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George, you've been through so much.
I don't wish this on anyone. Not--not anyone at all.
All right, this is new. Casey Anthony is speaking out
more than a decade after she was found not guilty
in the murder of her daughter, Caylee.
[Harris] After 15 years,
Casey Anthony has broken her silence with the release
of a documentary series.
She blames her father George for everything
and even implies that he molested
and killed her daughter Caylee.
She even alleges that he concealed Caylee's body
and masterminded the infamous 31 days when she was missing.
[voice breaking] I've gotten blamed
for something I didn't do, and it--
-I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside.
Desperate to clear his name,
George has agreed to take a polygraph test.
I've had a lot of things happen in my life.
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
People come by your house, and they threaten you.
They call you names.
[Harris] From hateful tweets to angry voice messages.
[woman] You killed her. You deserve to rot in hell,
and that's gonna happen soon.
[Harris] The stakes are higher than ever for Cindy and George.
If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive...
I couldn't live with him anymore.
I just feel that I really need to leave this world.
[Cindy] 'Cause I'm telling you,
if he blows all this, he can end up in jail.
-This is done. This is done. -Tony--
-I will not stand here... -Tony, did I...
...and--and you keep defending her.
If you have anything to do with Caylee's disappearance,
then the polygraph's gonna show that.
So, did you have any active involvement
in Caylee's disappearance?
♪
There are maybe just a handful of cases
that will always have the public's attention,
and if there are new developments in the story
in any way, shape, or form, people will be interested.
The tragedy all began back in the summer of 2008.
June 16th was the last day Caylee was seen alive.
One month later, Cindy Anthony frantically called 911
and reported her missing.
It didn't take long, but suspicions surrounded Casey
after she was caught lying to police
and was seen partying during the 31 days
of her daughter's unreported disappearance.
[officer] No more lies. What happened to Caylee?
-[Casey] I don't know. -You do know.
-What happened to Caylee? -I don't know where she is.
[Harris] Five months later, Caylee's remains are found
in a garbage bag dumped in the woods
just half a mile from the Anthonys' home.
[reporter] Florida grand jury indicted Casey Anthony
on charges of first degree murder,
aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter,
and four counts of lying to investigators.
[chanting] Justice for Caylee!
[Harris] Caylee's heartbreaking death ignited a media firestorm,
and millions tuned into Casey's televised trial.
[prosecutor, amplified voice] Caylee's death
allowed Casey Anthony to live the good life.
The prosecution argued that Casey grew tired of motherhood
and suffocated her daughter using chloroform and duct tape.
The defense claimed Caylee's death was an accident.
[defense attorney] She never was missing.
Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008,
when she drowned in her family's swimming pool.
The defense pointed the finger at George,
accusing him of molesting Casey.
[defense attorney] Sex abuse does things to us.
That will help you understand
why no one knew that her child was dead.
In a shocking turn of events...
[forewoman] We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty.
-[crowd shouting] -Casey Anthony was found
not guilty of first degree murder.
Now the latest twist.
In 2022, Casey Anthony dropped a bombshell with the release
of her documentary series, Where the Truth Lies.
This is the first time
Casey has told her side of the infamous story,
and she not only alleges that her father sexually abused her,
but also her young daughter.
You don't ever wanna see that happen to another kid,
especially not your own.
[Harris] Look, I understand why the Anthonys agreed
to take a polygraph test.
There is a lot at stake here.
They have to pass in order to clear their names.
♪
There are two huge areas of this polygraph for George--
whether or not he had anything to do
with the disappearance of his granddaughter, of Caylee,
and whether or not he abused his daughter and/or Caylee,
and Cindy has long been suspected
of helping to hide the truth of Casey's disappearance as well.
I'm watching all these things that you're doing right now,
and it's hurting our case.
It's--It's hurting it because people are looking at you,
and they're--they're seeing how you're changing the story.
We don't need that. We need to then look at you
and say, "This is a strong grandmother."
So, she will also be tested on whether or not
George told her anything about any involvement
he might have had in Caylee's disappearance.
George and Cindy have not watched Casey's documentary
and don't know the extent of the allegations
leveled against them.
♪
I wish the walls of that home where we're headed now...
♪
I wish those walls could talk.
♪
[Cindy] It's been 15 years since our ordeal, and, um,
it's taken a toll on both of us.
Back in 2018, George had his accident,
so life changed drastically.
[George] I broke my neck in an automobile accident.
I was driving one of our older vehicles.
The left rear axle came out,
and I ended up tumbling three times across the I-4.
♪♪
[Cindy] I spent a month up in Daytona with him
while he was going through rehab up there,
and I had to literally bathe him
and take care of him for months. Um...
I mean, there's some days I have a hard time walking,
but I really try to put forth the effort to get through.
'Cause number one is, I don't want her to
keep on worrying about me, which I know she does.
He's gotten to the point where he doesn't
wanna be out and about.
'Cause I'm afraid I'll embarrass her.
Something would happen.
♪
[Cindy] For me, it's very relaxing.
There's so many things I can get my hands into or do.
♪♪
Zoe, do you know what this is gonna be?
This is gonna be Harry. [gasps]
When we're all done, it's gonna be your brother.
♪
This used to be Casey's room,
and pretty much where Caylee spent most of her time.
♪
Being in this room does make me feel close to Caylee.
Um, I've got not just pictures of her,
but, you know, just memories of her being in here,
and she's always with you.
♪
This is where my memories are. This is where I raised the kids.
♪
Casey was three when we moved here.
Caylee was born here.
We've spent most of our married life here.
We've been married, what, 42 years?
42.
Our memories, as we get older, they tend to fade,
so when you look around, and you see the familiar thing,
it triggers it, and I have to hold on those memories.
This is why this house means a lot to me.
This is where we keep Caylee's ashes.
♪♪
Then I could put little things that remind me of her
inside the box,
and then, of course, have a picture of her.
And I always loved-- with her peeking out,
I mean, we captured her on camera so many times,
and I thought, this one just reminded me
of her in the kitchen in the morning.
After her bath in the morning, she'd come out,
and she'd want, you know, her cereal or whatever.
And, um, a lot of times afterwards,
she'd get under the high chair and play peekaboo with me.
So, that was one of my favorite pictures of her.
♪
[sighs]
♪
[voice breaking] I mean, the reason we picked cremation
is because she wasn't whole anymore, and, um...
I know she's in heaven, and I know she's looking down on us.
She's her--the guardian angel that keep--kept George alive
five years ago during his accident.
♪
[George] I've seen Caylee two times in this house
since she passed away.
The very first time, she was tapping.
I was laying in bed. She tapped me on the--
right on the forehead with her little fingers.
Said, "Jojo up, Jojo, up."
And it wasn't too much after that
I saw her one more time. It was just to let me know,
"Jojo, I love you. See you soon."
And she was gone.
No one could take that away from me.
♪
Well, in the beginning,
we had heard rumors that Casey might be doing something,
but I never thought that she would, because she had told me
that she was never going to exploit Caylee's name.
Well, when I saw that it was coming on,
I said, I'm not watching this crap.
And if this is what she wants to do, that's fine.
But as time went on, especially with, you know,
people now being hateful with accusations--
did George, uh, molest Casey? Did he molest Caylee?
And we were like, what the... You know...
-Sure did. I said that word. -What?
Where is this coming out of? And we thought, this is crazy.
So, you know, maybe we should address these, you know?
When her and I keep on really trying
to get our lives together,
have happiness in our lives, I'll get a text message--
something just so terrible to read.
Saying pedophile, "You effing this"
and Cindy is this and that.
That baby girl deserves justice,
and that won't happen until her grandfather,
who's a pedophile, is behind bars.
And it makes me think, why-- why can somebody believe her
but not believe us?
'Cause Casey-- she still is today.
She lies about everything.
I want to have a polygraph
because it's gonna prove one thing.
I never did anything to harm my daughter or my granddaughter.
♪
[knocks on door]
[Cindy] Nice to meet you, Mr. Harris.
[Harris] Thank you for having me in your home.
I was surprised to get the call that you were willing to talk
and that you were willing to talk to me. Thank you.
Uh, George, we're doing the polygraph examination
with you today in just a short period of time.
And, Cindy, you'll be taking one, too.
And I have to ask you both,
why--why do you wanna have this conversation?
The polygraph is gonna give me some satisfaction to know
that I did everything that I possibly could
to prove that, number one, I never assaulted
or hurt my daughter in any way,
and I certainly didn't do anything to my granddaughter.
-Cindy? -I want people to understand.
I want Casey to hear how we feel
about what she's said and what she's done.
And we're gonna get to the truth once and for all.
♪
[Harris] So, we're doing the polygraph today.
-Yes. -What if the results
aren't what you hope?
[sighs] I'll just feel that I really need to leave this world.
♪
I used to think I was very strong emotionally.
When we had this thing that changed our family,
I said, "Cindy," I said, "I have failed.
I have failed on being the guy that I should be."
Having a polygraph test--
that would be a validation that I am the guy who I used to be,
the guy that could be counted on to help a neighbor,
to love his wife, love my son.
Even at one time, I really loved my daughter.
But if I don't pass it, how can I stay around anymore?
I...I wouldn't wanna go on after this.
So, we've got an amazingly experienced examiner
who believes it's best performed
before you hear Casey's allegations.
[Cindy] Because of the emotions?
In short, yes. George, you will be asked
two sets of questions. -Yes.
The first will address the sexual abuse allegations,
and the second will address whether you were involved
in Caylee's disappearance in any way.
-So, if you're good with that? -Yes, sir, I am.
-I'm 100% ready to do it. -Cindy?
-Yes? -Yours will address whether
George told you anything about any involvement
he might have had in Caylee's disappearance.
-Sounds good. -Let's go.
[door creaks]
♪
[Harris] This looks like
a wonderfully peaceful neighborhood.
Now, what was this like when your neighborhood
had essentially been turned into a media encampment?
The worst part wasn't the media. It was the protesters.
[man] Baby killer!
[reporter] The yelling--harsh.
The signs--reading everything
from "Honk if you think she did it!"
[horn honks]
...to "Casey is a killer!"-- not much better.
[Cindy] The day that Casey was arrested,
the sheriff's department drove right up--
three vehicles on our front yard,
and they made a spectacle out of it on purpose.
[woman] Baby killer!
Within that first month, I had an anxiety attack.
-I got trapped by this reporter. -[siren whoops]
Well, I had never had any panic attacks in my life
prior to Caylee's disappearance.
And I developed post-traumatic stress disorder.
I had to go through years of therapy,
and it's taken a toll on both of us.
And forgive me for asking the most basic question,
but how are you two?
Oh, we've--we've had our moments.
[Cindy] We have good days and bad days. Um--
Yeah, that's for sure.
Listen, I understand
that everybody processes things differently.
George and I went through something very traumatic.
Our marriage was fine for the most part,
but when all this happened, we weren't on the same page
even trying to find Caylee and through the trial and all that.
But, I mean, every couple has things.
I take my vows very seriously.
We get comments from a lot of people.
How do you guys stay together?
And my response to them is, it's a daily struggle.
Every day when he says,
"I don't wanna be on this earth,"
and I said, "Is it because of me or what's happened?
He says, "It's all of it."
[Harris] Look, I'm just wondering,
what kind of effect do you think this polygraph
will have on your marriage?
♪♪
[Cindy] Um...I-I know.
I mean...if there's some inconclusive things,
I understand that.
I mean, I-I would, um...
be shocked if-- if he was deceptive on it.
That would lead to other conversations.
Well, yeah. I mean, yes.
[George] I understand that.
And if I thought that any of this was true,
believe me, we wouldn't be together.
♪
[Harris] Okay.
All right.
Uh, obviously, this is where the exam will take place.
Cindy, you and I are gonna go ahead of George
so that we can get set.
-The room can be set. -Okay.
Our examiner can get set, uh, and then you come on in,
and then it'll all begin, all right?
Yep. Good luck.
-Love you. -Love you, too.
Take you this way.
[sighs]
♪
Thank you.
There.
♪
[door creaks]
-Hey there. -Hello. How are you?
-Good to meet you, sir. -Good to meet you.
Come on in here. Just come around here.
My name is George Olivo.
All right. I'm a retired FBI special agent,
and I was a senior polygraph examiner
for the Los Angeles division of the FBI
from 2011 until I retired in 2020.
I just want you to know I'm not here to judge you today.
-I understand. -In fact, let's work together
and resolve it today. -That's what I'm hoping for.
-Yes. -All right. That means we gotta
be 100% honest with each other. Okay?
-Absolutely. -All right, perfect.
So, I recommended that Cindy and George
take their polygraph examinations
before they hear the allegations from--from their daughter Casey,
uh, because the allegations were very, very strong,
and it's going to cause a lot of emotions.
And at the end of the day, I'd like to have
the most accurate results possible
and not muddy the water
with allegations from their own daughter
before they take a test regarding those things.
George, I want to ask you about you.
Uh, on a scale of one to 10, you're a 10 on honesty, right?
-[George] I'm a 10. -You tell the--
You're not here to tell the truth
only when it's convenient, right?
No, not just what's convenient. No, 'cause--
So you're here to tell the truth all the time
and be a 10 for me today, right?
Yes. Because I, number one, I have to.
Got no reason to doubt you. But let's just be clear.
If you have anything to do
with Caylee's disappearance,
then the polygraph's gonna show that.
You can think of polygraph
as a fancy tape recorder.
Rather than recording the voice,
polygraph records physiology, what the body is saying,
to determine if the person's telling the truth or not.
If you've got nothing to hide from me today,
the exam's gonna show that as well.
Physiology are things like heart rate,
sweat gland activity, respiration,
the information that the body gives off
when it's reacting to a stimuli.
-Are you a little nervous? -[sighs]
Someone is being truthful,
then physiology ticks along normally,
and the diagnostic features
look kind of like a river just trickling along.
Doesn't change course. Keeps moving in the same direction.
When someone's deceptive, and they know it, they're lying,
the thought process is, oh, my gosh,
"What's gonna happen to me if I get caught? I know I did this,"
and so instead of a river, it looks more like a volcano.
How do you think you'll do on this exam regarding
Caylee's disappearance? -I hope I get a 10.
[sniffles], voice breaking] I would cry.
♪
I would probably fall down here, and I would cry.
Okay.
'Cause I've gotten blamed for something I didn't do.
-I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside.
I understand that.
The average accuracy rate
for polygraph is between 85 and 90%.
Because unlike the spoken word,
we say the physiology always tells the truth.
In other words, the body never lies.
If he's not telling the truth, he's not gonna pass.
He knows how important it is to be exonerated by this.
So, here's the thing about today, George.
I mean, I know that it's emotional and everything else.
But today's not about how much you're hurting.
Today is only about telling the truth.
♪
So, Casey has, uh, claimed that when she was young,
you came in the room and--and molested her.
So, there's two parts to this test.
They're like two sides of a coin.
Both sides are equally important.
So, the first side answers the question, did you do it?
The other part answers the question,
do you fit the profile of a person that would do that?
Well, the pre-test interview is where we discuss
all the issues, tell 'em everything they need to know.
Wanna try and keep that foot movement
to a minimum. -Yeah.
Try not to move your feet when you answer.
Don't try to convince me with your answer.
That's not necessary. Just soft-spoken "yes" or "no."
We have to make that decision during the pre-test.
Is this person suitable for testing? Are they lucid?
Are they able to sit through this test
and focus and pay attention?
You called yourself a 10 on the personal honesty scale,
and you didn't lie about that, right?
You didn't lie about that, right?
Yes. I mean, I didn't lie about it, no. I'm sorry.
-Okay. All right. -I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
You got me worried there for a minute.
During a legitimate exam, there are no surprises.
We actually go over every single question
so they know exactly what they're gonna be asked.
Because if they're not comfortable,
or they don't really understand what I'm getting at,
then we're not gonna have accurate results.
You've been married to Cindy now for how long?
-42 years. -Congratulations.
You have never cheated on Cindy?
No.
Even an-- even an emotional affair, right?
-I haven't. -Okay.
-I have not. -All right.
Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale?
-[Cindy] No. -[Olivo] Yes?
-Yes. -Yes.
No. When we were separated, he wanted to date.
I guess when you're separated, it doesn't count. I don't know.
How do you think he's feeling?
As long as he will take his time
and pay attention, he'll do fine.
If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive
about those critical questions-- -Those would be hard.
That would be like a mind-blowing type thing.
-That would require you to-- -[Cindy] Look at everything.
-To look at everything. -I think so.
It could mark the end of your relationship with him?
Yeah, it could.
♪♪
[Harris] So, George's first polygraph test focused
mainly on the allegation that he abused Casey,
and frankly, that's what I'd like to dive into now.
So, we're going to watch, uh, your daughter's
telling her version of events, her story.
And we'd agreed you'd watch this for the first time
after the polygraph
so that it wouldn't upset you and possibly impact the results.
♪♪
Um... but--but I'm sensing some tension
after yesterday's polygraph. -Yeah.
-Sure are. -And--
[Cindy] And they can change our life.
They can change our life. This is serious.
[Harris] You both ready to hear her allegations?
I want to go on as long as George feels comfortable.
I--this--that's...
Taylor, can we just angle this a little bit?
Just pull this side out a little
so George is this way instead of having it back?
You wanna see before we get started?
Okay, Erica, you don't even want to try it.
I'm not moving this. I'm not moving this.
I want to move him this way so that he can see.
I said, we can--can we try it?
I didn't say to do it. I said, can we try it?
[producer] Let's try it. Let's see what happens.
I'm not even getting any consideration.
I don't want to make this harder than it is,
and that's not very much.
I'm trying to help him
because if he blows all this, he can end up in jail.
I don't need Erica coming up here and saying,
"No, you can't do that and then... no."
♪
[sighs]
She wants to control all the time.
Cindy's very controlling. I'll admit that completely.
I'd rather have a wife that's controlling than the one
that just, "Okay, you do what you need to do."
I'd want someone to be strong.
Let's, uh... Let's try to start watching.
-[crew speaking indistinctly] -[sighs]
All right.
[crew member] All ready.
-Everybody set? Everybody ready? -[crew member] Yeah.
He's happy. I'm happy. We're good. I got ya.
I just want you to-- to take a deep breath.
Your daughter is suggesting, in pretty vivid detail,
the kind of dysfunction
that she says was a part of her upbringing.
I need you to brace yourself because the allegations
you're about to hear are pretty intense.
[clicks]
[Casey] My nightmare last night--
it was similar to other things that happened to me growing up.
[reporter] What was the nightmare last night?
My father was holding me down and raping me.
[under breath] Jesus Christ. Come on.
That happens again and again and again.
When I was eight years old,
my father started to come into my room at night.
I was physically hurt,
and I can't tell Mommy what happened.
She never called me "Mommy." She always called me "Mom."
She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told.
Wow.
You have any thoughts about watching her,
seeing her in this light, telling her version of events?
It hurts.
What she's saying is what you did to her...
I know.
...was so horrid that she repressed it.
Yeah, I know. It, uh...
It's a good fabrication on her part.
First thing is, I know she's lying. You know she's lying.
For all the years she lived in this house with us,
we were always...
happy with each other.
[Cindy] Hey, guys. I wanna get--oh!
♪
[all] ♪ Happy birthday to you
♪ Happy birthday to you
To hear her make comments about our family hurt me,
and I know it hurt him.
We were a loving family. Every family has ups and downs,
but we were always able to get through it.
Aw. He's cute.
-[George] Look at him. -[Cindy] Aw, that's a cave...
-That's a cavewoman. -[laughing]
I need a bigger room.
-Yeah, you do. Just for this. -[George] Yeah.
Thank you all very much.
I can't understand how someone
her and I brought into this world--
we did everything we could for her.
How could this have happened?
♪♪
Well, here's the thing, too.
There's no physical way for him
to have sexual intercourse three times,
three to four times a week in that room without hearing it.
How many feet from your bedroom to where Casey slept?
What, 30? And we always had our doors open.
Everybody knows how protective I am of my children.
I would have castrated him myself if I thought he did that.
♪♪
I look at her right now.
That's not the daughter
that I remember being here at this house.
♪♪
[Olivo] All right, so the test is about to begin.
Please remain still.
♪♪
Regarding sexual contact with Casey,
Do you intend to lie on this test?
No.
Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey?
No.
Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification?
♪
No.
♪
Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy?
♪
No.
I don't know what the experts say about body language,
but how do you feel about his body language?
[inhales deeply]
If George is uncomfortable, he'll fidget.
What's going on here?
Oh, just trying to figure out what to do with my hands.
[scoffs]
Stop moving your feet, George. It's way too much.
[whispers] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay.
♪
Uh, as an adult, have you ever had sexual contact with a minor?
No.
This part of the test is over. Please remain still.
We're gonna have to do it a few times.
-Yes. I'm ready to go. -[Olivo] You're okay with that.
-All right. -Yes, sir.
Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification?
-No. -So, on the polygraph exam,
there's a lot of redundancy built into the protocol.
So, we ask the same questions several times.
Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy?
-No. -And we come up with basically
a pattern of truthfulness or a pattern of deception.
Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale?
[George] Yes.
Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey?
♪
No.
[Harris] George's first test wasn't--
really wasn't just about whether or not he abused Casey.
This is crucial, because what Casey says
is that the abuse didn't stop with her.
I'm going to show you a clip from your speech at the funeral.
I stand here today,
proud to be the grandfather of Caylee Marie Anthony,
who not only meant the world to me,
but meant the world to my family
and so many of you that never got a chance
to actually hug her, smell her hair,
smell the sweet sweat when she came in from outside.
Are you [bleep] kidding me?
[George] To hear her call me "Jojo,"
I miss that... kiss on the cheek,
that special hug that I tell everyone,
it's so great to get a hug from someone,
but to get a hug from a small child,
that gives me energy like you couldn't imagine.
Oh, I see where she's goin'.
Do you see what she's going at, George?
Yeah.
[voice breaking] That's not normal.
Nothing about that is [bleep] normal! [cries]
You're outright telling the world
that you're a pedophile!
Wow, Casey.
I'm just a little confused.
Uh, this whole statement about the sweet smell of sweat.
♪
When I said I smelled her hair
and that sweet sweat that she had, I did.
It was just the truth in my heart,
how I felt about my granddaughter.
Whenever our granddaughter would be outside,
when you got a chance to hold her,
and she would give hugs that were just so fantastic,
you would smell just a gentle...
[sighs]
What am I supposed to do, push my granddaughter away
and say, "You stink"?
I felt great to get that hug from her
and have that with me,
but for her to call me what she just called me--
A pedophile.
Yeah. That was never in my physicality or my brain.
You meant you loved hugging your kids when they were little.
I did.
You love hugging your granddaughter.
But as Casey's writing the narrative...
-You're right. -I see where she
is going to use that against you.
[Harris] Is this the first time you've heard this suggestion
that you were molesting your granddaughter?
Oh, this right here?
Yeah, it's the first--first time I've heard this.
Wow. Did you molest Caylee?
Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
So, this is--this is another allegation against you.
Certainly is.
♪
I wanna dig into this just a little bit more.
You mind if I take him out on the patio?
-[Cindy] Oh, that's fine. -Okay.
[George] You know, it's very, very hard for a guy
who always loves his children,
did everything I could for them,
but to know that I can't see her anymore.
I've said that a few times in the past,
but that's the truth now.
But she's not a part of my family.
I'm sitting here as a father, and I--and--and I'm wondering
what the hell that was like for you,
hearing all of those allegations.
Is there a kernel of truth to any of the allegations
she's leveling against you?
-None. -None?
None.
All I really know is...
[scoffs]
[sighs]
I can't really say I'm gonna survive this moment.
If I die, uh, I know when I die, I know where I'm going.
I don't think Casey's gonna be going in that same place.
I don't--I don't believe that.
Either you're lying, or she's lying.
Well...
And results are coming back.
[sighs]
[Olivo] Okay, so, George, let's take a break, okay?
So, we're done with this portion, okay?
-Okay. -I'm gonna go ahead and, uh,
take the components off of you
because you've been sitting a while.
Feels tense to me. I don't know how you feel, but gosh.
[Harris] So, George has one more exam to go.
[Olivo] Perfect. Let me get that cuff for you.
[Harris] But he's gonna get a bit of a break,
and you'll take your test now.
[sighs] Okay.
[George, strained voice] Oh.
♪
Okay, Cindy, it's your turn in the chair.
[laughs]
-We're gonna get through this. -Honey, I know you are.
-Yeah. -I know you are.
[clears throat]
[Olivo] All right, Cindy, you can go ahead and have a seat
and, uh...now I just wanna ask you a couple of questions
about you, all right, to get to know you a little bit better,
make sure that you're fit to take the test today, okay?
How much sleep did you get last night?
Maybe four hours. [sighs]
Feel rested enough to be focused right now?
-Yeah, I believe so. -Okay. Good. Good.
And medications? You--You said you take blood pressure meds?
I take blood pressure medicine,
and I take anxiety medicines.
I have anxiety issues since all of this happened.
-Sure. -I have gone through
post-traumatic stress, um, treatments.
Okay. In terms of you being in control, uh, functional,
how would you rate your mental health on a scale of one to 10?
With this Casey stuff,
I lost control a couple times with her.
-Mm-hmm. -Not where I hurt her.
-Yeah. -But I put her on the floor
and sat on her. -Mm-hmm.
So, you lost it.
Well, I mean, I yelled at her.
I wanted to shake her, but I didn't.
-So--So--So, hold on. -So I mean, she's lying,
so my frame of mind is--
Slow down. Hey, slow down, Cindy.
-Right. -I'm asking you...
-Right. -...about your mental health,
and you're getting way ahead of me here, okay?
-Okay-- -How do you feel mentally,
in terms of being in control on a daily basis?
I--on a daily basis, I feel in control.
You are. Okay.
-That's all I asked you so far. -But it's--right.
[Olivo] When's the last time you saw Casey, your daughter?
[Cindy] The last time I physically saw her was in 2016,
the day that my father died.
She came, and she spent the whole evening with me
and the next day. -How was that?
'Cause he had passed in the morning. It was fine.
I mean, her and I were on good terms.
-We were chatting all the time. -So, what happened?
♪♪
[Harris] So at this point, so far,
most of the focus has been on George.
But, Cindy, I've got to tell you,
people have long suspected
that you have been hiding the truth as well.
I know there are allegations that she makes
about your relationship and your nature.
Casey's about to point the finger directly at you.
I don't know. She's such a liar. It's in her DNA now.
I wanna see her attached to a lie detector test.
[remote clicks]
What you have to realize about my mom when I was younger,
she was extremely controlling.
She tried to make sure I dressed as young as I possibly could,
to look as young as I possibly could.
It's not just feeling like my mom wanted to keep me a child.
I feel like she was trying to...
yes, keep me from being a sexual being.
Wow. Wow.
Yeah. So...
you were a willing participant in the lie.
Yeah. We talked about me being a little obsessive-compulsive
and keeping the house right
and making sure the kids' clothes were pressed,
'cause I did iron their clothes for 'em.
But it's not about lying about her being sexually abused
or trying to be a perfect family.
She's telling me she's being raped by my husband,
but I won't let her be a little girl.
Now, am I grooming her for her dad?
I don't understand all that.
We've got albums of seeing how she looked.
You can see that I didn't dress her as a three-year-old
when she was 16.
[Cindy] Turn around, darlin'. Say hello.
-Hello. -You look beautiful.
Thank you.
Lookit. Casey's on stilts tonight.
I'm gonna break my neck.
Aw, look at how beautiful that little smile is.
-Don't--Don't smooch her... -[laughs]
-...and mess up her... -I'm not.
...her little bit of--
You're gonna mess up the makeup.
-I was-- -...or her hair.
[Harris] Let me ask you this. Do you know Caylee's dad?
I have no clue.
First, she blamed her boyfriend, Jesse.
And then after we find out from a paternity test,
it's not Jesse, then she tells me
that it's somebody else who's died in a car accident.
-The story is changing. -Story is constantly changing.
[reporter] How did you get pregnant with Caylee?
I was raped at 18.
Raped at 18?
[reporter] Did you report it to the police?
-No. -Why not?
I wasn't sure anyone would believe me.
Oh, my... I never heard that.
First person that I would have told would have been my mom.
And would she have believed me?
Would she have blamed me?
[Harris] What's your reaction to...
Wow.
...that the pregnancy was a result of the rape?
Maybe she was raped, but why wouldn't she tell me?
She told me when she had sex for the first time,
and did I yell at her? No. We sat on the bed. I hugged her.
I was her buddy. We were best friends.
♪
My.
♪♪
Casey has left me cards and stuff over the years.
I pulled out most of 'em after... after.
"Truly blessed to have the two of you in my life.
I would have nothing without you."
And she signs it, "Love, Casey Marie."
Mm-hmm.
And this one--
"Words can't describe how grateful I am for you
and all that you have done.
You have given me so many things to be thankful for.
You are such a great mother and now grandmother,
but most importantly, such a great friend."
[voice breaking] "I have you to thank
for all of my happiness and all my success.
I thank God every day for having you in my life.
I love you, Mom. I'm so proud to be your daughter."
I hadn't read this one lately,
so that was right after Caylee was born.
I was her friend besides mother,
and that's what I always thought.
♪
Well, that's--that's pretty heartbreaking.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then I... She--She got very hateful.
"I'm going to once again ask to come and retrieve
my daughter's ashes, as well as more of her property
and anything else of mine that's still in your house."
And I text back, "Sorry,
but there is nothing here for you to pick up.
I'm not parting with her ashes.
That's all you gave me of her in the end.
I'm not trying to be mean, but that's how I feel."
This is her response, and this is the ugliest thing ever.
"Stay with your murderous, adulterous, rapist husband.
You don't deserve any part of her,
and you will never again have any part of me.
You choose your husband
over both your grandchild and your children.
Biggest mistake of your life.
I will be there to pick up my daughter's ashes
when you're dead.
Thank you for the ri--reminder of who you really are.
Goodbye. I won't ever reach out again."
It--I-I was so upset, I-I had to text her back.
"Your father didn't touch you or Caylee.
You need help. How dare you?
Don't ever say that I don't deserve any part of her.
I fought for her when you put her in the woods
to rot and be eaten by animals and insects.
Live with that."
And then...
I text her the images of Caylee's remains in the woods.
I said, "This is what was left of Caylee when you--
when found, scattered all over the woods on Suburban.
You put her there."
♪
I had always said she could have Caylee's ashes after I pass,
but now I don't want her to have 'em, period.
I will make sure I spread 'em somewhere before...
before I pass,
because she doesn't deserve them.
So, now there's no hope of any reconciliation
between not just with George,
but now with me because of the blow-up that we had.
And she thinks, "No longer can
I have a relationship with my mom.
So, now I can just let it all go,
say what a bitch she is and how controlling she was."
You know, it all fits into her narrative now
to make her look like the victim instead of...
-Instead of... -...what she really is,
Which is?
Responsible for whatever happened to Caylee.
I still don't know the truth.
Do you believe your daughter knows what happened to--
Yes, I believe 100%.
And I kept hoping upon hope that she would confess.
[voice breaking] And that's the only reason I've been
put myself through all of her drama and everything.
-Absolutely. -Absolutely correct.
Since June 16, 2008,
Caylee has been my number one priority
as far as what happened to her and getting her back.
I lost Casey and my granddaughter that day,
but Caylee was always the priority.
Caylee's always been the priority.
That's been my focus and goal the whole time,
is to find out the truth
and to sit here and listen to her
keep making different stories as it fits...
♪♪
I'm having a hard time. I'm having a panic attack.
I'm sorry. [crying]
-Okay.
-I'm sorry. -No, that's fine.
[Cindy gasping]
♪
[Cindy crying shakily]
[Cindy exhaling deeply]
-[Cindy exhales deeply] -Okay.
[exhales deeply]
[sighs]
All right, Cindy, you can go ahead, have a seat, and, uh,
I'm gonna ask you some questions,
then obviously to get to know you a little better
so that the questions mean something to you.
How much sleep did you get last night?
Maybe four hours.
Feel rested enough to be focused right now?
-Yeah, I believe so. -Okay, good, good.
Now, you've been married to George out there for how long?
-42 years we've been married. -Wow.
-42 and a half years. -Congratulations.
Thank you.
Uh, not too many people can say that.
So, how would you rate your relationship with George,
your husband, on a scale of one to 10?
One, horrible--you fight all the time, and 10 is perfect.
Probably a six or seven.
Six or seven? Okay.
-It's never been perfect. -Okay.
We were not on the same page for quite a while.
[Olivo] Okay.
[Cindy] You know, during this whole thing.
Did putting your marriage at a six to seven hurt?
[George] Yeah, it does.
But then again, that's--that's just her.
What is the biggest disagreement that you and George have had
regarding this--this whole issue with Casey and Caylee?
He thinks Casey may have drugged Caylee.
And that came from the sheriff's department.
-I believe he was brainwashed. -Into thinking that?
Into thinking that
because the sheriff's department tried to do it with me,
[laughs] and I was... -Yeah.
Like, there was no evidence of it.
You wouldn't have it.
So, what do you think? What was your theory then?
Prior to trial, Jose, her attorney,
called me in, wouldn't tell me why. Just me.
He goes, "Casey wants you to know how Caylee died."
And he grabbed me 'cause he knew I was probably gonna faint.
And he goes, "She drowned in the pool."
[voice breaking] And I said,
"What the hell did she put us through all this?
What the heck? If it was an accident,
we could have taken care of her right then and there."
He goes, "I have to explain away her actions.
Someone has to take the fall for it," and he said,
"It's gonna have to be George.
No one else will believe anything," and I looked at him
and I said, "You're not doing anything to George."
Why do you believe she believes that account and not yours?
[scoffs]
She just believes Casey more than she does me.
She just does.
Because I-I know one thing.
I don't believe anything that J-J-Jose Baez ever said.
I still believe that Caylee was given some kind of drug
to go to sleep 'cause I feel she wanted
to be out having fun with her friends.
You know how hard it was for me to go
in front of the grand jury?
They kept on asking me the same kind of questions.
The--Who do you believe is-- is responsible? Casey.
No matter what happened-- drowning, giving her something--
And you said that before the grand jury?
I most certainly did, sir.
I most certainly did. I didn't pull any punches.
I will go probably to my grave always believing
that Casey harmed Caylee.
♪
Look, the burning question has always been,
what happened to Caylee on the day she disappeared?
This is extremely important for George and I.
This is what we had disagreed upon
for the last 15 years.
Casey has a completely new version
of what happened on the day Caylee disappeared,
and it all starts with George waking her up
and with Caylee nowhere to be found.
[Casey] They came back around towards the front porch.
He's standing there with her.
She's soaking wet.
♪
I can see him standing there with her in his arms
and hand her to me
and telling me that it's my fault, that I did that,
that I caused that,
and I just collapsed with her in my arms.
Casey knows CPR. I made her take classes.
He takes her from me,
and he immediately softens his tone
and tells me "It's gonna be okay,"
that she was going to be okay.
That's what he said to me.
[sniffles] I wanted to believe him
because I wanted her to be okay.
She can say that so easy.
And, George, you're hearing this
from your daughter's mouth for the first time.
-That did not friggin' happen. -Does that make sense
to any rational person, any sane person?
You would hand off a lifeless baby soaking wet
and not attempt to... -"Here. You take care of her."
-I don't do that kind of stuff. -...do something, plus...
Yeah. -...George knew CPR
from the sheriff's department.
-He was certified. -But, George, you would know,
wouldn't you? -[George] Oh, absolutely.
-He was certified in CPR. -And it was child--
You better start speaking up for yourself.
-Well, I'm fine. -This is all coming down on you.
-I know it is. -And--And if you've got
information that refutes this,
you need to speak up for yourself.
Well, I understand that. Everything I know
that Casey is saying right there is a lie.
But I'm gonna tell you something.
I don't believe that our daughter...
could leave her daughter in my arms, soaking wet.
That does not compute in my life.
It will never compute in my life.
I may wear this theme out.
-Wear it out. -But I--Okay.
What is the nugget of truth in this story
of what happened that day
based on the story she's telling us?
The first nugget of truth was Casey woke up...
♪
...couldn't find Caylee, so that means she was distracted,
didn't know where Caylee was at.
She finds her in the pool, lifeless, panics.
The reason she brings George into it is because
who did Jose say he was gonna throw under the bus
to save Casey's life from the death penalty
and life in prison?
George, based on the fact--
Because this is what she's saying in her own words now.
There's no--There's no Jose Baez sitting next to her.
Right, but Jose is the one that put the idea in her head.
Why is she--she is acquitted.
She doesn't have to tell the story.
Do you see what I'm saying? So, why is she--
Yeah. No, I think Casey has thought
about that over the years... -And created it
...and she created it in her mind to cope...
With?
...with Caylee's drowning on her watch.
Does that sound reasonable to you?
It does sound reasonable. Reasonable.
But that's the nugget of truth, George.
I understand that, but also with me being out there
and bringing Caylee in to give her to her,
that's a really big f-fabrication,
'cause it did not friggin' happen that way.
[voice breaking] It did not happen that--
I don't believe that--Oh.
How many times I will hear, well, she drowned in the pool.
She drowned in the pool. People wanna say that.
You wanna say it, that's fine. I know what my feelings are.
I-I know what I saw, and evidence. I saw it.
-Let me stop him right there. -Okay, fine.
-No, listen, listen-- -You know something?
-This--This is over for me. -No, George--
This--This is done. This is done.
-Tony--Tony-- -I will not...
Tony, did I--
...stand here, and--and you keep defending her. She is no--
-I'm not--I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are.
-Tell him I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are.
-But I-- -Yes, you are.
-Can I-- -Can I just--
-Can I--Can I... -Yes.
...suggest what the bridge is? Can I tell--
Can I suggest what the bridge is?
It's him not listening to what I said.
I have no idea how what you said,
and maybe even the way you said it, impacted him.
But the three of us have got to work together
if we're gonna get through this. -Right.
Because there's still a piece of this allegation
that you haven't heard, and it's big.
The lead investigator of Casey's defense team,
Pat McKenna, sat down with Casey.
Uh, I want you both to have a look.
We never discussed this, but when he abused you,
was there... anything that he did that
you would make you think he did that to Caylee
to cause the accident? -[Casey] Absolutely.
-Yeah. -Absolutely.
If I didn't want to or if I said no...
[sighs and sniffles]
he'd put a pillow over my face
and he'd smother me to knock me out.
[McKenna] That could be the accident.
[Casey] Possible. [cries]
This stitched-together allegation now,
is that you may have smothered Caylee
while abusing her sexually
and made it look like a drowning to cover it up.
Do you wanna say anything to that?
That's a lie.
That is a lie. I would never do that.
I haven't done that.
It's not in my brain to do anything like that
to my daughter, but especially my granddaughter.
Oh, my gosh. That's... That's one of the cruelest things
I have ever been accused of in my life.
-The cruelest, yes. -It is. It's...
Why is the daughter the two of you raised
making the cruelest accusation against her father?
♪♪
So, I'm gonna tell you about polygraph, what it is
and how it works. It's based on the autonomic nervous system,
that fight or flight response... -Right.
...you know about. The same phenomenon,
that fight or flight response, occurs when someone tells a lie.
And it's the perception of jeopardy,
of getting caught in a lie. So, you said that you're,
you know, painfully honest, right?
-I call people out. -So, on a scale of one to 10,
you're a 10 on honesty, right?
-I tell the truth all the time. -Okay.
-It's important. -Okay.
Unless it's in someone's best interest... [laughs]
Like, if it's, you know...
To me, that's not a-a... an untruthful lie. It's just a--
It's a truthful lie.
♪
So, this whole time when Caylee was missing.
and everybody was frantic, looking for her,
the whole idea, or the whole questioning here,
has to do with if George knew anything about it.
My question is here, if George ever told you
anything about him being involved
in Caylee's disappearance. -No.
-If there was any inkling... -Right.
...I would have alerted the sheriff's department.
Even covering up what happened to her,
even if it was an accident, is still a crime.
As you look at her here, are you anxious?
Are you nervous? Are you confident?
I'm anxious for this to get done for her.
Yeah.
Okay, so the test is about to begin.
Please remain still.
Regarding George, confirming his involvement
in Caylee's death, do you intend to lie on this test?
No.
Did George ever confirm
that he was actively involved in Caylee's death?
No.
Did George ever confirm
that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance?
No.
Did George ever say that he knew where Caylee was
while she was missing?
No.
This part of the test is over. Please remain still.
Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff,
all the stuff she's been through
with me, with our daughter.
[Olivo] All right, go ahead and recover, Cindy.
So, I'm gonna go ahead and analyze the data.
I think I have enough here, okay?
And then we'll get the results to you...
-Okay. -...uh, in a couple of days.
I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, you can't...
I... You can't change what you know or you don't know.
[Olivo] Exactly.
-She's all done. -[Olivo] Thank you.
-I think so, yeah. -Yeah.
Feel free to stand up whenever you're ready.
-[groans] -So you can stretch your legs.
-I'm stiff. -I know. I know it hurts.
[Cindy sighs heavily]
[Harris] For 31 days after her daughter's death,
Casey admits to hiding this tragedy from everyone,
including the authorities.
But there have long been these theories
that other people, other parties
were involved in the concealment of the crime as well.
This is another chapter in this story.
This is, in some ways, the most compelling part
of the story for me, these 31 days.
That is the next portion that I wanna take apart...
-[Cindy] Okay. -...in some detail.
Now we're at a place where Casey is telling
an entirely different story about the events of those days.
-Yeah. -[Casey] During the 31 days,
I genuinely believed that Caylee was still alive.
My father kept telling me she was okay.
I just had to keep following his instructions.
-What a good actress you are. -She is an actress.
[George] She can get an Academy Award for this one.
What's in her head, in her heart,
where she could say something like that?
When someone can't deal with themselves,
with what they did, they project it
onto someone else or make excuses.
I mean, come on, girl. She's...
She can't keep her story straight.
If I'm to believe your daughter, you gave her instructions
on how to behave in those 31 days.
-Did you speak to her? -No, I did not.
-Did you text her? -No, I did not.
Did you receive a text from her?
No, I did not.
How did you receive any information
about your daughter during these 31 days?
Through Cindy. Cindy told me that she had talked to Casey.
Everything is good, uh, Caylee's fine,
blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff.
So, I believed each time she told me.
So, you were in touch with her.
Yeah, I talked to her almost every day,
and I told the sheriff's department that.
They had our phone records.
They could verify if she talked to her dad or to me.
So, I-I called more for Caylee than I did for Casey.
A month is a long time not to see your granddaughter
who lived with you for almost three full years.
And--And the problem that many people in the public
have with you during this period is that you--you appear
to be very accepting of what your daughter was--
-But I wasn't. -It sounded that way publicly.
Can you acknowledge that, that it--
Because publicly, during all this time,
they didn't know what I did.
They didn't know that I called every day.
They didn't know that I hounded her brother,
"Have you seen your sister?"
Think the other thing you didn't do was call the authorities...
-But why-- -...that my--
-Okay. -..."that my daughter
and my granddaughter are missing,"
and, George, you didn't either.
So, I'm just saying, in my time with you,
you don't strike me as a woman who would accept that.
-How did we get the 31 days? -Okay, but why would I call?
Okay, think about it.
21-year-old mother with her-- her own baby.
Casey told me Caylee was fine.
Her story is that she dropped the baby off at the babysitter--
Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, who does not exist.
Why am I gonna call the authorities
and say, "Hey, Casey's in Jacksonville,
won't bring my granddaughter home so I can see her"?
They're gonna think I'm frickin' nuts.
So, I think I behaved pretty dang-on...
-Okay. -...reasonable.
[Cindy] I mean, who's the truthful one in this house?
Who is?
Now is the time where I need to tell you. We need to focus.
We need to focus on the right thing.
We don't need to focus on creating stories,
changing testimonies, changing what we said. We have all--
I'm not changing anything I ever said.
We are focusing on trying to find Caylee.
That's it. That's all.
[Harris] People have always suspected you
of lying to protect Casey,
but Casey says that George was behind all of it, so...
so I'm wondering if you might have been lying
to protect him as well.
[exhales deeply]
Pretty soon here, we'll have the results of the polygraph.
It's wrapped for-- for Cindy right now.
You wanna head over now and get set up for your final test?
♪♪
[Olivo] Okay, so let's go through these questions, then.
[sighs] So, one of the questions, uh, that comes up
is--has to do with Caylee's,
obviously, her disappearance.
And so, when I ask you about actively
causing the disappearance,
what I mean is that you physically did something
to move her or hide her or something like that, right?
So, the question I'll ask you on the test will be,
did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance?
-How would you answer that? -No.
Okay, very good. Another question similar to that is, uh,
did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts?
No. I mean, I... I didn't know where she was at.
Correct. That's all I'm asking. So, the question again--
did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts?
♪♪
No.
Okay, so you're struggling with that one a little bit.
Tell me why.
Maybe it's because I-I...
it was so close to our house... -Yeah.
-...that she was found. -Right.
-Um... -But think about the times
you went out looking for her. -Yes.
Did you know where she was that whole time?
-No. -Are you sure?
I-I didn't know where she was at.
-Okay. That's all I'm asking. -I did not know.
That's all I'm asking you.
Okay, George? Kind of pull it together.
I just was v-visualizing the-- the woods at the moment.
-I'm sorry. -You--The what?
-The woods where she was found. -Yes. Yes.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[Olivo] Okay, you're gonna have to compartmentalize.
-Okay. -Right now,
as you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts?
Did I conceal her whereabouts?
♪♪
[stammers]
I did not know where she was at.
[Olivo] Okay, so why are you struggling with that?
♪
[sighs] Oh, man.
As you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts?
Did I conceal her whereabouts?
♪
[stammers]
I did not know where she was at.
Okay, so why are you struggling with that?
♪
[sighs] Oh, man.
-Tell me why. -I-I mean--
I'm happy to modify the question if I have to...
I'm--I'm--I'm--
...but I need to know why you're struggling.
I did--I did not know where Caylee was at.
All you gotta do is say no, then.
I have no reason to doubt you at this point.
If someone stumbles on a question during the test,
once we've already discussed it and explained it,
and they say they're okay with it,
and they still stumble on it, at first, I'm gonna assume
that they're just nervous
or that they just didn't understand or hear me properly.
Uh, but if they continue to struggle with it,
then we have to talk about it some more.
There may be an issue there.
♪
George, I...I'm wondering about this one moment
in--in the run-up to the actual test,
there was a question about concealment.
-You remember that question? -Yes.
There seemed to be either some...a lack of clarity,
confusion on your part.
It wasn't that I didn't understand the question.
It's just that I just was overthinking some stuff
in that moment. -Yes.
In that moment that... I'm almost ready to cry,
I stumbled for a moment 'cause I was visualizing
where Caylee was at or where she was found.
Who put her there?
Why am I being blamed? 'Cause I didn't do it.
I've always blamed myself from day one that I didn't--
I was the one that's supposed to find my granddaughter.
I didn't find her.
You felt you were the one who was supposed to find her.
I was supposed to, yes.
I was supposed to be the one to find her, and...
But that has nothing to do with concealment, George.
You understand where they're going with this?
-Yeah, I understand. -[stammers]
The concealment question is an easy yes or no.
Either you had something to do with it or not.
So, for you to be confused about concealment all--
after all this time, it's either a yes or a no.
So, this ends up being very important,
because we're going to get results...
-Yeah. -...soon.
-[Cindy] You know? -Are you frustrated right now?
[Cindy] I'm frustrated!
It should have been an easy one to answer,
and I don't know why he's struggling now.
I remember Casey saying she just wanted to see this
all just not be here, she would not talk about it.
She would do nothing about it for--
Stop for one second. Answer his question.
That's not what he's asking you.
And I'm gonna walk away for a second,
because if he can't focus on that,
then you're not in a good mindset today to do a taping,
and we need to get this done.
And you're the one that wanted to do this.
But I know he's gonna regret all of this later on.
You think about it, because I don't wanna...
George, talk to me for a second. What are you feeling?
I feel, uh, very... Okay.
I don't wanna say the word "hatred."
I feel right now I don't...
I'm having a hard time liking her.
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[Harris] All right, George, let's go for a ride.
You lead the way.
I pulled you aside because I...
I just have a sense... [clears throat]
that you need to be heard.
I'm just having issues with Cindy. I-I don't... [sighs]
I'm having issues ever since this stuff happened.
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Cindy wants to control the situation.
No matter how much it hurts me, how much it bothers me.
She don't check on me like how I feel about a situation.
And I just....
Every time I try to talk to her about it, I have to get loud.
I have to get away from her. I have... It's...
She doesn't understand it.
She wants to be combative with me.
I don't want to be combative anymore. I can't take it.
It's... It... It hurts too much.
I don't know where to go anymore.
I don't know where to go.
When you say you don't know where to go,
do you want to leave? -Yes.
[Harris] Is your marriage going to survive this?
No, I don't think so.
There's many, many times over these last few years
that Cindy and I have talked
about getting away from each other.
How much of your lives,
even now, all these years later,
is still consumed by this story, your daughter,
your granddaughter, and what happened?
On a percentage basis, I think it's really close to 100%.
-What?! -Like 99%.
-What?! -Yeah. Oh, yeah.
-On a daily basis? -Mm-hmm. Most definitely.
Look at every time you walk around the house,
there's--there's a memory of something.
Would you mind if we go
to the area where Caylee's remains are found?
One street you followed all the way down,
turn left, you turn right.
It went down about a hundred yards on the right-hand side.
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There were so many adults that came here,
and they would pray.
There used to be people row after row, car after car.
People would be over here.
There could be a couple hundred people here at one time.
But how can I tell people, "Don't go down there"?
We've tried.
I've been on the local news trying to keep people away.
Some would suggest that you want the memory of...
of this to go away.
Caylee--Caylee isn't here. She's not here.
-Do you ever come-- -There's times I wished
I was here, you know, instead of her.
-What? -I did.
If I could call--talk to God right now and say,
"Listen, send Caylee back here to be with her Grammy."
I'd rather have God... God take me.
I tried to almost take my own life because of it.
I so much wanted to be with her.
She meant everything to me. To me.
I know she meant everything to Cindy, too.
But we showed our affection in different ways,
I guess, for her.
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And, George, what would you say to people who hear you
talk about your love for your granddaughter,
who then say, "You know, that's a bit much.
That's a bit-- That's almost a bit creepy"?
Well, you know, they're not the ones that would have to walk
every single day on stuff that I've been through,
to being called... [chuckles]
different things that I've been called to my face. I--
What have you been called?
Pedophile, number one.
That's just a touch of it.
Well, brother, I hope, uh... [sighs]
you can find some-- some peace at some point.
You good, George? You ready to get started?
-I am ready to get started, yes. -Very good.
So, again, we're gonna do it a few times, George.
So, don't be alarmed when I say we're gonna do it again.
That doesn't mean there's anything wrong.
Okay.
It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong.
There's just redundancy built into the protocol.
I'm not here to accuse you of anything. We're here--
Don't think of this, George, as a lie detector.
Think of it as a truth verifier.
I understand.
And we're trying to keep emotions out of it.
-And that's hard sometimes. -And it is very hard.
I know it's easier said than done,
but, I mean, if you want, you know, accurate results,
then somehow-- somehow you have to do that.
If you'd like to ask me again, I'll be more than glad to...
-Okay. -...correctly.
All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still.
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What would you believe,
if, in these key areas of the exam,
George comes back as being untruthful?
[stammers] That would be life-changing for me.
I... If... If I thought he had anything to do with this,
and I went through all this, and he was a part of it...
I couldn't live with him anymore.
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All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still.
Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance?
No.
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Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts?
No.
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Don't move your feet when you answer.
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Did you ever harm your daughter, Casey, when she was a child?
No.
You stop moving your feet, George.
-I-I-I-- -It's gonna affect you, George.
I'm asking you to stay focused on what we're doing.
It's your test, George. It's your test.
I know, and I'm screwing it up.
Did you place Caylee's body in the ground?
No.
Okay, this part of the test is over. Please remain still.
Okay.
Okay, George, go ahead and recover.
That means you can move.
Okay, great. Take a quick break. You need some water?
Sorry if I'm shaking a little bit.
I just have an issue with my, uh,
-Yeah. -...left hand and stuff
from my accident. -Okay. Yeah.
-Yeah, it does move a bit. -Yeah.
And then your feet, too, right? Try and keep those feet still
when you answer. -Okay.
[Olivo] Okay. Appreciate that.
All right. Let me know when you're ready.
-We'll do it again. -I'm ready, sir.
Okay.
Okay, the test is about to begin.
Please remain still.
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Regarding Caylee's disappearance,
do you intend to lie during this test?
No.
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There were people at the center of the story
who you love desperately.
Someone, or both of them, are not telling the truth.
Right. I mean, you can love someone,
and sometimes they disappoint you.
But to me, that's beyond disappointment.
-Yeah. -That's betrayal.
Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts?
No.
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Okay, so the test is over.
I'm gonna review the data.
-Get back with you... -Yes, sir.
...uh, with the results. Any questions for me about this?
-Uh, no, sir. I'm... -You feel all right?
Those... [sighs] what-- questions you're asking me,
that is a very...
This is really hard, especially when you know that
never got a chance to see my granddaughter again.
It's... It's... It's hard.
I know. I know. Yeah.
A matter of fact, I've had family tell me,
"Oh, you should just go on with your life. Forget about it."
-You can't forget. -[Olivo] Of course not.
And there's some days I remembered very vividly.
Other ones maybe not as much, but I always wanted to be just
known as a good guy. That's all I ever, ever wanted in my life.
This is not the way I thought my life was ever going to be.
Never did.
She tells me things sometimes that hurt.
I understand why she does.
Since his accident, he's...
talks about not wanting to be around.
He wants to be with Caylee and stuff like that.
-But he's-- -Why does he think that way?
Well, he feels like after the accident,
he's not strong anymore, he's less of a man,
and he feels like he's let me down.
And I said, you haven't let me down.
I said, you let me down. If you do something stupid.
I got the best person, my wife, to keep things stable.
She tells me things sometimes that hurt,
but I understand why she does.
[Olivo] Yeah. Tells you what you need to hear.
Yes, sir.
Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff--
all the stuff she's been through.
So, uh, you know, we'll look--
I'll look at the data. I think it's--it's clean enough
to where we can, uh, make some-- make some calls here,
get back with you... -Yes, sir.
...uh, with the results, uh, at a later date. Okay?
[sighs] Oh, man.
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[Harris] Cindy? George?
-[George] Hey, sir. -Hey. How are ya?
-Thank you for coming. -Yeah, of course.
-Thank you. -Uh, big day.
-Yes. -Results day.
-Yes. -You ready?
-I'm ready. -You are?
-Okay. -Yes, I'm ready.
-I wanna get this over with. -George?
Yes. I'd like to get some answers.
Okay, well, then let's head inside.
Waiting for the results has been hard for George and I.
But the fact that he could be untruthful,
it's the most unthinkable thing.
Before we get the results,
I just want all of us to sort of understand why we're here.
You both understand that there is
a high degree of reliability to this test.
Right. I'm ready. I've, you know, I'm--
-[Harris] For the results? -I'm ready for the results.
George, are you ready for the results?
Yes.
Whatever comes out of it,
you have to take responsibility for.
-I will. -Okay.
So, I've done a careful analysis of all the data
that was collected from your polygraph examinations,
using best practices.
For quality assurance, uh,
I met with another retired FBI polygraph examiner.
Uh, he reviewed all of my work,
and he came up with his own conclusions
independently without any input from me,
obviously, without meeting you.
Uh, at the end of the day,
uh, we both agreed on the final results.
So, uh, what I'm about to share with you,
uh, I'm doing with a high degree of confidence.
Okay.
-Cindy. -Yes.
The scope of your exam was whether or not
George has secretly confessed to you any involvement
in the disappearance and death of Caylee Anthony.
-Okay. -Um...
Your exam contained three relevant questions
that were evaluated.
Did George ever confirm
that he was actively involved in Caylee's death?
No.
Did George ever confirm
that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance?
No.
[Olivo] Did George ever say that he knew
where Caylee was while she was missing?
[Cindy] No.
I asked you these questions multiple times
during the examination to get a pattern.
Right.
And your results are that you passed this test
with no deception indicated to the relevant questions.
So, in my professional opinion, you were truthful.
I believe you, and you deserve to be believed.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
It's not gonna help finding what happened to Caylee
by not being truthful. -Right.
And that's been the whole point.
I mean, I did everything I could and beyond
to try to bring my dau-- my granddaughter home safely.
So, my focus has always been Caylee.
George...
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You took two examinations, George.
Yes.
Uh, The scope of one of your exams
had to do with whether or not
you were involved in child molestation
with your daughter Casey
and, uh, as well with, uh, your granddaughter, Caylee.
Your exam contained three relevant questions.
Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey?
-You answered no. -No.
Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification?
You answered no.
And as an adult,
have you ever had sexual contact with a minor?
Which would include any minor, And you answered no.
I asked you the same questions multiple times
during the examination, George. -Yes.
The results of that examination, George, are...
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George, uh, the scope of one of your exams
had to do with whether or not
you were involved in child molestation
with your daughter Casey
and as well with your granddaughter Caylee.
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Your results are you passed this test, George,
with no deception indicated to all of the relevant questions.
In my professional opinion, you were truthful.
[Cindy] No doubt. I would never have stood for it. No doubt.
[crying]
[Cindy, voice breaking] No doubt.
[sniffles and sobs]
[sobbing]
Oh, my God. Oh, man.
[exhales deeply]
I'm sorry, but I've been wanting to have someone...
-To believe you? -...believe me.
George, you deserve to be believed about that.
[continues sobbing]
George, you took a second exam as well.
The scope of the other exam is to determine
whether or not you had any involvement
in Caylee's death or-- and/or disappearance.
Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance?
No.
Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts?
No.
Did you place Caylee's body in the ground?
No.
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The results of that examination, George...
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...you passed that exam.
And I saw no deception
indicated to all of the relevant questions.
In my professional opinion, you were truthful.
-[exhales deeply] -I've always believed you.
'Cause I tell you, she won't even n--tell you.
There were so many times I just didn't wanna be here
'cause I don't think I could stand...
being pulled in something that I didn't do. [sniffles]
[Olivo] You should be considered a trustworthy man
based on these results.
How does it feel to hear that?
It says it takes a lot of weight off of you.
But, you know, whenever I...
would pray to Caylee, which I do every day,
I says, you know, "Someday," I said,
"I'm gonna get the answers... [sighs]
to be with you and have a pure heart..."
Aah!
...and I got pure heart.
Your husband should be
considered a trustworthy man based on these results.
Right. I never felt otherwise about that.
I was adamant that he never touched her.
I was adamant that he never had anything to do with C--
I saw his pain every day, not knowing where Caylee was.
We've been linked together for 43 years,
and his burden is my burden.
And I feel--I feel in my body a release of his burden.
And I'm so happy for him.
This feels so momentous.
-[Cindy] It is. -[George] It is.
And incredibly sad at the same time.
It is.
I wanna know what it is
you would like to say to your daughter.
You owe your dad a big apology. I'll never forgive her.
I will always love her. I will always wish her well.
And I hope someday she has peace.
But I hope she someday finds the truth and accepts the truth.
Not her truth, the real truth.
George, uh, same question to you.
What do you wanna say to your daughter?
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Casey, I love you.
I don't like you at all for what you put Caylee through,
your mom, me...
your brother.
It hurts so bad to know that I...
I have felt so many times I wanted to end my life
because of this, and, uh...
Just know that...
you blew it.
You blew it with this family.
I'm very confident with the results.
I have no doubt that George and Cindy passed their exams.
They did everything they were supposed to do.
We're never gonna know everything
that happened in that family.
When I learned of Casey's allegations,
I watched her-- her, uh, documentary.
And she, to me, did not-- did not come across as credible.
There was a lot of other things about her--about her demeanor
that suggest that perhaps the truth was not on her side.
But I-I...
probably shouldn't comment anymore on that
without talking to her face to face.
How does your life change,
essentially, from this moment on?
Well, I'll tell you right now, I'll be able to walk outside,
go some places with my wife a little bit more,
hold my head up high, have a smile on my face.
[fussing]
Even though I lost my granddaughter
that I will never see until the day I die,
and hopefully I'll be with her.
Bye!
[airplane roaring overhead]
George did lose a big part of who he was.
Our family was a masterpiece.
And our masterpiece started the day that George and I met.
And I'm hoping we can get that masterpiece
even more beautiful
or fill in the darkness that fell on our masterpiece.
Today is a, you know, like a new beginning,
and I know I've got my husband back.
That's enough to make me cry tears of happiness.
[voice breaking] Maybe I can have some happiness in my life.
Whew. [exhales deeply]
Having a polygraph test...
[scoffs] it's made me feel like me again.
I have my life back again. I have my life back.
I could be happy again.
The truth is on your side.
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