1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,208 Camera six. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,333 --> 00:00:09,958 George, you've been through so much. 5 00:00:10,083 --> 00:00:13,208 I don't wish this on anyone. Not--not anyone at all. 6 00:00:13,375 --> 00:00:15,958 All right, this is new. Casey Anthony is speaking out 7 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:18,500 more than a decade after she was found not guilty 8 00:00:18,625 --> 00:00:20,792 in the murder of her daughter, Caylee. 9 00:00:20,875 --> 00:00:22,583 [Harris] After 15 years, 10 00:00:22,708 --> 00:00:25,500 Casey Anthony has broken her silence with the release 11 00:00:25,625 --> 00:00:27,542 of a documentary series. 12 00:00:27,667 --> 00:00:30,000 She blames her father George for everything 13 00:00:30,083 --> 00:00:32,167 and even implies that he molested 14 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:35,042 and killed her daughter Caylee. 15 00:00:35,208 --> 00:00:39,250 She even alleges that he concealed Caylee's body 16 00:00:39,375 --> 00:00:42,958 and masterminded the infamous 31 days when she was missing. 17 00:00:43,042 --> 00:00:44,333 [voice breaking] I've gotten blamed 18 00:00:44,458 --> 00:00:46,125 for something I didn't do, and it-- 19 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:48,000 -I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside. 20 00:00:48,083 --> 00:00:50,042 Desperate to clear his name, 21 00:00:50,167 --> 00:00:52,292 George has agreed to take a polygraph test. 22 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:53,833 I've had a lot of things happen in my life. 23 00:00:53,958 --> 00:00:55,500 I wouldn't wish that on anyone. 24 00:00:55,667 --> 00:00:57,000 People come by your house, and they threaten you. 25 00:00:57,042 --> 00:00:58,750 They call you names. 26 00:00:58,875 --> 00:01:01,667 [Harris] From hateful tweets to angry voice messages. 27 00:01:01,833 --> 00:01:04,167 [woman] You killed her. You deserve to rot in hell, 28 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:06,458 and that's gonna happen soon. 29 00:01:06,583 --> 00:01:09,333 [Harris] The stakes are higher than ever for Cindy and George. 30 00:01:09,458 --> 00:01:12,417 If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive... 31 00:01:12,542 --> 00:01:14,000 I couldn't live with him anymore. 32 00:01:14,167 --> 00:01:16,125 I just feel that I really need to leave this world. 33 00:01:16,208 --> 00:01:17,667 [Cindy] 'Cause I'm telling you, 34 00:01:17,750 --> 00:01:19,417 if he blows all this, he can end up in jail. 35 00:01:19,542 --> 00:01:21,333 -This is done. This is done. -Tony-- 36 00:01:21,417 --> 00:01:23,000 -I will not stand here... -Tony, did I... 37 00:01:23,125 --> 00:01:24,833 ...and--and you keep defending her. 38 00:01:24,958 --> 00:01:27,333 If you have anything to do with Caylee's disappearance, 39 00:01:27,417 --> 00:01:28,917 then the polygraph's gonna show that. 40 00:01:29,042 --> 00:01:30,958 So, did you have any active involvement 41 00:01:31,083 --> 00:01:33,042 in Caylee's disappearance? 42 00:01:35,792 --> 00:01:38,708 ♪ 43 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:45,708 ♪ 44 00:01:50,042 --> 00:01:52,542 There are maybe just a handful of cases 45 00:01:52,667 --> 00:01:55,167 that will always have the public's attention, 46 00:01:55,333 --> 00:01:56,583 and if there are new developments in the story 47 00:01:56,708 --> 00:02:00,250 in any way, shape, or form, people will be interested. 48 00:02:00,375 --> 00:02:03,583 The tragedy all began back in the summer of 2008. 49 00:02:03,708 --> 00:02:07,333 June 16th was the last day Caylee was seen alive. 50 00:02:07,458 --> 00:02:10,958 One month later, Cindy Anthony frantically called 911 51 00:02:11,042 --> 00:02:12,208 and reported her missing. 52 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:22,083 It didn't take long, but suspicions surrounded Casey 53 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:24,583 after she was caught lying to police 54 00:02:24,708 --> 00:02:27,167 and was seen partying during the 31 days 55 00:02:27,333 --> 00:02:30,625 of her daughter's unreported disappearance. 56 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:32,625 [officer] No more lies. What happened to Caylee? 57 00:02:32,708 --> 00:02:34,750 -[Casey] I don't know. -You do know. 58 00:02:34,875 --> 00:02:36,375 -What happened to Caylee? -I don't know where she is. 59 00:02:37,958 --> 00:02:38,458 [Harris] Five months later, Caylee's remains are found 60 00:02:39,625 --> 00:02:41,583 in a garbage bag dumped in the woods 61 00:02:41,708 --> 00:02:43,833 just half a mile from the Anthonys' home. 62 00:02:43,958 --> 00:02:46,417 [reporter] Florida grand jury indicted Casey Anthony 63 00:02:46,542 --> 00:02:48,500 on charges of first degree murder, 64 00:02:48,667 --> 00:02:51,625 aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter, 65 00:02:51,792 --> 00:02:54,208 and four counts of lying to investigators. 66 00:02:54,333 --> 00:02:56,000 [chanting] Justice for Caylee! 67 00:02:56,125 --> 00:02:59,667 [Harris] Caylee's heartbreaking death ignited a media firestorm, 68 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:02,500 and millions tuned into Casey's televised trial. 69 00:03:02,625 --> 00:03:03,833 [prosecutor, amplified voice] Caylee's death 70 00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:07,625 allowed Casey Anthony to live the good life. 71 00:03:07,708 --> 00:03:11,333 The prosecution argued that Casey grew tired of motherhood 72 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:14,750 and suffocated her daughter using chloroform and duct tape. 73 00:03:14,875 --> 00:03:17,500 The defense claimed Caylee's death was an accident. 74 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:19,292 [defense attorney] She never was missing. 75 00:03:19,417 --> 00:03:22,500 Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, 76 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:24,500 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. 77 00:03:24,667 --> 00:03:26,792 The defense pointed the finger at George, 78 00:03:26,917 --> 00:03:29,500 accusing him of molesting Casey. 79 00:03:29,625 --> 00:03:31,333 [defense attorney] Sex abuse does things to us. 80 00:03:31,458 --> 00:03:34,208 That will help you understand 81 00:03:34,333 --> 00:03:37,333 why no one knew that her child was dead. 82 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,208 In a shocking turn of events... 83 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:41,333 [forewoman] We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty. 84 00:03:41,417 --> 00:03:43,208 -[crowd shouting] -Casey Anthony was found 85 00:03:43,333 --> 00:03:45,333 not guilty of first degree murder. 86 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,292 Now the latest twist. 87 00:03:48,417 --> 00:03:52,667 In 2022, Casey Anthony dropped a bombshell with the release 88 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:56,250 of her documentary series, Where the Truth Lies. 89 00:03:56,375 --> 00:03:57,750 This is the first time 90 00:03:59,375 --> 00:04:00,583 Casey has told her side of the infamous story, 91 00:04:02,250 --> 00:04:04,167 and she not only alleges that her father sexually abused her, 92 00:04:04,292 --> 00:04:06,292 but also her young daughter. 93 00:04:06,375 --> 00:04:08,458 You don't ever wanna see that happen to another kid, 94 00:04:08,583 --> 00:04:10,875 especially not your own. 95 00:04:17,375 --> 00:04:19,708 [Harris] Look, I understand why the Anthonys agreed 96 00:04:19,875 --> 00:04:21,042 to take a polygraph test. 97 00:04:21,167 --> 00:04:22,667 There is a lot at stake here. 98 00:04:22,750 --> 00:04:25,500 They have to pass in order to clear their names. 99 00:04:25,625 --> 00:04:26,917 ♪ 100 00:04:27,042 --> 00:04:31,667 There are two huge areas of this polygraph for George-- 101 00:04:31,792 --> 00:04:33,250 whether or not he had anything to do 102 00:04:34,583 --> 00:04:36,333 with the disappearance of his granddaughter, of Caylee, 103 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:40,167 and whether or not he abused his daughter and/or Caylee, 104 00:04:40,375 --> 00:04:42,875 and Cindy has long been suspected 105 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,083 of helping to hide the truth of Casey's disappearance as well. 106 00:04:47,208 --> 00:04:48,958 I'm watching all these things that you're doing right now, 107 00:04:49,125 --> 00:04:51,042 and it's hurting our case. 108 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:54,000 It's--It's hurting it because people are looking at you, 109 00:04:54,125 --> 00:04:56,458 and they're--they're seeing how you're changing the story. 110 00:04:56,542 --> 00:04:58,500 We don't need that. We need to then look at you 111 00:04:58,625 --> 00:05:00,667 and say, "This is a strong grandmother." 112 00:05:00,750 --> 00:05:04,000 So, she will also be tested on whether or not 113 00:05:04,083 --> 00:05:06,583 George told her anything about any involvement 114 00:05:06,708 --> 00:05:08,875 he might have had in Caylee's disappearance. 115 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:12,333 George and Cindy have not watched Casey's documentary 116 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:14,875 and don't know the extent of the allegations 117 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,833 leveled against them. 118 00:05:16,958 --> 00:05:18,875 ♪ 119 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,667 I wish the walls of that home where we're headed now... 120 00:05:22,833 --> 00:05:24,500 ♪ 121 00:05:24,583 --> 00:05:27,208 I wish those walls could talk. 122 00:05:27,375 --> 00:05:30,542 ♪ 123 00:05:37,708 --> 00:05:42,250 [Cindy] It's been 15 years since our ordeal, and, um, 124 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:44,833 it's taken a toll on both of us. 125 00:05:44,917 --> 00:05:49,625 Back in 2018, George had his accident, 126 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:53,792 so life changed drastically. 127 00:05:53,917 --> 00:05:57,500 [George] I broke my neck in an automobile accident. 128 00:05:57,625 --> 00:06:00,167 I was driving one of our older vehicles. 129 00:06:00,292 --> 00:06:01,708 The left rear axle came out, 130 00:06:01,833 --> 00:06:06,542 and I ended up tumbling three times across the I-4. 131 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,292 ♪♪ 132 00:06:08,417 --> 00:06:10,833 [Cindy] I spent a month up in Daytona with him 133 00:06:10,917 --> 00:06:12,417 while he was going through rehab up there, 134 00:06:12,542 --> 00:06:14,500 and I had to literally bathe him 135 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:15,958 and take care of him for months. Um... 136 00:06:16,083 --> 00:06:18,667 I mean, there's some days I have a hard time walking, 137 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:22,167 but I really try to put forth the effort to get through. 138 00:06:22,292 --> 00:06:24,542 'Cause number one is, I don't want her to 139 00:06:24,708 --> 00:06:26,292 keep on worrying about me, which I know she does. 140 00:06:26,417 --> 00:06:28,333 He's gotten to the point where he doesn't 141 00:06:28,458 --> 00:06:30,250 wanna be out and about. 142 00:06:30,375 --> 00:06:31,542 'Cause I'm afraid I'll embarrass her. 143 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:33,333 Something would happen. 144 00:06:35,875 --> 00:06:40,125 ♪ 145 00:06:40,208 --> 00:06:41,875 [Cindy] For me, it's very relaxing. 146 00:06:42,042 --> 00:06:45,583 There's so many things I can get my hands into or do. 147 00:06:45,708 --> 00:06:50,667 ♪♪ 148 00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:52,500 Zoe, do you know what this is gonna be? 149 00:06:52,625 --> 00:06:54,417 This is gonna be Harry. [gasps] 150 00:06:54,542 --> 00:06:57,208 When we're all done, it's gonna be your brother. 151 00:06:57,375 --> 00:07:04,083 ♪ 152 00:07:04,208 --> 00:07:06,083 This used to be Casey's room, 153 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:09,917 and pretty much where Caylee spent most of her time. 154 00:07:10,042 --> 00:07:12,000 ♪ 155 00:07:12,042 --> 00:07:14,375 Being in this room does make me feel close to Caylee. 156 00:07:14,542 --> 00:07:18,500 Um, I've got not just pictures of her, 157 00:07:18,667 --> 00:07:21,042 but, you know, just memories of her being in here, 158 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:23,167 and she's always with you. 159 00:07:23,375 --> 00:07:25,583 ♪ 160 00:07:25,708 --> 00:07:29,542 This is where my memories are. This is where I raised the kids. 161 00:07:32,708 --> 00:07:34,667 ♪ 162 00:07:34,792 --> 00:07:37,500 Casey was three when we moved here. 163 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:40,333 Caylee was born here. 164 00:07:40,458 --> 00:07:42,417 We've spent most of our married life here. 165 00:07:42,542 --> 00:07:45,167 We've been married, what, 42 years? 166 00:07:45,208 --> 00:07:47,083 42. 167 00:07:47,208 --> 00:07:51,042 Our memories, as we get older, they tend to fade, 168 00:07:51,167 --> 00:07:53,750 so when you look around, and you see the familiar thing, 169 00:07:53,875 --> 00:07:57,458 it triggers it, and I have to hold on those memories. 170 00:07:57,625 --> 00:08:02,667 This is why this house means a lot to me. 171 00:08:02,833 --> 00:08:05,625 This is where we keep Caylee's ashes. 172 00:08:05,708 --> 00:08:07,083 ♪♪ 173 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:10,000 Then I could put little things that remind me of her 174 00:08:10,167 --> 00:08:11,667 inside the box, 175 00:08:11,792 --> 00:08:14,333 and then, of course, have a picture of her. 176 00:08:14,417 --> 00:08:17,667 And I always loved-- with her peeking out, 177 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:19,750 I mean, we captured her on camera so many times, 178 00:08:19,875 --> 00:08:21,458 and I thought, this one just reminded me 179 00:08:21,583 --> 00:08:24,667 of her in the kitchen in the morning. 180 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:26,917 After her bath in the morning, she'd come out, 181 00:08:27,042 --> 00:08:30,333 and she'd want, you know, her cereal or whatever. 182 00:08:30,417 --> 00:08:32,833 And, um, a lot of times afterwards, 183 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,042 she'd get under the high chair and play peekaboo with me. 184 00:08:35,167 --> 00:08:38,875 So, that was one of my favorite pictures of her. 185 00:08:39,042 --> 00:08:42,875 ♪ 186 00:08:43,042 --> 00:08:44,042 [sighs] 187 00:08:44,208 --> 00:08:47,000 ♪ 188 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:50,833 [voice breaking] I mean, the reason we picked cremation 189 00:08:50,958 --> 00:08:57,750 is because she wasn't whole anymore, and, um... 190 00:08:57,875 --> 00:09:00,708 I know she's in heaven, and I know she's looking down on us. 191 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:03,833 She's her--the guardian angel that keep--kept George alive 192 00:09:03,958 --> 00:09:06,167 five years ago during his accident. 193 00:09:06,333 --> 00:09:07,958 ♪ 194 00:09:08,042 --> 00:09:10,208 [George] I've seen Caylee two times in this house 195 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:13,333 since she passed away. 196 00:09:13,458 --> 00:09:15,000 The very first time, she was tapping. 197 00:09:15,125 --> 00:09:16,833 I was laying in bed. She tapped me on the-- 198 00:09:16,917 --> 00:09:17,667 right on the forehead with her little fingers. 199 00:09:17,792 --> 00:09:20,167 Said, "Jojo up, Jojo, up." 200 00:09:20,292 --> 00:09:23,000 And it wasn't too much after that 201 00:09:23,125 --> 00:09:25,542 I saw her one more time. It was just to let me know, 202 00:09:25,708 --> 00:09:27,250 "Jojo, I love you. See you soon." 203 00:09:27,417 --> 00:09:30,542 And she was gone. 204 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:32,250 No one could take that away from me. 205 00:09:32,375 --> 00:09:36,750 ♪ 206 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:46,667 Well, in the beginning, 207 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:49,167 we had heard rumors that Casey might be doing something, 208 00:09:49,292 --> 00:09:51,917 but I never thought that she would, because she had told me 209 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:55,833 that she was never going to exploit Caylee's name. 210 00:09:55,958 --> 00:09:58,000 Well, when I saw that it was coming on, 211 00:09:58,042 --> 00:10:00,167 I said, I'm not watching this crap. 212 00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:03,917 And if this is what she wants to do, that's fine. 213 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 But as time went on, especially with, you know, 214 00:10:07,083 --> 00:10:11,083 people now being hateful with accusations-- 215 00:10:11,208 --> 00:10:15,833 did George, uh, molest Casey? Did he molest Caylee? 216 00:10:15,917 --> 00:10:18,500 And we were like, what the... You know... 217 00:10:18,625 --> 00:10:20,083 -Sure did. I said that word. -What? 218 00:10:20,208 --> 00:10:23,667 Where is this coming out of? And we thought, this is crazy. 219 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:27,000 So, you know, maybe we should address these, you know? 220 00:10:27,083 --> 00:10:28,583 When her and I keep on really trying 221 00:10:28,708 --> 00:10:30,667 to get our lives together, 222 00:10:30,792 --> 00:10:34,000 have happiness in our lives, I'll get a text message-- 223 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:37,500 something just so terrible to read. 224 00:10:37,583 --> 00:10:41,458 Saying pedophile, "You effing this" 225 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:42,917 and Cindy is this and that. 226 00:10:43,042 --> 00:10:45,500 That baby girl deserves justice, 227 00:10:45,625 --> 00:10:47,500 and that won't happen until her grandfather, 228 00:10:47,667 --> 00:10:51,292 who's a pedophile, is behind bars. 229 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:54,542 And it makes me think, why-- why can somebody believe her 230 00:10:54,667 --> 00:10:56,667 but not believe us? 231 00:10:56,833 --> 00:10:58,542 'Cause Casey-- she still is today. 232 00:10:58,625 --> 00:11:00,750 She lies about everything. 233 00:11:00,875 --> 00:11:03,042 I want to have a polygraph 234 00:11:03,208 --> 00:11:04,875 because it's gonna prove one thing. 235 00:11:05,042 --> 00:11:08,333 I never did anything to harm my daughter or my granddaughter. 236 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:11,292 ♪ 237 00:11:16,458 --> 00:11:18,792 [knocks on door] 238 00:11:18,917 --> 00:11:22,083 [Cindy] Nice to meet you, Mr. Harris. 239 00:11:22,208 --> 00:11:24,417 [Harris] Thank you for having me in your home. 240 00:11:24,542 --> 00:11:28,083 I was surprised to get the call that you were willing to talk 241 00:11:28,208 --> 00:11:30,083 and that you were willing to talk to me. Thank you. 242 00:11:30,208 --> 00:11:34,000 Uh, George, we're doing the polygraph examination 243 00:11:34,125 --> 00:11:39,000 with you today in just a short period of time. 244 00:11:39,125 --> 00:11:42,667 And, Cindy, you'll be taking one, too. 245 00:11:42,833 --> 00:11:45,625 And I have to ask you both, 246 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:47,708 why--why do you wanna have this conversation? 247 00:11:47,833 --> 00:11:50,625 The polygraph is gonna give me some satisfaction to know 248 00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:53,708 that I did everything that I possibly could 249 00:11:53,875 --> 00:11:55,667 to prove that, number one, I never assaulted 250 00:11:55,875 --> 00:11:57,375 or hurt my daughter in any way, 251 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,417 and I certainly didn't do anything to my granddaughter. 252 00:12:00,542 --> 00:12:03,000 -Cindy? -I want people to understand. 253 00:12:03,125 --> 00:12:05,500 I want Casey to hear how we feel 254 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:09,250 about what she's said and what she's done. 255 00:12:09,417 --> 00:12:12,500 And we're gonna get to the truth once and for all. 256 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:13,833 ♪ 257 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:20,958 [Harris] So, we're doing the polygraph today. 258 00:12:21,083 --> 00:12:26,125 -Yes. -What if the results 259 00:12:26,292 --> 00:12:28,708 aren't what you hope? 260 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:35,125 [sighs] I'll just feel that I really need to leave this world. 261 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:38,667 ♪ 262 00:12:38,833 --> 00:12:41,333 I used to think I was very strong emotionally. 263 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:44,167 When we had this thing that changed our family, 264 00:12:44,292 --> 00:12:46,917 I said, "Cindy," I said, "I have failed. 265 00:12:47,042 --> 00:12:50,833 I have failed on being the guy that I should be." 266 00:12:50,917 --> 00:12:53,000 Having a polygraph test-- 267 00:12:53,125 --> 00:12:56,833 that would be a validation that I am the guy who I used to be, 268 00:12:56,958 --> 00:12:59,500 the guy that could be counted on to help a neighbor, 269 00:12:59,625 --> 00:13:02,750 to love his wife, love my son. 270 00:13:02,875 --> 00:13:05,000 Even at one time, I really loved my daughter. 271 00:13:05,125 --> 00:13:08,708 But if I don't pass it, how can I stay around anymore? 272 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:14,417 I...I wouldn't wanna go on after this. 273 00:13:14,542 --> 00:13:19,500 So, we've got an amazingly experienced examiner 274 00:13:19,583 --> 00:13:22,792 who believes it's best performed 275 00:13:22,917 --> 00:13:25,708 before you hear Casey's allegations. 276 00:13:25,833 --> 00:13:27,542 [Cindy] Because of the emotions? 277 00:13:27,708 --> 00:13:29,875 In short, yes. George, you will be asked 278 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,917 two sets of questions. -Yes. 279 00:13:32,042 --> 00:13:34,292 The first will address the sexual abuse allegations, 280 00:13:34,417 --> 00:13:37,750 and the second will address whether you were involved 281 00:13:37,875 --> 00:13:40,333 in Caylee's disappearance in any way. 282 00:13:40,458 --> 00:13:42,167 -So, if you're good with that? -Yes, sir, I am. 283 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:44,083 -I'm 100% ready to do it. -Cindy? 284 00:13:44,250 --> 00:13:45,333 -Yes? -Yours will address whether 285 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:49,250 George told you anything about any involvement 286 00:13:49,375 --> 00:13:51,500 he might have had in Caylee's disappearance. 287 00:13:51,583 --> 00:13:53,042 -Sounds good. -Let's go. 288 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,042 [door creaks] 289 00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:03,208 ♪ 290 00:14:05,708 --> 00:14:07,208 [Harris] This looks like 291 00:14:07,333 --> 00:14:09,000 a wonderfully peaceful neighborhood. 292 00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:12,583 Now, what was this like when your neighborhood 293 00:14:12,708 --> 00:14:16,500 had essentially been turned into a media encampment? 294 00:14:16,625 --> 00:14:20,208 The worst part wasn't the media. It was the protesters. 295 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:21,917 [man] Baby killer! 296 00:14:22,042 --> 00:14:23,792 [reporter] The yelling--harsh. 297 00:14:23,917 --> 00:14:25,750 The signs--reading everything 298 00:14:25,833 --> 00:14:27,542 from "Honk if you think she did it!" 299 00:14:27,625 --> 00:14:29,167 [horn honks] 300 00:14:29,292 --> 00:14:32,083 ...to "Casey is a killer!"-- not much better. 301 00:14:32,208 --> 00:14:35,208 [Cindy] The day that Casey was arrested, 302 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,750 the sheriff's department drove right up-- 303 00:14:37,875 --> 00:14:39,417 three vehicles on our front yard, 304 00:14:39,542 --> 00:14:42,375 and they made a spectacle out of it on purpose. 305 00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:44,292 [woman] Baby killer! 306 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:47,333 Within that first month, I had an anxiety attack. 307 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,917 -I got trapped by this reporter. -[siren whoops] 308 00:14:50,042 --> 00:14:52,833 Well, I had never had any panic attacks in my life 309 00:14:52,917 --> 00:14:57,167 prior to Caylee's disappearance. 310 00:14:57,250 --> 00:15:00,208 And I developed post-traumatic stress disorder. 311 00:15:00,375 --> 00:15:03,333 I had to go through years of therapy, 312 00:15:03,458 --> 00:15:05,500 and it's taken a toll on both of us. 313 00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:08,292 And forgive me for asking the most basic question, 314 00:15:08,417 --> 00:15:11,000 but how are you two? 315 00:15:11,208 --> 00:15:12,792 Oh, we've--we've had our moments. 316 00:15:12,875 --> 00:15:14,000 [Cindy] We have good days and bad days. Um-- 317 00:15:14,125 --> 00:15:15,542 Yeah, that's for sure. 318 00:15:20,042 --> 00:15:22,000 Listen, I understand 319 00:15:22,083 --> 00:15:25,000 that everybody processes things differently. 320 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:27,083 George and I went through something very traumatic. 321 00:15:27,208 --> 00:15:29,000 Our marriage was fine for the most part, 322 00:15:29,167 --> 00:15:32,250 but when all this happened, we weren't on the same page 323 00:15:32,375 --> 00:15:36,000 even trying to find Caylee and through the trial and all that. 324 00:15:36,125 --> 00:15:39,000 But, I mean, every couple has things. 325 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:41,000 I take my vows very seriously. 326 00:15:41,083 --> 00:15:43,500 We get comments from a lot of people. 327 00:15:43,625 --> 00:15:45,083 How do you guys stay together? 328 00:15:45,208 --> 00:15:47,000 And my response to them is, it's a daily struggle. 329 00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:49,083 Every day when he says, 330 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:51,583 "I don't wanna be on this earth," 331 00:15:51,708 --> 00:15:54,042 and I said, "Is it because of me or what's happened? 332 00:15:54,208 --> 00:15:55,667 He says, "It's all of it." 333 00:15:55,792 --> 00:15:58,250 [Harris] Look, I'm just wondering, 334 00:15:58,375 --> 00:16:01,000 what kind of effect do you think this polygraph 335 00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:02,500 will have on your marriage? 336 00:16:02,583 --> 00:16:03,875 ♪♪ 337 00:16:04,042 --> 00:16:08,333 [Cindy] Um...I-I know. 338 00:16:08,417 --> 00:16:13,667 I mean...if there's some inconclusive things, 339 00:16:13,792 --> 00:16:15,083 I understand that. 340 00:16:17,125 --> 00:16:20,792 I mean, I-I would, um... 341 00:16:20,875 --> 00:16:26,000 be shocked if-- if he was deceptive on it. 342 00:16:26,083 --> 00:16:27,333 That would lead to other conversations. 343 00:16:27,542 --> 00:16:29,667 Well, yeah. I mean, yes. 344 00:16:29,833 --> 00:16:31,125 [George] I understand that. 345 00:16:31,292 --> 00:16:34,333 And if I thought that any of this was true, 346 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,083 believe me, we wouldn't be together. 347 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,542 ♪ 348 00:16:43,667 --> 00:16:44,625 [Harris] Okay. 349 00:16:49,958 --> 00:16:52,417 All right. 350 00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,958 Uh, obviously, this is where the exam will take place. 351 00:16:55,083 --> 00:16:57,667 Cindy, you and I are gonna go ahead of George 352 00:16:57,833 --> 00:16:59,625 so that we can get set. 353 00:16:59,750 --> 00:17:01,083 -The room can be set. -Okay. 354 00:17:01,208 --> 00:17:04,083 Our examiner can get set, uh, and then you come on in, 355 00:17:04,208 --> 00:17:05,667 and then it'll all begin, all right? 356 00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:07,750 Yep. Good luck. 357 00:17:07,875 --> 00:17:09,458 -Love you. -Love you, too. 358 00:17:09,583 --> 00:17:11,583 Take you this way. 359 00:17:11,708 --> 00:17:14,375 [sighs] 360 00:17:14,542 --> 00:17:17,667 ♪ 361 00:17:23,875 --> 00:17:25,458 Thank you. 362 00:17:25,542 --> 00:17:27,292 There. 363 00:17:28,542 --> 00:17:33,000 ♪ 364 00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:34,958 [door creaks] 365 00:17:35,083 --> 00:17:36,333 -Hey there. -Hello. How are you? 366 00:17:36,417 --> 00:17:37,917 -Good to meet you, sir. -Good to meet you. 367 00:17:38,042 --> 00:17:39,875 Come on in here. Just come around here. 368 00:17:40,042 --> 00:17:42,000 My name is George Olivo. 369 00:17:42,083 --> 00:17:44,958 All right. I'm a retired FBI special agent, 370 00:17:45,042 --> 00:17:47,583 and I was a senior polygraph examiner 371 00:17:47,708 --> 00:17:49,375 for the Los Angeles division of the FBI 372 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:53,167 from 2011 until I retired in 2020. 373 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:55,250 I just want you to know I'm not here to judge you today. 374 00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:56,708 -I understand. -In fact, let's work together 375 00:17:56,833 --> 00:17:58,333 and resolve it today. -That's what I'm hoping for. 376 00:17:58,458 --> 00:18:00,000 -Yes. -All right. That means we gotta 377 00:18:00,125 --> 00:18:01,833 be 100% honest with each other. Okay? 378 00:18:01,958 --> 00:18:03,125 -Absolutely. -All right, perfect. 379 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:05,042 So, I recommended that Cindy and George 380 00:18:06,042 --> 00:18:07,167 take their polygraph examinations 381 00:18:08,708 --> 00:18:12,458 before they hear the allegations from--from their daughter Casey, 382 00:18:12,542 --> 00:18:15,500 uh, because the allegations were very, very strong, 383 00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:19,375 and it's going to cause a lot of emotions. 384 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:21,083 And at the end of the day, I'd like to have 385 00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:22,792 the most accurate results possible 386 00:18:22,917 --> 00:18:24,208 and not muddy the water 387 00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,000 with allegations from their own daughter 388 00:18:26,042 --> 00:18:28,458 before they take a test regarding those things. 389 00:18:28,542 --> 00:18:30,292 George, I want to ask you about you. 390 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,083 Uh, on a scale of one to 10, you're a 10 on honesty, right? 391 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:34,433 -[George] I'm a 10. -You tell the-- 392 00:18:35,375 --> 00:18:35,625 You're not here to tell the truth 393 00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:37,083 only when it's convenient, right? 394 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:38,292 No, not just what's convenient. No, 'cause-- 395 00:18:39,375 --> 00:18:39,458 So you're here to tell the truth all the time 396 00:18:40,375 --> 00:18:41,208 and be a 10 for me today, right? 397 00:18:42,333 --> 00:18:43,500 Yes. Because I, number one, I have to. 398 00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:45,333 Got no reason to doubt you. But let's just be clear. 399 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,167 If you have anything to do 400 00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:50,208 with Caylee's disappearance, 401 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:51,667 then the polygraph's gonna show that. 402 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:53,792 You can think of polygraph 403 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:56,042 as a fancy tape recorder. 404 00:18:56,167 --> 00:18:57,875 Rather than recording the voice, 405 00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:00,542 polygraph records physiology, what the body is saying, 406 00:19:00,708 --> 00:19:03,000 to determine if the person's telling the truth or not. 407 00:19:03,167 --> 00:19:04,375 If you've got nothing to hide from me today, 408 00:19:04,542 --> 00:19:06,042 the exam's gonna show that as well. 409 00:19:06,208 --> 00:19:07,333 Physiology are things like heart rate, 410 00:19:07,458 --> 00:19:10,000 sweat gland activity, respiration, 411 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:11,833 the information that the body gives off 412 00:19:11,958 --> 00:19:14,292 when it's reacting to a stimuli. 413 00:19:14,417 --> 00:19:17,167 -Are you a little nervous? -[sighs] 414 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:19,000 Someone is being truthful, 415 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:20,708 then physiology ticks along normally, 416 00:19:20,792 --> 00:19:22,375 and the diagnostic features 417 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,333 look kind of like a river just trickling along. 418 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:26,500 Doesn't change course. Keeps moving in the same direction. 419 00:19:26,542 --> 00:19:29,458 When someone's deceptive, and they know it, they're lying, 420 00:19:29,583 --> 00:19:31,500 the thought process is, oh, my gosh, 421 00:19:31,667 --> 00:19:33,875 "What's gonna happen to me if I get caught? I know I did this," 422 00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:36,708 and so instead of a river, it looks more like a volcano. 423 00:19:36,833 --> 00:19:38,667 How do you think you'll do on this exam regarding 424 00:19:38,750 --> 00:19:41,583 Caylee's disappearance? -I hope I get a 10. 425 00:19:41,708 --> 00:19:43,917 [sniffles], voice breaking] I would cry. 426 00:19:44,042 --> 00:19:45,333 ♪ 427 00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:47,750 I would probably fall down here, and I would cry. 428 00:19:47,875 --> 00:19:50,333 Okay. 429 00:19:50,542 --> 00:19:51,833 'Cause I've gotten blamed for something I didn't do. 430 00:19:51,917 --> 00:19:53,292 -I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside. 431 00:19:53,417 --> 00:19:55,000 I understand that. 432 00:19:55,167 --> 00:19:57,167 The average accuracy rate 433 00:19:57,375 --> 00:20:00,417 for polygraph is between 85 and 90%. 434 00:20:00,542 --> 00:20:02,417 Because unlike the spoken word, 435 00:20:02,542 --> 00:20:04,917 we say the physiology always tells the truth. 436 00:20:05,042 --> 00:20:06,667 In other words, the body never lies. 437 00:20:06,833 --> 00:20:09,167 If he's not telling the truth, he's not gonna pass. 438 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:14,125 He knows how important it is to be exonerated by this. 439 00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:16,333 So, here's the thing about today, George. 440 00:20:16,417 --> 00:20:19,042 I mean, I know that it's emotional and everything else. 441 00:20:19,167 --> 00:20:21,667 But today's not about how much you're hurting. 442 00:20:21,792 --> 00:20:23,708 Today is only about telling the truth. 443 00:20:23,875 --> 00:20:25,833 ♪ 444 00:20:30,208 --> 00:20:33,292 ♪ 445 00:20:45,917 --> 00:20:49,500 So, Casey has, uh, claimed that when she was young, 446 00:20:49,583 --> 00:20:53,250 you came in the room and--and molested her. 447 00:20:53,375 --> 00:20:55,833 So, there's two parts to this test. 448 00:20:56,042 --> 00:20:57,333 They're like two sides of a coin. 449 00:20:57,417 --> 00:20:59,333 Both sides are equally important. 450 00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:01,667 So, the first side answers the question, did you do it? 451 00:21:01,792 --> 00:21:04,208 The other part answers the question, 452 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:06,750 do you fit the profile of a person that would do that? 453 00:21:06,875 --> 00:21:08,833 Well, the pre-test interview is where we discuss 454 00:21:08,917 --> 00:21:10,542 all the issues, tell 'em everything they need to know. 455 00:21:10,708 --> 00:21:11,917 Wanna try and keep that foot movement 456 00:21:12,042 --> 00:21:13,458 to a minimum. -Yeah. 457 00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:14,833 Try not to move your feet when you answer. 458 00:21:14,958 --> 00:21:16,500 Don't try to convince me with your answer. 459 00:21:16,625 --> 00:21:19,583 That's not necessary. Just soft-spoken "yes" or "no." 460 00:21:19,708 --> 00:21:21,625 We have to make that decision during the pre-test. 461 00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:24,667 Is this person suitable for testing? Are they lucid? 462 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:26,833 Are they able to sit through this test 463 00:21:26,917 --> 00:21:28,417 and focus and pay attention? 464 00:21:28,542 --> 00:21:31,250 You called yourself a 10 on the personal honesty scale, 465 00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:32,833 and you didn't lie about that, right? 466 00:21:34,417 --> 00:21:36,333 You didn't lie about that, right? 467 00:21:36,417 --> 00:21:38,167 Yes. I mean, I didn't lie about it, no. I'm sorry. 468 00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,042 -Okay. All right. -I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 469 00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:41,542 You got me worried there for a minute. 470 00:21:43,042 --> 00:21:44,250 During a legitimate exam, there are no surprises. 471 00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:45,875 We actually go over every single question 472 00:21:47,292 --> 00:21:47,792 so they know exactly what they're gonna be asked. 473 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:49,625 Because if they're not comfortable, 474 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,750 or they don't really understand what I'm getting at, 475 00:21:52,875 --> 00:21:54,625 then we're not gonna have accurate results. 476 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:57,417 You've been married to Cindy now for how long? 477 00:21:57,542 --> 00:21:59,250 -42 years. -Congratulations. 478 00:21:59,417 --> 00:22:00,375 You have never cheated on Cindy? 479 00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:01,625 No. 480 00:22:01,708 --> 00:22:04,708 Even an-- even an emotional affair, right? 481 00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:06,000 -I haven't. -Okay. 482 00:22:06,167 --> 00:22:07,917 -I have not. -All right. 483 00:22:08,042 --> 00:22:10,167 Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale? 484 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:11,625 -[Cindy] No. -[Olivo] Yes? 485 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:14,208 -Yes. -Yes. 486 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,500 No. When we were separated, he wanted to date. 487 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:20,500 I guess when you're separated, it doesn't count. I don't know. 488 00:22:24,083 --> 00:22:26,875 How do you think he's feeling? 489 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,667 As long as he will take his time 490 00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:32,625 and pay attention, he'll do fine. 491 00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:35,583 If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive 492 00:22:35,708 --> 00:22:37,333 about those critical questions-- -Those would be hard. 493 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,667 That would be like a mind-blowing type thing. 494 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:43,083 -That would require you to-- -[Cindy] Look at everything. 495 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:45,333 -To look at everything. -I think so. 496 00:22:45,458 --> 00:22:47,667 It could mark the end of your relationship with him? 497 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:49,042 Yeah, it could. 498 00:22:49,167 --> 00:22:52,042 ♪♪ 499 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,750 [Harris] So, George's first polygraph test focused 500 00:22:57,917 --> 00:23:01,500 mainly on the allegation that he abused Casey, 501 00:23:01,625 --> 00:23:04,875 and frankly, that's what I'd like to dive into now. 502 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,417 So, we're going to watch, uh, your daughter's 503 00:23:09,542 --> 00:23:12,458 telling her version of events, her story. 504 00:23:12,583 --> 00:23:15,167 And we'd agreed you'd watch this for the first time 505 00:23:15,250 --> 00:23:17,583 after the polygraph 506 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:20,958 so that it wouldn't upset you and possibly impact the results. 507 00:23:21,042 --> 00:23:22,667 ♪♪ 508 00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:24,625 Um... but--but I'm sensing some tension 509 00:23:24,708 --> 00:23:26,167 after yesterday's polygraph. -Yeah. 510 00:23:26,292 --> 00:23:27,542 -Sure are. -And-- 511 00:23:27,708 --> 00:23:29,417 [Cindy] And they can change our life. 512 00:23:29,542 --> 00:23:31,708 They can change our life. This is serious. 513 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:37,958 [Harris] You both ready to hear her allegations? 514 00:23:38,042 --> 00:23:40,500 I want to go on as long as George feels comfortable. 515 00:23:40,625 --> 00:23:41,917 I--this--that's... 516 00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:45,583 Taylor, can we just angle this a little bit? 517 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:48,000 Just pull this side out a little 518 00:23:48,125 --> 00:23:51,917 so George is this way instead of having it back? 519 00:23:52,042 --> 00:23:54,542 You wanna see before we get started? 520 00:23:56,917 --> 00:23:59,167 Okay, Erica, you don't even want to try it. 521 00:23:59,333 --> 00:24:01,833 I'm not moving this. I'm not moving this. 522 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,292 I want to move him this way so that he can see. 523 00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:06,833 I said, we can--can we try it? 524 00:24:06,917 --> 00:24:09,000 I didn't say to do it. I said, can we try it? 525 00:24:09,167 --> 00:24:10,417 [producer] Let's try it. Let's see what happens. 526 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:12,417 I'm not even getting any consideration. 527 00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,125 I don't want to make this harder than it is, 528 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,083 and that's not very much. 529 00:24:16,208 --> 00:24:17,833 I'm trying to help him 530 00:24:17,917 --> 00:24:20,750 because if he blows all this, he can end up in jail. 531 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:22,708 I don't need Erica coming up here and saying, 532 00:24:22,833 --> 00:24:25,000 "No, you can't do that and then... no." 533 00:24:25,167 --> 00:24:27,375 ♪ 534 00:24:27,542 --> 00:24:30,167 [sighs] 535 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:33,083 She wants to control all the time. 536 00:24:33,208 --> 00:24:35,792 Cindy's very controlling. I'll admit that completely. 537 00:24:35,917 --> 00:24:38,083 I'd rather have a wife that's controlling than the one 538 00:24:38,208 --> 00:24:40,333 that just, "Okay, you do what you need to do." 539 00:24:40,542 --> 00:24:42,333 I'd want someone to be strong. 540 00:24:42,542 --> 00:24:45,417 Let's, uh... Let's try to start watching. 541 00:24:45,542 --> 00:24:46,708 -[crew speaking indistinctly] -[sighs] 542 00:24:46,875 --> 00:24:48,250 All right. 543 00:24:48,375 --> 00:24:51,000 [crew member] All ready. 544 00:24:51,083 --> 00:24:53,417 -Everybody set? Everybody ready? -[crew member] Yeah. 545 00:24:53,542 --> 00:24:56,917 He's happy. I'm happy. We're good. I got ya. 546 00:24:57,083 --> 00:24:59,208 I just want you to-- to take a deep breath. 547 00:24:59,375 --> 00:25:05,167 Your daughter is suggesting, in pretty vivid detail, 548 00:25:05,292 --> 00:25:06,833 the kind of dysfunction 549 00:25:06,958 --> 00:25:09,625 that she says was a part of her upbringing. 550 00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:12,917 I need you to brace yourself because the allegations 551 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:14,750 you're about to hear are pretty intense. 552 00:25:14,875 --> 00:25:16,958 [clicks] 553 00:25:17,042 --> 00:25:19,333 [Casey] My nightmare last night-- 554 00:25:19,458 --> 00:25:22,833 it was similar to other things that happened to me growing up. 555 00:25:22,958 --> 00:25:25,333 [reporter] What was the nightmare last night? 556 00:25:25,542 --> 00:25:28,500 My father was holding me down and raping me. 557 00:25:28,625 --> 00:25:31,625 [under breath] Jesus Christ. Come on. 558 00:25:31,708 --> 00:25:37,500 That happens again and again and again. 559 00:25:37,583 --> 00:25:39,542 When I was eight years old, 560 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,708 my father started to come into my room at night. 561 00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:44,875 I was physically hurt, 562 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,333 and I can't tell Mommy what happened. 563 00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:50,167 She never called me "Mommy." She always called me "Mom." 564 00:25:50,208 --> 00:25:53,042 She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told. 565 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:54,625 Wow. 566 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,667 Wow. 567 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:05,000 You have any thoughts about watching her, 568 00:26:05,167 --> 00:26:08,875 seeing her in this light, telling her version of events? 569 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:10,750 It hurts. 570 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:13,333 What she's saying is what you did to her... 571 00:26:13,458 --> 00:26:14,708 I know. 572 00:26:14,875 --> 00:26:18,042 ...was so horrid that she repressed it. 573 00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,333 Yeah, I know. It, uh... 574 00:26:20,458 --> 00:26:22,375 It's a good fabrication on her part. 575 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,708 First thing is, I know she's lying. You know she's lying. 576 00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:30,000 For all the years she lived in this house with us, 577 00:26:30,167 --> 00:26:32,333 we were always... 578 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,833 happy with each other. 579 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,208 [Cindy] Hey, guys. I wanna get--oh! 580 00:26:38,375 --> 00:26:41,292 ♪ 581 00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:44,583 [all] ♪ Happy birthday to you 582 00:26:44,708 --> 00:26:48,083 ♪ Happy birthday to you 583 00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:52,375 To hear her make comments about our family hurt me, 584 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,875 and I know it hurt him. 585 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,500 We were a loving family. Every family has ups and downs, 586 00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,542 but we were always able to get through it. 587 00:26:59,708 --> 00:27:02,792 Aw. He's cute. 588 00:27:02,917 --> 00:27:04,417 -[George] Look at him. -[Cindy] Aw, that's a cave... 589 00:27:04,542 --> 00:27:08,667 -That's a cavewoman. -[laughing] 590 00:27:08,833 --> 00:27:10,792 I need a bigger room. 591 00:27:10,958 --> 00:27:13,000 -Yeah, you do. Just for this. -[George] Yeah. 592 00:27:13,167 --> 00:27:15,417 Thank you all very much. 593 00:27:15,542 --> 00:27:16,792 I can't understand how someone 594 00:27:16,917 --> 00:27:17,875 her and I brought into this world-- 595 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,208 we did everything we could for her. 596 00:27:21,375 --> 00:27:22,917 How could this have happened? 597 00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:25,667 ♪♪ 598 00:27:25,792 --> 00:27:28,208 Well, here's the thing, too. 599 00:27:28,375 --> 00:27:30,375 There's no physical way for him 600 00:27:30,542 --> 00:27:33,167 to have sexual intercourse three times, 601 00:27:33,292 --> 00:27:37,750 three to four times a week in that room without hearing it. 602 00:27:37,875 --> 00:27:42,958 How many feet from your bedroom to where Casey slept? 603 00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:45,625 What, 30? And we always had our doors open. 604 00:27:45,708 --> 00:27:49,917 Everybody knows how protective I am of my children. 605 00:27:50,083 --> 00:27:53,250 I would have castrated him myself if I thought he did that. 606 00:27:53,375 --> 00:27:55,208 ♪♪ 607 00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:58,708 I look at her right now. 608 00:27:58,833 --> 00:28:00,708 That's not the daughter 609 00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:02,958 that I remember being here at this house. 610 00:28:03,042 --> 00:28:07,125 ♪♪ 611 00:28:11,875 --> 00:28:13,083 [Olivo] All right, so the test is about to begin. 612 00:28:13,208 --> 00:28:14,833 Please remain still. 613 00:28:14,917 --> 00:28:17,792 ♪♪ 614 00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:26,667 Regarding sexual contact with Casey, 615 00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:28,208 Do you intend to lie on this test? 616 00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:31,083 No. 617 00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:36,792 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 618 00:28:38,333 --> 00:28:39,333 No. 619 00:28:42,375 --> 00:28:45,167 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 620 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:49,333 ♪ 621 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,500 No. 622 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:53,042 ♪ 623 00:28:53,208 --> 00:28:55,250 Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy? 624 00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:59,583 ♪ 625 00:28:59,708 --> 00:29:01,333 No. 626 00:29:01,417 --> 00:29:03,583 I don't know what the experts say about body language, 627 00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:05,375 but how do you feel about his body language? 628 00:29:05,542 --> 00:29:07,208 [inhales deeply] 629 00:29:08,208 --> 00:29:12,417 If George is uncomfortable, he'll fidget. 630 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,167 What's going on here? 631 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,500 Oh, just trying to figure out what to do with my hands. 632 00:29:18,667 --> 00:29:20,875 [scoffs] 633 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,542 Stop moving your feet, George. It's way too much. 634 00:29:22,708 --> 00:29:25,000 [whispers] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. 635 00:29:25,167 --> 00:29:27,250 ♪ 636 00:29:27,375 --> 00:29:30,500 Uh, as an adult, have you ever had sexual contact with a minor? 637 00:29:30,667 --> 00:29:32,917 No. 638 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,917 This part of the test is over. Please remain still. 639 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,375 We're gonna have to do it a few times. 640 00:29:39,542 --> 00:29:40,417 -Yes. I'm ready to go. -[Olivo] You're okay with that. 641 00:29:40,542 --> 00:29:41,958 -All right. -Yes, sir. 642 00:29:42,042 --> 00:29:46,042 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 643 00:29:46,208 --> 00:29:48,792 -No. -So, on the polygraph exam, 644 00:29:48,875 --> 00:29:52,000 there's a lot of redundancy built into the protocol. 645 00:29:52,125 --> 00:29:54,583 So, we ask the same questions several times. 646 00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:57,250 Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy? 647 00:29:57,333 --> 00:29:59,375 -No. -And we come up with basically 648 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,833 a pattern of truthfulness or a pattern of deception. 649 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,167 Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale? 650 00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:09,083 [George] Yes. 651 00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:12,458 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 652 00:30:12,625 --> 00:30:14,167 ♪ 653 00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:15,167 No. 654 00:30:20,958 --> 00:30:23,167 [Harris] George's first test wasn't-- 655 00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:26,542 really wasn't just about whether or not he abused Casey. 656 00:30:26,708 --> 00:30:30,583 This is crucial, because what Casey says 657 00:30:30,708 --> 00:30:34,500 is that the abuse didn't stop with her. 658 00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:36,875 I'm going to show you a clip from your speech at the funeral. 659 00:30:37,042 --> 00:30:41,333 I stand here today, 660 00:30:41,417 --> 00:30:46,208 proud to be the grandfather of Caylee Marie Anthony, 661 00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:48,167 who not only meant the world to me, 662 00:30:48,292 --> 00:30:51,167 but meant the world to my family 663 00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:53,708 and so many of you that never got a chance 664 00:30:53,875 --> 00:30:59,500 to actually hug her, smell her hair, 665 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:03,042 smell the sweet sweat when she came in from outside. 666 00:31:03,208 --> 00:31:05,083 Are you [bleep] kidding me? 667 00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:07,125 [George] To hear her call me "Jojo," 668 00:31:07,292 --> 00:31:11,625 I miss that... kiss on the cheek, 669 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:14,292 that special hug that I tell everyone, 670 00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:17,333 it's so great to get a hug from someone, 671 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:21,042 but to get a hug from a small child, 672 00:31:21,208 --> 00:31:24,167 that gives me energy like you couldn't imagine. 673 00:31:24,292 --> 00:31:28,125 Oh, I see where she's goin'. 674 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:33,250 Do you see what she's going at, George? 675 00:31:33,375 --> 00:31:34,833 Yeah. 676 00:31:34,958 --> 00:31:38,292 [voice breaking] That's not normal. 677 00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:42,000 Nothing about that is [bleep] normal! [cries] 678 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:45,917 You're outright telling the world 679 00:31:46,042 --> 00:31:47,625 that you're a pedophile! 680 00:31:47,708 --> 00:31:50,083 Wow, Casey. 681 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:52,125 I'm just a little confused. 682 00:31:52,292 --> 00:31:56,542 Uh, this whole statement about the sweet smell of sweat. 683 00:31:56,708 --> 00:31:59,167 ♪ 684 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,667 When I said I smelled her hair 685 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:03,333 and that sweet sweat that she had, I did. 686 00:32:03,375 --> 00:32:05,292 It was just the truth in my heart, 687 00:32:05,375 --> 00:32:07,000 how I felt about my granddaughter. 688 00:32:07,125 --> 00:32:09,167 Whenever our granddaughter would be outside, 689 00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:11,000 when you got a chance to hold her, 690 00:32:11,125 --> 00:32:13,875 and she would give hugs that were just so fantastic, 691 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,292 you would smell just a gentle... 692 00:32:18,417 --> 00:32:21,000 [sighs] 693 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:22,708 What am I supposed to do, push my granddaughter away 694 00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:24,000 and say, "You stink"? 695 00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:26,708 I felt great to get that hug from her 696 00:32:26,875 --> 00:32:29,375 and have that with me, 697 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,417 but for her to call me what she just called me-- 698 00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:32,542 A pedophile. 699 00:32:34,708 --> 00:32:39,792 Yeah. That was never in my physicality or my brain. 700 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:41,750 You meant you loved hugging your kids when they were little. 701 00:32:41,875 --> 00:32:43,167 I did. 702 00:32:43,292 --> 00:32:45,042 You love hugging your granddaughter. 703 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:46,792 But as Casey's writing the narrative... 704 00:32:46,958 --> 00:32:48,875 -You're right. -I see where she 705 00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:51,167 is going to use that against you. 706 00:32:51,292 --> 00:32:54,333 [Harris] Is this the first time you've heard this suggestion 707 00:32:54,417 --> 00:32:57,500 that you were molesting your granddaughter? 708 00:32:57,708 --> 00:32:59,083 Oh, this right here? 709 00:32:59,167 --> 00:33:00,875 Yeah, it's the first--first time I've heard this. 710 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,167 Wow. Did you molest Caylee? 711 00:33:04,333 --> 00:33:06,583 Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not. 712 00:33:06,708 --> 00:33:09,958 So, this is--this is another allegation against you. 713 00:33:10,042 --> 00:33:12,333 Certainly is. 714 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,375 ♪ 715 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,375 I wanna dig into this just a little bit more. 716 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,292 You mind if I take him out on the patio? 717 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,333 -[Cindy] Oh, that's fine. -Okay. 718 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,000 [George] You know, it's very, very hard for a guy 719 00:33:27,083 --> 00:33:28,833 who always loves his children, 720 00:33:28,958 --> 00:33:30,833 did everything I could for them, 721 00:33:30,958 --> 00:33:36,208 but to know that I can't see her anymore. 722 00:33:36,375 --> 00:33:38,000 I've said that a few times in the past, 723 00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:39,833 but that's the truth now. 724 00:33:39,958 --> 00:33:41,917 But she's not a part of my family. 725 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,792 I'm sitting here as a father, and I--and--and I'm wondering 726 00:33:45,917 --> 00:33:47,167 what the hell that was like for you, 727 00:33:47,292 --> 00:33:49,083 hearing all of those allegations. 728 00:33:52,708 --> 00:33:54,958 Is there a kernel of truth to any of the allegations 729 00:33:55,042 --> 00:33:56,542 she's leveling against you? 730 00:33:56,708 --> 00:33:57,833 -None. -None? 731 00:33:57,958 --> 00:34:00,083 None. 732 00:34:00,208 --> 00:34:02,792 All I really know is... 733 00:34:02,917 --> 00:34:05,792 [scoffs] 734 00:34:05,958 --> 00:34:07,667 [sighs] 735 00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:12,625 I can't really say I'm gonna survive this moment. 736 00:34:12,708 --> 00:34:16,167 If I die, uh, I know when I die, I know where I'm going. 737 00:34:16,292 --> 00:34:18,333 I don't think Casey's gonna be going in that same place. 738 00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:20,167 I don't--I don't believe that. 739 00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:23,542 Either you're lying, or she's lying. 740 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,292 Well... 741 00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:28,208 And results are coming back. 742 00:34:28,375 --> 00:34:29,792 [sighs] 743 00:34:39,708 --> 00:34:41,458 [Olivo] Okay, so, George, let's take a break, okay? 744 00:34:41,583 --> 00:34:43,417 So, we're done with this portion, okay? 745 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,708 -Okay. -I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, 746 00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,333 take the components off of you 747 00:34:47,417 --> 00:34:49,333 because you've been sitting a while. 748 00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:53,458 Feels tense to me. I don't know how you feel, but gosh. 749 00:34:53,542 --> 00:34:55,583 [Harris] So, George has one more exam to go. 750 00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:58,000 [Olivo] Perfect. Let me get that cuff for you. 751 00:34:58,083 --> 00:34:59,792 [Harris] But he's gonna get a bit of a break, 752 00:34:59,917 --> 00:35:01,792 and you'll take your test now. 753 00:35:01,875 --> 00:35:03,167 [sighs] Okay. 754 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,208 [George, strained voice] Oh. 755 00:35:05,375 --> 00:35:08,208 ♪ 756 00:35:16,208 --> 00:35:19,500 Okay, Cindy, it's your turn in the chair. 757 00:35:19,625 --> 00:35:22,125 [laughs] 758 00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:24,167 -We're gonna get through this. -Honey, I know you are. 759 00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:26,417 -Yeah. -I know you are. 760 00:35:26,542 --> 00:35:28,333 [clears throat] 761 00:35:28,458 --> 00:35:29,625 [Olivo] All right, Cindy, you can go ahead and have a seat 762 00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:32,208 and, uh...now I just wanna ask you a couple of questions 763 00:35:33,625 --> 00:35:35,333 about you, all right, to get to know you a little bit better, 764 00:35:35,417 --> 00:35:37,500 make sure that you're fit to take the test today, okay? 765 00:35:37,667 --> 00:35:39,875 How much sleep did you get last night? 766 00:35:40,042 --> 00:35:41,208 Maybe four hours. [sighs] 767 00:35:41,333 --> 00:35:43,250 Feel rested enough to be focused right now? 768 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:45,500 -Yeah, I believe so. -Okay. Good. Good. 769 00:35:45,667 --> 00:35:48,000 And medications? You--You said you take blood pressure meds? 770 00:35:48,083 --> 00:35:49,667 I take blood pressure medicine, 771 00:35:49,833 --> 00:35:51,583 and I take anxiety medicines. 772 00:35:51,708 --> 00:35:53,667 I have anxiety issues since all of this happened. 773 00:35:53,833 --> 00:35:55,875 -Sure. -I have gone through 774 00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:57,750 post-traumatic stress, um, treatments. 775 00:35:57,833 --> 00:36:02,208 Okay. In terms of you being in control, uh, functional, 776 00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:04,542 how would you rate your mental health on a scale of one to 10? 777 00:36:04,708 --> 00:36:06,375 With this Casey stuff, 778 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,500 I lost control a couple times with her. 779 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:10,333 -Mm-hmm. -Not where I hurt her. 780 00:36:10,458 --> 00:36:12,333 -Yeah. -But I put her on the floor 781 00:36:12,417 --> 00:36:14,833 and sat on her. -Mm-hmm. 782 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000 So, you lost it. 783 00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:19,042 Well, I mean, I yelled at her. 784 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,667 I wanted to shake her, but I didn't. 785 00:36:20,792 --> 00:36:22,125 -So--So--So, hold on. -So I mean, she's lying, 786 00:36:22,208 --> 00:36:23,292 so my frame of mind is-- 787 00:36:23,417 --> 00:36:24,250 Slow down. Hey, slow down, Cindy. 788 00:36:24,375 --> 00:36:25,667 -Right. -I'm asking you... 789 00:36:25,792 --> 00:36:27,125 -Right. -...about your mental health, 790 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:28,833 and you're getting way ahead of me here, okay? 791 00:36:28,958 --> 00:36:30,333 -Okay-- -How do you feel mentally, 792 00:36:30,417 --> 00:36:32,333 in terms of being in control on a daily basis? 793 00:36:32,542 --> 00:36:34,083 I--on a daily basis, I feel in control. 794 00:36:34,208 --> 00:36:35,625 You are. Okay. 795 00:36:35,708 --> 00:36:37,750 -That's all I asked you so far. -But it's--right. 796 00:36:37,833 --> 00:36:41,833 [Olivo] When's the last time you saw Casey, your daughter? 797 00:36:41,958 --> 00:36:46,042 [Cindy] The last time I physically saw her was in 2016, 798 00:36:46,208 --> 00:36:48,458 the day that my father died. 799 00:36:48,542 --> 00:36:51,458 She came, and she spent the whole evening with me 800 00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:53,375 and the next day. -How was that? 801 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,375 'Cause he had passed in the morning. It was fine. 802 00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:57,125 I mean, her and I were on good terms. 803 00:36:57,250 --> 00:37:00,125 -We were chatting all the time. -So, what happened? 804 00:37:00,208 --> 00:37:04,083 ♪♪ 805 00:37:04,208 --> 00:37:06,292 [Harris] So at this point, so far, 806 00:37:06,417 --> 00:37:08,875 most of the focus has been on George. 807 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 But, Cindy, I've got to tell you, 808 00:37:11,083 --> 00:37:12,792 people have long suspected 809 00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:15,125 that you have been hiding the truth as well. 810 00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:17,333 I know there are allegations that she makes 811 00:37:17,458 --> 00:37:20,667 about your relationship and your nature. 812 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:24,750 Casey's about to point the finger directly at you. 813 00:37:24,875 --> 00:37:29,583 I don't know. She's such a liar. It's in her DNA now. 814 00:37:29,667 --> 00:37:33,000 I wanna see her attached to a lie detector test. 815 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:34,792 [remote clicks] 816 00:37:34,875 --> 00:37:37,833 What you have to realize about my mom when I was younger, 817 00:37:38,042 --> 00:37:40,458 she was extremely controlling. 818 00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:43,167 She tried to make sure I dressed as young as I possibly could, 819 00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:46,083 to look as young as I possibly could. 820 00:37:46,208 --> 00:37:49,000 It's not just feeling like my mom wanted to keep me a child. 821 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,208 I feel like she was trying to... 822 00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:53,875 yes, keep me from being a sexual being. 823 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Wow. Wow. 824 00:37:57,167 --> 00:37:59,250 Yeah. So... 825 00:37:59,375 --> 00:38:02,792 you were a willing participant in the lie. 826 00:38:02,875 --> 00:38:05,833 Yeah. We talked about me being a little obsessive-compulsive 827 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:07,500 and keeping the house right 828 00:38:07,625 --> 00:38:09,625 and making sure the kids' clothes were pressed, 829 00:38:09,708 --> 00:38:11,583 'cause I did iron their clothes for 'em. 830 00:38:11,667 --> 00:38:16,042 But it's not about lying about her being sexually abused 831 00:38:16,208 --> 00:38:18,583 or trying to be a perfect family. 832 00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:20,458 She's telling me she's being raped by my husband, 833 00:38:20,583 --> 00:38:23,583 but I won't let her be a little girl. 834 00:38:23,708 --> 00:38:25,333 Now, am I grooming her for her dad? 835 00:38:25,458 --> 00:38:27,208 I don't understand all that. 836 00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:29,375 We've got albums of seeing how she looked. 837 00:38:29,542 --> 00:38:30,833 You can see that I didn't dress her as a three-year-old 838 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,208 when she was 16. 839 00:38:33,375 --> 00:38:35,250 [Cindy] Turn around, darlin'. Say hello. 840 00:38:35,375 --> 00:38:36,667 -Hello. -You look beautiful. 841 00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:38,167 Thank you. 842 00:38:38,292 --> 00:38:40,708 Lookit. Casey's on stilts tonight. 843 00:38:40,875 --> 00:38:43,500 I'm gonna break my neck. 844 00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:46,625 Aw, look at how beautiful that little smile is. 845 00:38:46,708 --> 00:38:49,583 -Don't--Don't smooch her... -[laughs] 846 00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:50,458 -...and mess up her... -I'm not. 847 00:38:50,542 --> 00:38:51,458 ...her little bit of-- 848 00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:52,458 You're gonna mess up the makeup. 849 00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,500 -I was-- -...or her hair. 850 00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:57,917 [Harris] Let me ask you this. Do you know Caylee's dad? 851 00:38:58,042 --> 00:38:59,375 I have no clue. 852 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,625 First, she blamed her boyfriend, Jesse. 853 00:39:01,708 --> 00:39:04,333 And then after we find out from a paternity test, 854 00:39:04,458 --> 00:39:06,833 it's not Jesse, then she tells me 855 00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:10,875 that it's somebody else who's died in a car accident. 856 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,500 -The story is changing. -Story is constantly changing. 857 00:39:14,708 --> 00:39:16,958 [reporter] How did you get pregnant with Caylee? 858 00:39:17,042 --> 00:39:18,708 I was raped at 18. 859 00:39:18,875 --> 00:39:21,667 Raped at 18? 860 00:39:21,792 --> 00:39:23,042 [reporter] Did you report it to the police? 861 00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:25,667 -No. -Why not? 862 00:39:25,792 --> 00:39:28,042 I wasn't sure anyone would believe me. 863 00:39:28,167 --> 00:39:30,167 Oh, my... I never heard that. 864 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:33,333 First person that I would have told would have been my mom. 865 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,833 And would she have believed me? 866 00:39:35,958 --> 00:39:38,542 Would she have blamed me? 867 00:39:38,708 --> 00:39:41,500 [Harris] What's your reaction to... 868 00:39:41,583 --> 00:39:42,917 Wow. 869 00:39:43,042 --> 00:39:46,833 ...that the pregnancy was a result of the rape? 870 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,500 Maybe she was raped, but why wouldn't she tell me? 871 00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:52,958 She told me when she had sex for the first time, 872 00:39:53,083 --> 00:39:56,250 and did I yell at her? No. We sat on the bed. I hugged her. 873 00:39:56,375 --> 00:39:58,875 I was her buddy. We were best friends. 874 00:40:00,292 --> 00:40:04,875 ♪ 875 00:40:05,042 --> 00:40:06,708 My. 876 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:09,542 ♪♪ 877 00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:14,833 Casey has left me cards and stuff over the years. 878 00:40:14,958 --> 00:40:20,708 I pulled out most of 'em after... after. 879 00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:23,458 "Truly blessed to have the two of you in my life. 880 00:40:23,583 --> 00:40:26,167 I would have nothing without you." 881 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,000 And she signs it, "Love, Casey Marie." 882 00:40:29,083 --> 00:40:30,667 Mm-hmm. 883 00:40:30,833 --> 00:40:32,417 And this one-- 884 00:40:32,542 --> 00:40:35,208 "Words can't describe how grateful I am for you 885 00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:36,958 and all that you have done. 886 00:40:37,042 --> 00:40:40,125 You have given me so many things to be thankful for. 887 00:40:40,208 --> 00:40:42,792 You are such a great mother and now grandmother, 888 00:40:42,917 --> 00:40:45,292 but most importantly, such a great friend." 889 00:40:45,458 --> 00:40:46,917 [voice breaking] "I have you to thank 890 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:50,500 for all of my happiness and all my success. 891 00:40:50,625 --> 00:40:53,458 I thank God every day for having you in my life. 892 00:40:53,542 --> 00:40:56,167 I love you, Mom. I'm so proud to be your daughter." 893 00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,875 I hadn't read this one lately, 894 00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,000 so that was right after Caylee was born. 895 00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,625 I was her friend besides mother, 896 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:06,833 and that's what I always thought. 897 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,833 ♪ 898 00:41:08,917 --> 00:41:12,000 Well, that's--that's pretty heartbreaking. 899 00:41:12,125 --> 00:41:15,417 Yeah. Yeah. 900 00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:18,667 And then I... She--She got very hateful. 901 00:41:18,792 --> 00:41:21,833 "I'm going to once again ask to come and retrieve 902 00:41:21,917 --> 00:41:24,750 my daughter's ashes, as well as more of her property 903 00:41:24,875 --> 00:41:26,625 and anything else of mine that's still in your house." 904 00:41:26,708 --> 00:41:28,625 And I text back, "Sorry, 905 00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:31,042 but there is nothing here for you to pick up. 906 00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:32,708 I'm not parting with her ashes. 907 00:41:32,792 --> 00:41:34,708 That's all you gave me of her in the end. 908 00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:38,208 I'm not trying to be mean, but that's how I feel." 909 00:41:38,375 --> 00:41:41,500 This is her response, and this is the ugliest thing ever. 910 00:41:41,625 --> 00:41:47,250 "Stay with your murderous, adulterous, rapist husband. 911 00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:49,833 You don't deserve any part of her, 912 00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:52,500 and you will never again have any part of me. 913 00:41:52,708 --> 00:41:54,792 You choose your husband 914 00:41:54,875 --> 00:41:56,500 over both your grandchild and your children. 915 00:41:56,708 --> 00:41:59,042 Biggest mistake of your life. 916 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,167 I will be there to pick up my daughter's ashes 917 00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:02,958 when you're dead. 918 00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:06,292 Thank you for the ri--reminder of who you really are. 919 00:42:06,417 --> 00:42:09,542 Goodbye. I won't ever reach out again." 920 00:42:09,708 --> 00:42:12,833 It--I-I was so upset, I-I had to text her back. 921 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,083 "Your father didn't touch you or Caylee. 922 00:42:16,208 --> 00:42:18,542 You need help. How dare you? 923 00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:21,542 Don't ever say that I don't deserve any part of her. 924 00:42:21,667 --> 00:42:23,833 I fought for her when you put her in the woods 925 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:26,250 to rot and be eaten by animals and insects. 926 00:42:26,375 --> 00:42:28,542 Live with that." 927 00:42:28,667 --> 00:42:31,208 And then... 928 00:42:31,292 --> 00:42:35,583 I text her the images of Caylee's remains in the woods. 929 00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:38,625 I said, "This is what was left of Caylee when you-- 930 00:42:38,792 --> 00:42:41,417 when found, scattered all over the woods on Suburban. 931 00:42:41,583 --> 00:42:43,042 You put her there." 932 00:42:45,292 --> 00:42:48,167 ♪ 933 00:42:58,417 --> 00:43:02,042 I had always said she could have Caylee's ashes after I pass, 934 00:43:02,208 --> 00:43:04,167 but now I don't want her to have 'em, period. 935 00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:08,625 I will make sure I spread 'em somewhere before... 936 00:43:08,708 --> 00:43:10,500 before I pass, 937 00:43:10,625 --> 00:43:14,125 because she doesn't deserve them. 938 00:43:14,208 --> 00:43:17,708 So, now there's no hope of any reconciliation 939 00:43:17,875 --> 00:43:21,167 between not just with George, 940 00:43:21,333 --> 00:43:24,833 but now with me because of the blow-up that we had. 941 00:43:24,917 --> 00:43:26,750 And she thinks, "No longer can 942 00:43:26,875 --> 00:43:28,667 I have a relationship with my mom. 943 00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:30,583 So, now I can just let it all go, 944 00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:34,625 say what a bitch she is and how controlling she was." 945 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:37,125 You know, it all fits into her narrative now 946 00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:42,333 to make her look like the victim instead of... 947 00:43:42,417 --> 00:43:44,000 -Instead of... -...what she really is, 948 00:43:44,208 --> 00:43:46,500 Which is? 949 00:43:46,625 --> 00:43:48,542 Responsible for whatever happened to Caylee. 950 00:43:48,708 --> 00:43:50,583 I still don't know the truth. 951 00:43:50,708 --> 00:43:53,167 Do you believe your daughter knows what happened to-- 952 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:55,333 Yes, I believe 100%. 953 00:43:55,417 --> 00:43:58,958 And I kept hoping upon hope that she would confess. 954 00:43:59,083 --> 00:44:00,667 [voice breaking] And that's the only reason I've been 955 00:44:00,833 --> 00:44:02,667 put myself through all of her drama and everything. 956 00:44:02,792 --> 00:44:06,000 -Absolutely. -Absolutely correct. 957 00:44:06,125 --> 00:44:10,375 Since June 16, 2008, 958 00:44:10,542 --> 00:44:13,833 Caylee has been my number one priority 959 00:44:13,875 --> 00:44:17,833 as far as what happened to her and getting her back. 960 00:44:17,958 --> 00:44:21,500 I lost Casey and my granddaughter that day, 961 00:44:21,625 --> 00:44:23,500 but Caylee was always the priority. 962 00:44:23,583 --> 00:44:25,667 Caylee's always been the priority. 963 00:44:25,833 --> 00:44:27,542 That's been my focus and goal the whole time, 964 00:44:27,667 --> 00:44:30,500 is to find out the truth 965 00:44:30,542 --> 00:44:32,333 and to sit here and listen to her 966 00:44:32,375 --> 00:44:35,500 keep making different stories as it fits... 967 00:44:35,583 --> 00:44:39,000 ♪♪ 968 00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:42,542 I'm having a hard time. I'm having a panic attack. 969 00:44:42,708 --> 00:44:45,250 I'm sorry. [crying] 970 00:44:45,375 --> 00:44:47,667 -Okay. 971 00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:49,708 -I'm sorry. -No, that's fine. 972 00:44:49,833 --> 00:44:51,458 [Cindy gasping] 973 00:44:51,583 --> 00:44:54,583 ♪ 974 00:44:54,708 --> 00:44:58,167 [Cindy crying shakily] 975 00:45:01,917 --> 00:45:04,417 [Cindy exhaling deeply] 976 00:45:13,792 --> 00:45:15,917 -[Cindy exhales deeply] -Okay. 977 00:45:16,083 --> 00:45:17,292 [exhales deeply] 978 00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,292 [sighs] 979 00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:35,625 All right, Cindy, you can go ahead, have a seat, and, uh, 980 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:37,083 I'm gonna ask you some questions, 981 00:45:37,208 --> 00:45:38,917 then obviously to get to know you a little better 982 00:45:39,042 --> 00:45:41,375 so that the questions mean something to you. 983 00:45:41,542 --> 00:45:43,458 How much sleep did you get last night? 984 00:45:43,583 --> 00:45:44,792 Maybe four hours. 985 00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,833 Feel rested enough to be focused right now? 986 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,125 -Yeah, I believe so. -Okay, good, good. 987 00:45:49,292 --> 00:45:51,875 Now, you've been married to George out there for how long? 988 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,583 -42 years we've been married. -Wow. 989 00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:55,167 -42 and a half years. -Congratulations. 990 00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:56,542 Thank you. 991 00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:58,083 Uh, not too many people can say that. 992 00:45:58,208 --> 00:46:01,000 So, how would you rate your relationship with George, 993 00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:02,500 your husband, on a scale of one to 10? 994 00:46:02,583 --> 00:46:05,667 One, horrible--you fight all the time, and 10 is perfect. 995 00:46:05,833 --> 00:46:08,417 Probably a six or seven. 996 00:46:08,542 --> 00:46:10,167 Six or seven? Okay. 997 00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:12,958 -It's never been perfect. -Okay. 998 00:46:13,083 --> 00:46:15,417 We were not on the same page for quite a while. 999 00:46:15,583 --> 00:46:16,875 [Olivo] Okay. 1000 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,667 [Cindy] You know, during this whole thing. 1001 00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:21,667 Did putting your marriage at a six to seven hurt? 1002 00:46:21,833 --> 00:46:23,125 [George] Yeah, it does. 1003 00:46:23,208 --> 00:46:25,500 But then again, that's--that's just her. 1004 00:46:25,667 --> 00:46:29,000 What is the biggest disagreement that you and George have had 1005 00:46:29,125 --> 00:46:33,000 regarding this--this whole issue with Casey and Caylee? 1006 00:46:33,167 --> 00:46:36,125 He thinks Casey may have drugged Caylee. 1007 00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:38,375 And that came from the sheriff's department. 1008 00:46:38,542 --> 00:46:41,250 -I believe he was brainwashed. -Into thinking that? 1009 00:46:41,375 --> 00:46:42,833 Into thinking that 1010 00:46:42,917 --> 00:46:44,500 because the sheriff's department tried to do it with me, 1011 00:46:44,583 --> 00:46:45,958 [laughs] and I was... -Yeah. 1012 00:46:46,083 --> 00:46:47,167 Like, there was no evidence of it. 1013 00:46:47,333 --> 00:46:49,000 You wouldn't have it. 1014 00:46:49,125 --> 00:46:50,750 So, what do you think? What was your theory then? 1015 00:46:50,875 --> 00:46:52,667 Prior to trial, Jose, her attorney, 1016 00:46:52,833 --> 00:46:55,125 called me in, wouldn't tell me why. Just me. 1017 00:46:55,250 --> 00:47:00,250 He goes, "Casey wants you to know how Caylee died." 1018 00:47:00,375 --> 00:47:03,167 And he grabbed me 'cause he knew I was probably gonna faint. 1019 00:47:03,375 --> 00:47:05,833 And he goes, "She drowned in the pool." 1020 00:47:05,958 --> 00:47:07,167 [voice breaking] And I said, 1021 00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:09,000 "What the hell did she put us through all this? 1022 00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:11,167 What the heck? If it was an accident, 1023 00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:13,333 we could have taken care of her right then and there." 1024 00:47:13,417 --> 00:47:16,417 He goes, "I have to explain away her actions. 1025 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:18,375 Someone has to take the fall for it," and he said, 1026 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:19,833 "It's gonna have to be George. 1027 00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:22,250 No one else will believe anything," and I looked at him 1028 00:47:22,375 --> 00:47:24,417 and I said, "You're not doing anything to George." 1029 00:47:24,542 --> 00:47:27,333 Why do you believe she believes that account and not yours? 1030 00:47:27,375 --> 00:47:30,083 [scoffs] 1031 00:47:30,208 --> 00:47:35,333 She just believes Casey more than she does me. 1032 00:47:35,417 --> 00:47:37,458 She just does. 1033 00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:38,958 Because I-I know one thing. 1034 00:47:39,083 --> 00:47:42,333 I don't believe anything that J-J-Jose Baez ever said. 1035 00:47:42,542 --> 00:47:45,708 I still believe that Caylee was given some kind of drug 1036 00:47:45,875 --> 00:47:47,833 to go to sleep 'cause I feel she wanted 1037 00:47:47,917 --> 00:47:49,833 to be out having fun with her friends. 1038 00:47:49,917 --> 00:47:51,792 You know how hard it was for me to go 1039 00:47:51,875 --> 00:47:53,417 in front of the grand jury? 1040 00:47:53,542 --> 00:47:55,583 They kept on asking me the same kind of questions. 1041 00:47:55,708 --> 00:47:58,500 The--Who do you believe is-- is responsible? Casey. 1042 00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:01,083 No matter what happened-- drowning, giving her something-- 1043 00:48:01,208 --> 00:48:02,625 And you said that before the grand jury? 1044 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:04,333 I most certainly did, sir. 1045 00:48:04,375 --> 00:48:06,708 I most certainly did. I didn't pull any punches. 1046 00:48:06,833 --> 00:48:09,000 I will go probably to my grave always believing 1047 00:48:09,125 --> 00:48:12,833 that Casey harmed Caylee. 1048 00:48:15,375 --> 00:48:21,208 ♪ 1049 00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:23,583 Look, the burning question has always been, 1050 00:48:23,708 --> 00:48:27,917 what happened to Caylee on the day she disappeared? 1051 00:48:28,042 --> 00:48:31,833 This is extremely important for George and I. 1052 00:48:31,958 --> 00:48:35,542 This is what we had disagreed upon 1053 00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:38,167 for the last 15 years. 1054 00:48:38,333 --> 00:48:40,417 Casey has a completely new version 1055 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,792 of what happened on the day Caylee disappeared, 1056 00:48:43,875 --> 00:48:46,417 and it all starts with George waking her up 1057 00:48:46,542 --> 00:48:48,625 and with Caylee nowhere to be found. 1058 00:48:48,792 --> 00:48:50,250 [Casey] They came back around towards the front porch. 1059 00:48:50,375 --> 00:48:52,542 He's standing there with her. 1060 00:48:52,708 --> 00:48:54,167 She's soaking wet. 1061 00:48:54,292 --> 00:48:56,125 ♪ 1062 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:59,708 I can see him standing there with her in his arms 1063 00:48:59,833 --> 00:49:02,667 and hand her to me 1064 00:49:02,792 --> 00:49:07,792 and telling me that it's my fault, that I did that, 1065 00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,500 that I caused that, 1066 00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:12,833 and I just collapsed with her in my arms. 1067 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,875 Casey knows CPR. I made her take classes. 1068 00:49:17,042 --> 00:49:18,333 He takes her from me, 1069 00:49:18,458 --> 00:49:20,000 and he immediately softens his tone 1070 00:49:20,167 --> 00:49:22,167 and tells me "It's gonna be okay," 1071 00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:25,083 that she was going to be okay. 1072 00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:28,042 That's what he said to me. 1073 00:49:28,167 --> 00:49:31,542 [sniffles] I wanted to believe him 1074 00:49:31,708 --> 00:49:33,833 because I wanted her to be okay. 1075 00:49:33,958 --> 00:49:36,958 She can say that so easy. 1076 00:49:37,083 --> 00:49:38,833 And, George, you're hearing this 1077 00:49:38,958 --> 00:49:41,458 from your daughter's mouth for the first time. 1078 00:49:41,583 --> 00:49:43,083 -That did not friggin' happen. -Does that make sense 1079 00:49:43,208 --> 00:49:46,458 to any rational person, any sane person? 1080 00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:49,000 You would hand off a lifeless baby soaking wet 1081 00:49:49,083 --> 00:49:51,000 and not attempt to... -"Here. You take care of her." 1082 00:49:51,167 --> 00:49:52,833 -I don't do that kind of stuff. -...do something, plus... 1083 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,333 Yeah. -...George knew CPR 1084 00:49:54,417 --> 00:49:56,167 from the sheriff's department. 1085 00:49:56,375 --> 00:49:57,333 -He was certified. -But, George, you would know, 1086 00:49:57,417 --> 00:49:59,000 wouldn't you? -[George] Oh, absolutely. 1087 00:49:59,125 --> 00:50:00,250 -He was certified in CPR. -And it was child-- 1088 00:50:00,375 --> 00:50:02,000 You better start speaking up for yourself. 1089 00:50:02,083 --> 00:50:04,125 -Well, I'm fine. -This is all coming down on you. 1090 00:50:04,208 --> 00:50:06,042 -I know it is. -And--And if you've got 1091 00:50:06,208 --> 00:50:08,125 information that refutes this, 1092 00:50:08,208 --> 00:50:10,125 you need to speak up for yourself. 1093 00:50:10,208 --> 00:50:12,333 Well, I understand that. Everything I know 1094 00:50:12,458 --> 00:50:14,208 that Casey is saying right there is a lie. 1095 00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:16,083 But I'm gonna tell you something. 1096 00:50:16,208 --> 00:50:19,292 I don't believe that our daughter... 1097 00:50:19,375 --> 00:50:25,042 could leave her daughter in my arms, soaking wet. 1098 00:50:25,167 --> 00:50:26,292 That does not compute in my life. 1099 00:50:26,417 --> 00:50:27,875 It will never compute in my life. 1100 00:50:28,042 --> 00:50:29,792 I may wear this theme out. 1101 00:50:29,875 --> 00:50:31,458 -Wear it out. -But I--Okay. 1102 00:50:31,583 --> 00:50:34,792 What is the nugget of truth in this story 1103 00:50:34,875 --> 00:50:37,167 of what happened that day 1104 00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:39,875 based on the story she's telling us? 1105 00:50:40,042 --> 00:50:42,667 The first nugget of truth was Casey woke up... 1106 00:50:42,833 --> 00:50:45,708 ♪ 1107 00:50:45,833 --> 00:50:49,208 ...couldn't find Caylee, so that means she was distracted, 1108 00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,167 didn't know where Caylee was at. 1109 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:57,000 She finds her in the pool, lifeless, panics. 1110 00:50:57,167 --> 00:51:00,250 The reason she brings George into it is because 1111 00:51:00,375 --> 00:51:03,292 who did Jose say he was gonna throw under the bus 1112 00:51:03,375 --> 00:51:06,125 to save Casey's life from the death penalty 1113 00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:08,000 and life in prison? 1114 00:51:08,083 --> 00:51:10,125 George, based on the fact-- 1115 00:51:10,208 --> 00:51:11,792 Because this is what she's saying in her own words now. 1116 00:51:11,875 --> 00:51:15,167 There's no--There's no Jose Baez sitting next to her. 1117 00:51:15,292 --> 00:51:18,708 Right, but Jose is the one that put the idea in her head. 1118 00:51:18,833 --> 00:51:21,125 Why is she--she is acquitted. 1119 00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:23,125 She doesn't have to tell the story. 1120 00:51:23,292 --> 00:51:24,833 Do you see what I'm saying? So, why is she-- 1121 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,958 Yeah. No, I think Casey has thought 1122 00:51:27,042 --> 00:51:30,042 about that over the years... -And created it 1123 00:51:30,167 --> 00:51:31,667 ...and she created it in her mind to cope... 1124 00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:33,000 With? 1125 00:51:33,083 --> 00:51:36,167 ...with Caylee's drowning on her watch. 1126 00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:38,208 Does that sound reasonable to you? 1127 00:51:38,375 --> 00:51:41,333 It does sound reasonable. Reasonable. 1128 00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:43,375 But that's the nugget of truth, George. 1129 00:51:43,542 --> 00:51:47,333 I understand that, but also with me being out there 1130 00:51:47,417 --> 00:51:49,500 and bringing Caylee in to give her to her, 1131 00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:52,000 that's a really big f-fabrication, 1132 00:51:52,167 --> 00:51:54,500 'cause it did not friggin' happen that way. 1133 00:51:54,625 --> 00:51:55,625 [voice breaking] It did not happen that-- 1134 00:51:55,708 --> 00:51:57,292 I don't believe that--Oh. 1135 00:51:57,458 --> 00:52:00,000 How many times I will hear, well, she drowned in the pool. 1136 00:52:00,083 --> 00:52:01,833 She drowned in the pool. People wanna say that. 1137 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,667 You wanna say it, that's fine. I know what my feelings are. 1138 00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:08,625 I-I know what I saw, and evidence. I saw it. 1139 00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:10,625 -Let me stop him right there. -Okay, fine. 1140 00:52:10,708 --> 00:52:12,167 -No, listen, listen-- -You know something? 1141 00:52:12,292 --> 00:52:13,500 -This--This is over for me. -No, George-- 1142 00:52:13,583 --> 00:52:15,167 This--This is done. This is done. 1143 00:52:15,292 --> 00:52:15,917 -Tony--Tony-- -I will not... 1144 00:52:16,042 --> 00:52:17,583 Tony, did I-- 1145 00:52:17,708 --> 00:52:19,500 ...stand here, and--and you keep defending her. She is no-- 1146 00:52:19,625 --> 00:52:21,083 -I'm not--I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are. 1147 00:52:21,208 --> 00:52:22,542 -Tell him I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are. 1148 00:52:22,708 --> 00:52:23,667 -But I-- -Yes, you are. 1149 00:52:23,875 --> 00:52:25,125 -Can I-- -Can I just-- 1150 00:52:25,208 --> 00:52:26,458 -Can I--Can I... -Yes. 1151 00:52:26,583 --> 00:52:27,792 ...suggest what the bridge is? Can I tell-- 1152 00:52:27,875 --> 00:52:29,375 Can I suggest what the bridge is? 1153 00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,958 It's him not listening to what I said. 1154 00:52:31,042 --> 00:52:34,583 I have no idea how what you said, 1155 00:52:34,708 --> 00:52:39,167 and maybe even the way you said it, impacted him. 1156 00:52:39,292 --> 00:52:42,167 But the three of us have got to work together 1157 00:52:42,375 --> 00:52:43,833 if we're gonna get through this. -Right. 1158 00:52:43,958 --> 00:52:46,250 Because there's still a piece of this allegation 1159 00:52:46,375 --> 00:52:48,667 that you haven't heard, and it's big. 1160 00:52:48,792 --> 00:52:51,250 The lead investigator of Casey's defense team, 1161 00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:53,375 Pat McKenna, sat down with Casey. 1162 00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,083 Uh, I want you both to have a look. 1163 00:52:56,208 --> 00:52:59,375 We never discussed this, but when he abused you, 1164 00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,750 was there... anything that he did that 1165 00:53:02,875 --> 00:53:05,333 you would make you think he did that to Caylee 1166 00:53:05,417 --> 00:53:06,583 to cause the accident? -[Casey] Absolutely. 1167 00:53:06,708 --> 00:53:08,458 -Yeah. -Absolutely. 1168 00:53:08,625 --> 00:53:11,708 If I didn't want to or if I said no... 1169 00:53:11,875 --> 00:53:14,875 [sighs and sniffles] 1170 00:53:15,042 --> 00:53:16,333 he'd put a pillow over my face 1171 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,125 and he'd smother me to knock me out. 1172 00:53:18,208 --> 00:53:21,708 [McKenna] That could be the accident. 1173 00:53:21,833 --> 00:53:23,458 [Casey] Possible. [cries] 1174 00:53:23,542 --> 00:53:26,458 This stitched-together allegation now, 1175 00:53:26,583 --> 00:53:30,208 is that you may have smothered Caylee 1176 00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:32,542 while abusing her sexually 1177 00:53:32,625 --> 00:53:35,167 and made it look like a drowning to cover it up. 1178 00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:37,125 Do you wanna say anything to that? 1179 00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:38,583 That's a lie. 1180 00:53:38,708 --> 00:53:42,000 That is a lie. I would never do that. 1181 00:53:42,083 --> 00:53:43,333 I haven't done that. 1182 00:53:43,417 --> 00:53:45,375 It's not in my brain to do anything like that 1183 00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:47,875 to my daughter, but especially my granddaughter. 1184 00:53:48,042 --> 00:53:50,333 Oh, my gosh. That's... That's one of the cruelest things 1185 00:53:50,417 --> 00:53:53,583 I have ever been accused of in my life. 1186 00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:56,250 -The cruelest, yes. -It is. It's... 1187 00:53:56,375 --> 00:54:00,542 Why is the daughter the two of you raised 1188 00:54:00,708 --> 00:54:04,792 making the cruelest accusation against her father? 1189 00:54:04,875 --> 00:54:09,625 ♪♪ 1190 00:54:13,625 --> 00:54:15,542 So, I'm gonna tell you about polygraph, what it is 1191 00:54:15,542 --> 00:54:17,208 and how it works. It's based on the autonomic nervous system, 1192 00:54:17,375 --> 00:54:18,417 that fight or flight response... -Right. 1193 00:54:18,542 --> 00:54:20,125 ...you know about. The same phenomenon, 1194 00:54:20,208 --> 00:54:22,542 that fight or flight response, occurs when someone tells a lie. 1195 00:54:22,708 --> 00:54:24,500 And it's the perception of jeopardy, 1196 00:54:24,625 --> 00:54:26,500 of getting caught in a lie. So, you said that you're, 1197 00:54:26,667 --> 00:54:28,708 you know, painfully honest, right? 1198 00:54:28,875 --> 00:54:30,333 -I call people out. -So, on a scale of one to 10, 1199 00:54:30,458 --> 00:54:32,000 you're a 10 on honesty, right? 1200 00:54:32,167 --> 00:54:33,417 -I tell the truth all the time. -Okay. 1201 00:54:33,542 --> 00:54:35,292 -It's important. -Okay. 1202 00:54:35,375 --> 00:54:37,292 Unless it's in someone's best interest... [laughs] 1203 00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,667 Like, if it's, you know... 1204 00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:43,875 To me, that's not a-a... an untruthful lie. It's just a-- 1205 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,750 It's a truthful lie. 1206 00:54:46,875 --> 00:54:49,750 ♪ 1207 00:55:13,583 --> 00:55:16,417 So, this whole time when Caylee was missing. 1208 00:55:16,583 --> 00:55:18,708 and everybody was frantic, looking for her, 1209 00:55:18,833 --> 00:55:20,875 the whole idea, or the whole questioning here, 1210 00:55:20,958 --> 00:55:23,208 has to do with if George knew anything about it. 1211 00:55:23,375 --> 00:55:26,667 My question is here, if George ever told you 1212 00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:28,417 anything about him being involved 1213 00:55:28,542 --> 00:55:31,333 in Caylee's disappearance. -No. 1214 00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:33,333 -If there was any inkling... -Right. 1215 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:35,167 ...I would have alerted the sheriff's department. 1216 00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:37,167 Even covering up what happened to her, 1217 00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:40,333 even if it was an accident, is still a crime. 1218 00:55:40,417 --> 00:55:42,750 As you look at her here, are you anxious? 1219 00:55:42,875 --> 00:55:45,125 Are you nervous? Are you confident? 1220 00:55:45,208 --> 00:55:46,875 I'm anxious for this to get done for her. 1221 00:55:47,042 --> 00:55:48,333 Yeah. 1222 00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:50,000 Okay, so the test is about to begin. 1223 00:55:50,167 --> 00:55:51,417 Please remain still. 1224 00:55:51,542 --> 00:55:53,792 Regarding George, confirming his involvement 1225 00:55:53,917 --> 00:55:57,000 in Caylee's death, do you intend to lie on this test? 1226 00:55:57,083 --> 00:55:58,167 No. 1227 00:55:58,292 --> 00:56:00,625 Did George ever confirm 1228 00:56:00,708 --> 00:56:01,958 that he was actively involved in Caylee's death? 1229 00:56:02,083 --> 00:56:03,333 No. 1230 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:05,083 Did George ever confirm 1231 00:56:05,208 --> 00:56:08,708 that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance? 1232 00:56:08,875 --> 00:56:09,958 No. 1233 00:56:10,083 --> 00:56:12,417 Did George ever say that he knew where Caylee was 1234 00:56:12,542 --> 00:56:14,500 while she was missing? 1235 00:56:14,583 --> 00:56:15,917 No. 1236 00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:19,000 This part of the test is over. Please remain still. 1237 00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:21,417 Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff, 1238 00:56:21,542 --> 00:56:23,458 all the stuff she's been through 1239 00:56:23,542 --> 00:56:26,333 with me, with our daughter. 1240 00:56:28,417 --> 00:56:30,833 [Olivo] All right, go ahead and recover, Cindy. 1241 00:56:30,958 --> 00:56:32,833 So, I'm gonna go ahead and analyze the data. 1242 00:56:32,958 --> 00:56:34,292 I think I have enough here, okay? 1243 00:56:34,417 --> 00:56:35,583 And then we'll get the results to you... 1244 00:56:35,708 --> 00:56:37,458 -Okay. -...uh, in a couple of days. 1245 00:56:37,625 --> 00:56:39,167 I mean, it is what it is. 1246 00:56:39,292 --> 00:56:41,667 I mean, you can't... 1247 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:44,167 I... You can't change what you know or you don't know. 1248 00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:45,583 [Olivo] Exactly. 1249 00:56:45,708 --> 00:56:46,958 -She's all done. -[Olivo] Thank you. 1250 00:56:47,042 --> 00:56:48,292 -I think so, yeah. -Yeah. 1251 00:56:48,375 --> 00:56:50,250 Feel free to stand up whenever you're ready. 1252 00:56:50,375 --> 00:56:51,708 -[groans] -So you can stretch your legs. 1253 00:56:51,833 --> 00:56:53,500 -I'm stiff. -I know. I know it hurts. 1254 00:56:53,625 --> 00:56:55,458 [Cindy sighs heavily] 1255 00:56:55,583 --> 00:56:58,667 [Harris] For 31 days after her daughter's death, 1256 00:56:58,792 --> 00:57:01,417 Casey admits to hiding this tragedy from everyone, 1257 00:57:01,542 --> 00:57:02,917 including the authorities. 1258 00:57:03,042 --> 00:57:04,750 But there have long been these theories 1259 00:57:04,875 --> 00:57:06,583 that other people, other parties 1260 00:57:06,708 --> 00:57:09,833 were involved in the concealment of the crime as well. 1261 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000 This is another chapter in this story. 1262 00:57:12,125 --> 00:57:14,667 This is, in some ways, the most compelling part 1263 00:57:14,833 --> 00:57:17,500 of the story for me, these 31 days. 1264 00:57:17,625 --> 00:57:20,792 That is the next portion that I wanna take apart... 1265 00:57:20,875 --> 00:57:22,667 -[Cindy] Okay. -...in some detail. 1266 00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:26,667 Now we're at a place where Casey is telling 1267 00:57:26,792 --> 00:57:29,625 an entirely different story about the events of those days. 1268 00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:32,000 -Yeah. -[Casey] During the 31 days, 1269 00:57:32,083 --> 00:57:34,500 I genuinely believed that Caylee was still alive. 1270 00:57:34,625 --> 00:57:37,000 My father kept telling me she was okay. 1271 00:57:37,208 --> 00:57:40,167 I just had to keep following his instructions. 1272 00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:42,833 -What a good actress you are. -She is an actress. 1273 00:57:42,917 --> 00:57:45,375 [George] She can get an Academy Award for this one. 1274 00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:47,500 What's in her head, in her heart, 1275 00:57:47,625 --> 00:57:49,833 where she could say something like that? 1276 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,500 When someone can't deal with themselves, 1277 00:57:53,583 --> 00:57:54,833 with what they did, they project it 1278 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,625 onto someone else or make excuses. 1279 00:57:57,792 --> 00:57:59,375 I mean, come on, girl. She's... 1280 00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:01,667 She can't keep her story straight. 1281 00:58:01,833 --> 00:58:04,458 If I'm to believe your daughter, you gave her instructions 1282 00:58:04,542 --> 00:58:06,583 on how to behave in those 31 days. 1283 00:58:06,708 --> 00:58:07,917 -Did you speak to her? -No, I did not. 1284 00:58:08,042 --> 00:58:09,417 -Did you text her? -No, I did not. 1285 00:58:09,542 --> 00:58:10,792 Did you receive a text from her? 1286 00:58:10,875 --> 00:58:12,458 No, I did not. 1287 00:58:12,583 --> 00:58:14,042 How did you receive any information 1288 00:58:14,208 --> 00:58:17,792 about your daughter during these 31 days? 1289 00:58:17,875 --> 00:58:21,208 Through Cindy. Cindy told me that she had talked to Casey. 1290 00:58:21,375 --> 00:58:23,625 Everything is good, uh, Caylee's fine, 1291 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,250 blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff. 1292 00:58:25,375 --> 00:58:26,542 So, I believed each time she told me. 1293 00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:28,292 So, you were in touch with her. 1294 00:58:28,375 --> 00:58:29,667 Yeah, I talked to her almost every day, 1295 00:58:29,833 --> 00:58:31,333 and I told the sheriff's department that. 1296 00:58:31,458 --> 00:58:33,000 They had our phone records. 1297 00:58:33,083 --> 00:58:36,917 They could verify if she talked to her dad or to me. 1298 00:58:37,042 --> 00:58:40,833 So, I-I called more for Caylee than I did for Casey. 1299 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,167 A month is a long time not to see your granddaughter 1300 00:58:43,292 --> 00:58:46,167 who lived with you for almost three full years. 1301 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:49,667 And--And the problem that many people in the public 1302 00:58:49,792 --> 00:58:52,833 have with you during this period is that you--you appear 1303 00:58:52,958 --> 00:58:55,583 to be very accepting of what your daughter was-- 1304 00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:58,750 -But I wasn't. -It sounded that way publicly. 1305 00:58:58,875 --> 00:58:59,917 Can you acknowledge that, that it-- 1306 00:59:00,042 --> 00:59:02,500 Because publicly, during all this time, 1307 00:59:02,583 --> 00:59:03,667 they didn't know what I did. 1308 00:59:03,792 --> 00:59:05,458 They didn't know that I called every day. 1309 00:59:05,583 --> 00:59:07,333 They didn't know that I hounded her brother, 1310 00:59:07,417 --> 00:59:08,958 "Have you seen your sister?" 1311 00:59:09,083 --> 00:59:11,042 Think the other thing you didn't do was call the authorities... 1312 00:59:11,167 --> 00:59:12,375 -But why-- -...that my-- 1313 00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:13,500 -Okay. -..."that my daughter 1314 00:59:13,667 --> 00:59:15,333 and my granddaughter are missing," 1315 00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:17,000 and, George, you didn't either. 1316 00:59:17,083 --> 00:59:18,625 So, I'm just saying, in my time with you, 1317 00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:21,000 you don't strike me as a woman who would accept that. 1318 00:59:21,083 --> 00:59:24,292 -How did we get the 31 days? -Okay, but why would I call? 1319 00:59:24,375 --> 00:59:25,833 Okay, think about it. 1320 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,667 21-year-old mother with her-- her own baby. 1321 00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:32,958 Casey told me Caylee was fine. 1322 00:59:33,042 --> 00:59:36,708 Her story is that she dropped the baby off at the babysitter-- 1323 00:59:36,833 --> 00:59:39,958 Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, who does not exist. 1324 00:59:40,042 --> 00:59:41,708 Why am I gonna call the authorities 1325 00:59:41,875 --> 00:59:43,792 and say, "Hey, Casey's in Jacksonville, 1326 00:59:43,917 --> 00:59:46,583 won't bring my granddaughter home so I can see her"? 1327 00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:48,708 They're gonna think I'm frickin' nuts. 1328 00:59:48,833 --> 00:59:51,208 So, I think I behaved pretty dang-on... 1329 00:59:51,333 --> 00:59:53,667 -Okay. -...reasonable. 1330 00:59:53,792 --> 00:59:56,292 [Cindy] I mean, who's the truthful one in this house? 1331 00:59:56,375 --> 00:59:58,292 Who is? 1332 00:59:58,375 --> 01:00:01,000 Now is the time where I need to tell you. We need to focus. 1333 01:00:01,167 --> 01:00:02,625 We need to focus on the right thing. 1334 01:00:02,792 --> 01:00:04,167 We don't need to focus on creating stories, 1335 01:00:04,292 --> 01:00:06,833 changing testimonies, changing what we said. We have all-- 1336 01:00:06,958 --> 01:00:09,125 I'm not changing anything I ever said. 1337 01:00:09,208 --> 01:00:11,125 We are focusing on trying to find Caylee. 1338 01:00:11,208 --> 01:00:12,917 That's it. That's all. 1339 01:00:13,042 --> 01:00:14,500 [Harris] People have always suspected you 1340 01:00:14,625 --> 01:00:17,042 of lying to protect Casey, 1341 01:00:17,167 --> 01:00:19,667 but Casey says that George was behind all of it, so... 1342 01:00:19,792 --> 01:00:23,625 so I'm wondering if you might have been lying 1343 01:00:23,708 --> 01:00:25,083 to protect him as well. 1344 01:00:25,250 --> 01:00:27,042 [exhales deeply] 1345 01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:30,458 Pretty soon here, we'll have the results of the polygraph. 1346 01:00:30,542 --> 01:00:32,917 It's wrapped for-- for Cindy right now. 1347 01:00:33,042 --> 01:00:35,458 You wanna head over now and get set up for your final test? 1348 01:00:35,542 --> 01:00:38,375 ♪♪ 1349 01:00:41,083 --> 01:00:44,083 [Olivo] Okay, so let's go through these questions, then. 1350 01:00:44,208 --> 01:00:46,667 [sighs] So, one of the questions, uh, that comes up 1351 01:00:46,792 --> 01:00:48,833 is--has to do with Caylee's, 1352 01:00:48,958 --> 01:00:50,500 obviously, her disappearance. 1353 01:00:50,667 --> 01:00:53,292 And so, when I ask you about actively 1354 01:00:53,375 --> 01:00:55,167 causing the disappearance, 1355 01:00:55,292 --> 01:00:57,667 what I mean is that you physically did something 1356 01:00:57,792 --> 01:01:01,125 to move her or hide her or something like that, right? 1357 01:01:01,250 --> 01:01:03,667 So, the question I'll ask you on the test will be, 1358 01:01:03,792 --> 01:01:06,375 did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1359 01:01:06,542 --> 01:01:08,167 -How would you answer that? -No. 1360 01:01:08,292 --> 01:01:11,542 Okay, very good. Another question similar to that is, uh, 1361 01:01:11,708 --> 01:01:15,042 did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1362 01:01:15,167 --> 01:01:19,208 No. I mean, I... I didn't know where she was at. 1363 01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:21,917 Correct. That's all I'm asking. So, the question again-- 1364 01:01:22,042 --> 01:01:24,958 did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1365 01:01:25,042 --> 01:01:26,292 ♪♪ 1366 01:01:26,417 --> 01:01:28,167 No. 1367 01:01:28,208 --> 01:01:30,042 Okay, so you're struggling with that one a little bit. 1368 01:01:30,167 --> 01:01:31,333 Tell me why. 1369 01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:33,125 Maybe it's because I-I... 1370 01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:34,958 it was so close to our house... -Yeah. 1371 01:01:35,042 --> 01:01:37,000 -...that she was found. -Right. 1372 01:01:37,125 --> 01:01:39,000 -Um... -But think about the times 1373 01:01:39,125 --> 01:01:41,000 you went out looking for her. -Yes. 1374 01:01:41,167 --> 01:01:42,625 Did you know where she was that whole time? 1375 01:01:42,708 --> 01:01:44,500 -No. -Are you sure? 1376 01:01:44,583 --> 01:01:46,208 I-I didn't know where she was at. 1377 01:01:46,375 --> 01:01:47,625 -Okay. That's all I'm asking. -I did not know. 1378 01:01:47,708 --> 01:01:49,167 That's all I'm asking you. 1379 01:01:49,292 --> 01:01:51,833 Okay, George? Kind of pull it together. 1380 01:01:51,917 --> 01:01:54,208 I just was v-visualizing the-- the woods at the moment. 1381 01:01:54,375 --> 01:01:55,667 -I'm sorry. -You--The what? 1382 01:01:55,833 --> 01:01:57,208 -The woods where she was found. -Yes. Yes. 1383 01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:59,000 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 1384 01:01:59,083 --> 01:02:01,208 [Olivo] Okay, you're gonna have to compartmentalize. 1385 01:02:01,333 --> 01:02:02,708 -Okay. -Right now, 1386 01:02:02,875 --> 01:02:05,292 as you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts? 1387 01:02:05,375 --> 01:02:07,417 Did I conceal her whereabouts? 1388 01:02:07,542 --> 01:02:10,500 ♪♪ 1389 01:02:10,583 --> 01:02:11,667 [stammers] 1390 01:02:11,792 --> 01:02:13,792 I did not know where she was at. 1391 01:02:13,917 --> 01:02:15,500 [Olivo] Okay, so why are you struggling with that? 1392 01:02:15,667 --> 01:02:21,667 ♪ 1393 01:02:21,833 --> 01:02:23,833 [sighs] Oh, man. 1394 01:02:30,083 --> 01:02:32,583 As you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts? 1395 01:02:32,667 --> 01:02:34,625 Did I conceal her whereabouts? 1396 01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:37,667 ♪ 1397 01:02:37,833 --> 01:02:39,000 [stammers] 1398 01:02:39,083 --> 01:02:41,042 I did not know where she was at. 1399 01:02:41,208 --> 01:02:43,000 Okay, so why are you struggling with that? 1400 01:02:43,167 --> 01:02:47,042 ♪ 1401 01:02:49,208 --> 01:02:51,000 [sighs] Oh, man. 1402 01:02:53,375 --> 01:02:54,833 -Tell me why. -I-I mean-- 1403 01:02:54,958 --> 01:02:56,042 I'm happy to modify the question if I have to... 1404 01:02:56,208 --> 01:02:57,667 I'm--I'm--I'm-- 1405 01:02:57,792 --> 01:02:59,542 ...but I need to know why you're struggling. 1406 01:02:59,708 --> 01:03:00,833 I did--I did not know where Caylee was at. 1407 01:03:00,958 --> 01:03:03,083 All you gotta do is say no, then. 1408 01:03:03,208 --> 01:03:05,750 I have no reason to doubt you at this point. 1409 01:03:05,875 --> 01:03:08,917 If someone stumbles on a question during the test, 1410 01:03:09,042 --> 01:03:11,708 once we've already discussed it and explained it, 1411 01:03:11,833 --> 01:03:13,542 and they say they're okay with it, 1412 01:03:13,708 --> 01:03:16,000 and they still stumble on it, at first, I'm gonna assume 1413 01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:17,833 that they're just nervous 1414 01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:20,250 or that they just didn't understand or hear me properly. 1415 01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:21,958 Uh, but if they continue to struggle with it, 1416 01:03:22,083 --> 01:03:23,750 then we have to talk about it some more. 1417 01:03:23,917 --> 01:03:25,458 There may be an issue there. 1418 01:03:25,583 --> 01:03:28,708 ♪ 1419 01:03:28,875 --> 01:03:30,542 George, I...I'm wondering about this one moment 1420 01:03:30,708 --> 01:03:34,500 in--in the run-up to the actual test, 1421 01:03:34,667 --> 01:03:36,875 there was a question about concealment. 1422 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,292 -You remember that question? -Yes. 1423 01:03:39,417 --> 01:03:41,708 There seemed to be either some...a lack of clarity, 1424 01:03:41,875 --> 01:03:44,208 confusion on your part. 1425 01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:47,333 It wasn't that I didn't understand the question. 1426 01:03:47,458 --> 01:03:50,625 It's just that I just was overthinking some stuff 1427 01:03:50,708 --> 01:03:51,958 in that moment. -Yes. 1428 01:03:52,042 --> 01:03:55,000 In that moment that... I'm almost ready to cry, 1429 01:03:55,083 --> 01:03:57,792 I stumbled for a moment 'cause I was visualizing 1430 01:03:57,875 --> 01:04:00,333 where Caylee was at or where she was found. 1431 01:04:00,458 --> 01:04:01,917 Who put her there? 1432 01:04:02,042 --> 01:04:03,875 Why am I being blamed? 'Cause I didn't do it. 1433 01:04:04,042 --> 01:04:06,333 I've always blamed myself from day one that I didn't-- 1434 01:04:06,417 --> 01:04:08,167 I was the one that's supposed to find my granddaughter. 1435 01:04:08,292 --> 01:04:09,958 I didn't find her. 1436 01:04:10,083 --> 01:04:10,750 You felt you were the one who was supposed to find her. 1437 01:04:10,875 --> 01:04:12,667 I was supposed to, yes. 1438 01:04:12,875 --> 01:04:14,750 I was supposed to be the one to find her, and... 1439 01:04:14,875 --> 01:04:18,000 But that has nothing to do with concealment, George. 1440 01:04:18,125 --> 01:04:20,792 You understand where they're going with this? 1441 01:04:20,875 --> 01:04:23,000 -Yeah, I understand. -[stammers] 1442 01:04:23,167 --> 01:04:25,708 The concealment question is an easy yes or no. 1443 01:04:25,833 --> 01:04:28,167 Either you had something to do with it or not. 1444 01:04:28,333 --> 01:04:31,750 So, for you to be confused about concealment all-- 1445 01:04:31,875 --> 01:04:34,833 after all this time, it's either a yes or a no. 1446 01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:36,833 So, this ends up being very important, 1447 01:04:36,958 --> 01:04:38,667 because we're going to get results... 1448 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,750 -Yeah. -...soon. 1449 01:04:40,875 --> 01:04:41,917 -[Cindy] You know? -Are you frustrated right now? 1450 01:04:42,042 --> 01:04:43,333 [Cindy] I'm frustrated! 1451 01:04:43,458 --> 01:04:45,042 It should have been an easy one to answer, 1452 01:04:45,208 --> 01:04:47,083 and I don't know why he's struggling now. 1453 01:04:47,208 --> 01:04:51,250 I remember Casey saying she just wanted to see this 1454 01:04:51,375 --> 01:04:55,167 all just not be here, she would not talk about it. 1455 01:04:55,292 --> 01:04:56,583 She would do nothing about it for-- 1456 01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:58,833 Stop for one second. Answer his question. 1457 01:04:58,917 --> 01:05:00,625 That's not what he's asking you. 1458 01:05:00,750 --> 01:05:03,083 And I'm gonna walk away for a second, 1459 01:05:03,208 --> 01:05:06,208 because if he can't focus on that, 1460 01:05:06,333 --> 01:05:08,667 then you're not in a good mindset today to do a taping, 1461 01:05:08,792 --> 01:05:10,375 and we need to get this done. 1462 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,917 And you're the one that wanted to do this. 1463 01:05:13,042 --> 01:05:17,250 But I know he's gonna regret all of this later on. 1464 01:05:17,375 --> 01:05:19,583 You think about it, because I don't wanna... 1465 01:05:19,708 --> 01:05:23,667 George, talk to me for a second. What are you feeling? 1466 01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:26,708 I feel, uh, very... Okay. 1467 01:05:26,833 --> 01:05:28,917 I don't wanna say the word "hatred." 1468 01:05:29,042 --> 01:05:31,167 I feel right now I don't... 1469 01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:32,417 I'm having a hard time liking her. 1470 01:05:32,542 --> 01:05:34,500 ♪ 1471 01:05:34,625 --> 01:05:38,583 [Harris] All right, George, let's go for a ride. 1472 01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:40,667 You lead the way. 1473 01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:49,167 I pulled you aside because I... 1474 01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:52,917 I just have a sense... [clears throat] 1475 01:05:53,042 --> 01:05:55,667 that you need to be heard. 1476 01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:58,833 I'm just having issues with Cindy. I-I don't... [sighs] 1477 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,250 I'm having issues ever since this stuff happened. 1478 01:06:01,375 --> 01:06:03,458 ♪♪ 1479 01:06:03,542 --> 01:06:05,500 Cindy wants to control the situation. 1480 01:06:05,583 --> 01:06:07,583 No matter how much it hurts me, how much it bothers me. 1481 01:06:07,708 --> 01:06:09,708 She don't check on me like how I feel about a situation. 1482 01:06:09,875 --> 01:06:11,750 And I just.... 1483 01:06:11,875 --> 01:06:16,125 Every time I try to talk to her about it, I have to get loud. 1484 01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:18,667 I have to get away from her. I have... It's... 1485 01:06:18,875 --> 01:06:20,333 She doesn't understand it. 1486 01:06:20,417 --> 01:06:22,167 She wants to be combative with me. 1487 01:06:22,292 --> 01:06:24,667 I don't want to be combative anymore. I can't take it. 1488 01:06:24,792 --> 01:06:28,667 It's... It... It hurts too much. 1489 01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:30,167 I don't know where to go anymore. 1490 01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:32,125 I don't know where to go. 1491 01:06:32,208 --> 01:06:34,042 When you say you don't know where to go, 1492 01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:36,542 do you want to leave? -Yes. 1493 01:06:36,667 --> 01:06:39,625 [Harris] Is your marriage going to survive this? 1494 01:06:39,708 --> 01:06:41,167 No, I don't think so. 1495 01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:43,500 There's many, many times over these last few years 1496 01:06:43,625 --> 01:06:45,083 that Cindy and I have talked 1497 01:06:45,208 --> 01:06:46,542 about getting away from each other. 1498 01:06:46,625 --> 01:06:48,333 How much of your lives, 1499 01:06:48,417 --> 01:06:51,292 even now, all these years later, 1500 01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:56,167 is still consumed by this story, your daughter, 1501 01:06:56,292 --> 01:06:58,542 your granddaughter, and what happened? 1502 01:06:58,667 --> 01:07:00,917 On a percentage basis, I think it's really close to 100%. 1503 01:07:01,042 --> 01:07:02,250 -What?! -Like 99%. 1504 01:07:02,375 --> 01:07:03,625 -What?! -Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1505 01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:06,958 -On a daily basis? -Mm-hmm. Most definitely. 1506 01:07:07,083 --> 01:07:08,458 Look at every time you walk around the house, 1507 01:07:08,583 --> 01:07:10,542 there's--there's a memory of something. 1508 01:07:10,708 --> 01:07:13,625 Would you mind if we go 1509 01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:17,458 to the area where Caylee's remains are found? 1510 01:07:17,583 --> 01:07:19,167 One street you followed all the way down, 1511 01:07:19,292 --> 01:07:21,083 turn left, you turn right. 1512 01:07:21,208 --> 01:07:23,625 It went down about a hundred yards on the right-hand side. 1513 01:07:23,708 --> 01:07:26,542 ♪ 1514 01:07:32,125 --> 01:07:33,708 There were so many adults that came here, 1515 01:07:33,875 --> 01:07:36,125 and they would pray. 1516 01:07:36,250 --> 01:07:37,500 There used to be people row after row, car after car. 1517 01:07:37,625 --> 01:07:39,167 People would be over here. 1518 01:07:39,292 --> 01:07:41,083 There could be a couple hundred people here at one time. 1519 01:07:41,208 --> 01:07:43,250 But how can I tell people, "Don't go down there"? 1520 01:07:43,375 --> 01:07:44,833 We've tried. 1521 01:07:44,958 --> 01:07:47,333 I've been on the local news trying to keep people away. 1522 01:07:47,458 --> 01:07:53,500 Some would suggest that you want the memory of... 1523 01:07:53,625 --> 01:07:55,000 of this to go away. 1524 01:07:55,125 --> 01:07:59,292 Caylee--Caylee isn't here. She's not here. 1525 01:07:59,375 --> 01:08:00,458 -Do you ever come-- -There's times I wished 1526 01:08:00,583 --> 01:08:02,000 I was here, you know, instead of her. 1527 01:08:02,167 --> 01:08:04,000 -What? -I did. 1528 01:08:04,083 --> 01:08:06,500 If I could call--talk to God right now and say, 1529 01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:09,958 "Listen, send Caylee back here to be with her Grammy." 1530 01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:13,667 I'd rather have God... God take me. 1531 01:08:13,792 --> 01:08:16,042 I tried to almost take my own life because of it. 1532 01:08:16,208 --> 01:08:18,000 I so much wanted to be with her. 1533 01:08:18,125 --> 01:08:20,458 She meant everything to me. To me. 1534 01:08:20,542 --> 01:08:22,375 I know she meant everything to Cindy, too. 1535 01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:24,458 But we showed our affection in different ways, 1536 01:08:24,542 --> 01:08:25,542 I guess, for her. 1537 01:08:25,667 --> 01:08:28,667 ♪♪ 1538 01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:31,625 And, George, what would you say to people who hear you 1539 01:08:31,708 --> 01:08:36,875 talk about your love for your granddaughter, 1540 01:08:37,042 --> 01:08:42,083 who then say, "You know, that's a bit much. 1541 01:08:42,208 --> 01:08:45,333 That's a bit-- That's almost a bit creepy"? 1542 01:08:45,458 --> 01:08:47,417 Well, you know, they're not the ones that would have to walk 1543 01:08:47,542 --> 01:08:49,792 every single day on stuff that I've been through, 1544 01:08:49,875 --> 01:08:51,667 to being called... [chuckles] 1545 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:53,833 different things that I've been called to my face. I-- 1546 01:08:53,958 --> 01:08:55,917 What have you been called? 1547 01:08:56,042 --> 01:08:57,833 Pedophile, number one. 1548 01:08:58,042 --> 01:09:00,000 That's just a touch of it. 1549 01:09:00,083 --> 01:09:01,833 Well, brother, I hope, uh... [sighs] 1550 01:09:01,917 --> 01:09:05,750 you can find some-- some peace at some point. 1551 01:09:08,458 --> 01:09:10,333 You good, George? You ready to get started? 1552 01:09:10,458 --> 01:09:12,708 -I am ready to get started, yes. -Very good. 1553 01:09:12,875 --> 01:09:14,500 So, again, we're gonna do it a few times, George. 1554 01:09:14,625 --> 01:09:16,292 So, don't be alarmed when I say we're gonna do it again. 1555 01:09:16,417 --> 01:09:17,542 That doesn't mean there's anything wrong. 1556 01:09:17,708 --> 01:09:19,000 Okay. 1557 01:09:19,125 --> 01:09:20,625 It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. 1558 01:09:20,750 --> 01:09:22,458 There's just redundancy built into the protocol. 1559 01:09:22,583 --> 01:09:25,708 I'm not here to accuse you of anything. We're here-- 1560 01:09:25,833 --> 01:09:28,125 Don't think of this, George, as a lie detector. 1561 01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:29,917 Think of it as a truth verifier. 1562 01:09:30,042 --> 01:09:31,500 I understand. 1563 01:09:31,583 --> 01:09:33,250 And we're trying to keep emotions out of it. 1564 01:09:33,375 --> 01:09:35,083 -And that's hard sometimes. -And it is very hard. 1565 01:09:35,208 --> 01:09:36,542 I know it's easier said than done, 1566 01:09:36,708 --> 01:09:39,417 but, I mean, if you want, you know, accurate results, 1567 01:09:39,542 --> 01:09:41,708 then somehow-- somehow you have to do that. 1568 01:09:41,875 --> 01:09:43,625 If you'd like to ask me again, I'll be more than glad to... 1569 01:09:43,708 --> 01:09:45,500 -Okay. -...correctly. 1570 01:09:45,667 --> 01:09:48,000 All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still. 1571 01:09:48,083 --> 01:09:50,083 ♪ 1572 01:09:50,208 --> 01:09:52,542 What would you believe, 1573 01:09:52,667 --> 01:09:56,375 if, in these key areas of the exam, 1574 01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,083 George comes back as being untruthful? 1575 01:10:00,208 --> 01:10:04,875 [stammers] That would be life-changing for me. 1576 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,167 I... If... If I thought he had anything to do with this, 1577 01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:13,458 and I went through all this, and he was a part of it... 1578 01:10:13,542 --> 01:10:14,750 I couldn't live with him anymore. 1579 01:10:14,875 --> 01:10:18,417 ♪♪ 1580 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,583 All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still. 1581 01:10:27,708 --> 01:10:31,542 Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1582 01:10:31,667 --> 01:10:32,792 No. 1583 01:10:32,875 --> 01:10:35,250 ♪♪ 1584 01:10:35,375 --> 01:10:37,958 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1585 01:10:38,042 --> 01:10:40,833 No. 1586 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,375 ♪ 1587 01:10:42,542 --> 01:10:44,792 Don't move your feet when you answer. 1588 01:10:44,875 --> 01:10:46,917 ♪♪ 1589 01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:51,458 Did you ever harm your daughter, Casey, when she was a child? 1590 01:10:51,583 --> 01:10:53,167 No. 1591 01:10:53,292 --> 01:10:55,042 You stop moving your feet, George. 1592 01:10:55,208 --> 01:10:57,292 -I-I-I-- -It's gonna affect you, George. 1593 01:10:57,375 --> 01:10:59,208 I'm asking you to stay focused on what we're doing. 1594 01:10:59,333 --> 01:11:00,958 It's your test, George. It's your test. 1595 01:11:01,125 --> 01:11:02,708 I know, and I'm screwing it up. 1596 01:11:05,167 --> 01:11:06,875 Did you place Caylee's body in the ground? 1597 01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:13,708 No. 1598 01:11:13,833 --> 01:11:16,667 Okay, this part of the test is over. Please remain still. 1599 01:11:16,792 --> 01:11:20,000 Okay. 1600 01:11:20,125 --> 01:11:21,292 Okay, George, go ahead and recover. 1601 01:11:21,375 --> 01:11:23,333 That means you can move. 1602 01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:26,125 Okay, great. Take a quick break. You need some water? 1603 01:11:26,208 --> 01:11:27,167 Sorry if I'm shaking a little bit. 1604 01:11:27,292 --> 01:11:29,375 I just have an issue with my, uh, 1605 01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:30,375 -Yeah. -...left hand and stuff 1606 01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,667 from my accident. -Okay. Yeah. 1607 01:11:32,792 --> 01:11:36,667 -Yeah, it does move a bit. -Yeah. 1608 01:11:36,708 --> 01:11:37,458 And then your feet, too, right? Try and keep those feet still 1609 01:11:37,542 --> 01:11:38,625 when you answer. -Okay. 1610 01:11:38,708 --> 01:11:40,667 [Olivo] Okay. Appreciate that. 1611 01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:42,750 All right. Let me know when you're ready. 1612 01:11:42,875 --> 01:11:44,667 -We'll do it again. -I'm ready, sir. 1613 01:11:44,792 --> 01:11:46,125 Okay. 1614 01:11:46,208 --> 01:11:48,292 Okay, the test is about to begin. 1615 01:11:48,417 --> 01:11:49,708 Please remain still. 1616 01:11:49,875 --> 01:11:51,333 ♪ 1617 01:11:51,458 --> 01:11:52,833 Regarding Caylee's disappearance, 1618 01:11:52,917 --> 01:11:55,083 do you intend to lie during this test? 1619 01:11:55,208 --> 01:11:56,542 No. 1620 01:11:56,708 --> 01:11:58,875 ♪ 1621 01:11:59,042 --> 01:12:01,000 There were people at the center of the story 1622 01:12:01,125 --> 01:12:02,625 who you love desperately. 1623 01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:07,083 Someone, or both of them, are not telling the truth. 1624 01:12:07,208 --> 01:12:09,375 Right. I mean, you can love someone, 1625 01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,667 and sometimes they disappoint you. 1626 01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:14,417 But to me, that's beyond disappointment. 1627 01:12:14,542 --> 01:12:16,458 -Yeah. -That's betrayal. 1628 01:12:16,542 --> 01:12:19,542 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1629 01:12:21,167 --> 01:12:22,458 No. 1630 01:12:22,583 --> 01:12:28,333 ♪ 1631 01:12:28,458 --> 01:12:30,333 Okay, so the test is over. 1632 01:12:30,458 --> 01:12:32,083 I'm gonna review the data. 1633 01:12:32,208 --> 01:12:34,417 -Get back with you... -Yes, sir. 1634 01:12:34,542 --> 01:12:37,125 ...uh, with the results. Any questions for me about this? 1635 01:12:37,208 --> 01:12:40,458 -Uh, no, sir. I'm... -You feel all right? 1636 01:12:40,542 --> 01:12:41,833 Those... [sighs] what-- questions you're asking me, 1637 01:12:41,958 --> 01:12:43,542 that is a very... 1638 01:12:43,708 --> 01:12:46,792 This is really hard, especially when you know that 1639 01:12:46,875 --> 01:12:49,000 never got a chance to see my granddaughter again. 1640 01:12:49,083 --> 01:12:52,333 It's... It's... It's hard. 1641 01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,625 I know. I know. Yeah. 1642 01:12:54,708 --> 01:12:57,042 A matter of fact, I've had family tell me, 1643 01:12:57,208 --> 01:12:59,208 "Oh, you should just go on with your life. Forget about it." 1644 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:01,500 -You can't forget. -[Olivo] Of course not. 1645 01:13:01,667 --> 01:13:04,458 And there's some days I remembered very vividly. 1646 01:13:04,583 --> 01:13:06,167 Other ones maybe not as much, but I always wanted to be just 1647 01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:10,167 known as a good guy. That's all I ever, ever wanted in my life. 1648 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:12,792 This is not the way I thought my life was ever going to be. 1649 01:13:12,958 --> 01:13:15,833 Never did. 1650 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,333 She tells me things sometimes that hurt. 1651 01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:18,875 I understand why she does. 1652 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,208 Since his accident, he's... 1653 01:13:21,375 --> 01:13:23,625 talks about not wanting to be around. 1654 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:25,667 He wants to be with Caylee and stuff like that. 1655 01:13:25,833 --> 01:13:27,875 -But he's-- -Why does he think that way? 1656 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,208 Well, he feels like after the accident, 1657 01:13:31,375 --> 01:13:33,500 he's not strong anymore, he's less of a man, 1658 01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:35,417 and he feels like he's let me down. 1659 01:13:35,542 --> 01:13:37,417 And I said, you haven't let me down. 1660 01:13:37,542 --> 01:13:40,667 I said, you let me down. If you do something stupid. 1661 01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:46,750 I got the best person, my wife, to keep things stable. 1662 01:13:46,875 --> 01:13:48,583 She tells me things sometimes that hurt, 1663 01:13:48,708 --> 01:13:50,333 but I understand why she does. 1664 01:13:50,458 --> 01:13:52,625 [Olivo] Yeah. Tells you what you need to hear. 1665 01:13:52,750 --> 01:13:54,583 Yes, sir. 1666 01:13:54,708 --> 01:13:56,333 Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff-- 1667 01:13:56,458 --> 01:13:58,333 all the stuff she's been through. 1668 01:13:58,458 --> 01:14:01,125 So, uh, you know, we'll look-- 1669 01:14:01,208 --> 01:14:03,542 I'll look at the data. I think it's--it's clean enough 1670 01:14:03,708 --> 01:14:06,125 to where we can, uh, make some-- make some calls here, 1671 01:14:06,208 --> 01:14:08,417 get back with you... -Yes, sir. 1672 01:14:08,542 --> 01:14:11,375 ...uh, with the results, uh, at a later date. Okay? 1673 01:14:11,542 --> 01:14:14,833 [sighs] Oh, man. 1674 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,417 ♪ 1675 01:14:29,375 --> 01:14:31,542 [Harris] Cindy? George? 1676 01:14:31,708 --> 01:14:33,583 -[George] Hey, sir. -Hey. How are ya? 1677 01:14:33,708 --> 01:14:35,500 -Thank you for coming. -Yeah, of course. 1678 01:14:35,625 --> 01:14:37,458 -Thank you. -Uh, big day. 1679 01:14:37,542 --> 01:14:39,000 -Yes. -Results day. 1680 01:14:39,125 --> 01:14:40,625 -Yes. -You ready? 1681 01:14:40,708 --> 01:14:42,000 -I'm ready. -You are? 1682 01:14:42,083 --> 01:14:43,667 -Okay. -Yes, I'm ready. 1683 01:14:43,792 --> 01:14:45,458 -I wanna get this over with. -George? 1684 01:14:45,542 --> 01:14:47,250 Yes. I'd like to get some answers. 1685 01:14:47,375 --> 01:14:49,875 Okay, well, then let's head inside. 1686 01:14:49,958 --> 01:14:53,333 Waiting for the results has been hard for George and I. 1687 01:14:53,542 --> 01:14:55,708 But the fact that he could be untruthful, 1688 01:14:55,875 --> 01:14:58,208 it's the most unthinkable thing. 1689 01:14:58,375 --> 01:15:00,083 Before we get the results, 1690 01:15:00,250 --> 01:15:03,208 I just want all of us to sort of understand why we're here. 1691 01:15:03,375 --> 01:15:07,458 You both understand that there is 1692 01:15:07,542 --> 01:15:10,375 a high degree of reliability to this test. 1693 01:15:10,542 --> 01:15:11,833 Right. I'm ready. I've, you know, I'm-- 1694 01:15:11,958 --> 01:15:14,708 -[Harris] For the results? -I'm ready for the results. 1695 01:15:14,875 --> 01:15:16,125 George, are you ready for the results? 1696 01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:17,417 Yes. 1697 01:15:17,542 --> 01:15:18,917 Whatever comes out of it, 1698 01:15:19,042 --> 01:15:20,833 you have to take responsibility for. 1699 01:15:20,917 --> 01:15:23,625 -I will. -Okay. 1700 01:15:23,792 --> 01:15:26,000 So, I've done a careful analysis of all the data 1701 01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:28,917 that was collected from your polygraph examinations, 1702 01:15:29,042 --> 01:15:30,458 using best practices. 1703 01:15:30,625 --> 01:15:33,125 For quality assurance, uh, 1704 01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:37,167 I met with another retired FBI polygraph examiner. 1705 01:15:37,333 --> 01:15:39,333 Uh, he reviewed all of my work, 1706 01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,667 and he came up with his own conclusions 1707 01:15:41,833 --> 01:15:44,500 independently without any input from me, 1708 01:15:44,583 --> 01:15:45,625 obviously, without meeting you. 1709 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:47,458 Uh, at the end of the day, 1710 01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:50,542 uh, we both agreed on the final results. 1711 01:15:50,708 --> 01:15:55,667 So, uh, what I'm about to share with you, 1712 01:15:55,792 --> 01:15:57,292 uh, I'm doing with a high degree of confidence. 1713 01:15:57,417 --> 01:15:58,917 Okay. 1714 01:16:01,083 --> 01:16:03,000 -Cindy. -Yes. 1715 01:16:04,708 --> 01:16:08,042 The scope of your exam was whether or not 1716 01:16:08,167 --> 01:16:12,708 George has secretly confessed to you any involvement 1717 01:16:12,833 --> 01:16:15,417 in the disappearance and death of Caylee Anthony. 1718 01:16:15,542 --> 01:16:16,917 -Okay. -Um... 1719 01:16:17,042 --> 01:16:18,500 Your exam contained three relevant questions 1720 01:16:18,625 --> 01:16:20,375 that were evaluated. 1721 01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:21,833 Did George ever confirm 1722 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,792 that he was actively involved in Caylee's death? 1723 01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:24,667 No. 1724 01:16:24,792 --> 01:16:26,750 Did George ever confirm 1725 01:16:26,833 --> 01:16:29,042 that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance? 1726 01:16:29,208 --> 01:16:30,667 No. 1727 01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:31,958 [Olivo] Did George ever say that he knew 1728 01:16:33,458 --> 01:16:33,667 where Caylee was while she was missing? 1729 01:16:34,292 --> 01:16:35,042 [Cindy] No. 1730 01:16:36,208 --> 01:16:37,042 I asked you these questions multiple times 1731 01:16:38,083 --> 01:16:38,500 during the examination to get a pattern. 1732 01:16:38,625 --> 01:16:40,167 Right. 1733 01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:43,167 And your results are that you passed this test 1734 01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:46,500 with no deception indicated to the relevant questions. 1735 01:16:46,625 --> 01:16:49,833 So, in my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1736 01:16:49,917 --> 01:16:52,792 I believe you, and you deserve to be believed. 1737 01:16:52,875 --> 01:16:55,083 Thank you. Appreciate it. 1738 01:16:55,208 --> 01:16:56,875 It's not gonna help finding what happened to Caylee 1739 01:16:57,042 --> 01:16:58,833 by not being truthful. -Right. 1740 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,917 And that's been the whole point. 1741 01:17:01,042 --> 01:17:03,958 I mean, I did everything I could and beyond 1742 01:17:04,083 --> 01:17:07,542 to try to bring my dau-- my granddaughter home safely. 1743 01:17:07,667 --> 01:17:09,958 So, my focus has always been Caylee. 1744 01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:11,792 George... 1745 01:17:11,875 --> 01:17:16,000 ♪♪ 1746 01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:19,000 You took two examinations, George. 1747 01:17:19,167 --> 01:17:20,667 Yes. 1748 01:17:20,792 --> 01:17:23,333 Uh, The scope of one of your exams 1749 01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:25,333 had to do with whether or not 1750 01:17:25,458 --> 01:17:28,417 you were involved in child molestation 1751 01:17:28,542 --> 01:17:30,958 with your daughter Casey 1752 01:17:31,042 --> 01:17:35,833 and, uh, as well with, uh, your granddaughter, Caylee. 1753 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,000 Your exam contained three relevant questions. 1754 01:17:40,125 --> 01:17:43,500 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 1755 01:17:43,625 --> 01:17:46,083 -You answered no. -No. 1756 01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:49,375 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 1757 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:52,333 You answered no. 1758 01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:54,792 And as an adult, 1759 01:17:54,875 --> 01:17:57,583 have you ever had sexual contact with a minor? 1760 01:17:57,708 --> 01:18:00,292 Which would include any minor, And you answered no. 1761 01:18:00,375 --> 01:18:03,500 I asked you the same questions multiple times 1762 01:18:03,625 --> 01:18:06,708 during the examination, George. -Yes. 1763 01:18:06,875 --> 01:18:11,167 The results of that examination, George, are... 1764 01:18:17,208 --> 01:18:20,167 ♪ 1765 01:18:26,167 --> 01:18:30,542 George, uh, the scope of one of your exams 1766 01:18:30,708 --> 01:18:32,833 had to do with whether or not 1767 01:18:32,958 --> 01:18:35,667 you were involved in child molestation 1768 01:18:35,792 --> 01:18:38,042 with your daughter Casey 1769 01:18:38,208 --> 01:18:41,542 and as well with your granddaughter Caylee. 1770 01:18:41,667 --> 01:18:46,667 ♪♪ 1771 01:18:46,792 --> 01:18:49,958 Your results are you passed this test, George, 1772 01:18:50,083 --> 01:18:54,000 with no deception indicated to all of the relevant questions. 1773 01:18:54,083 --> 01:18:57,542 In my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1774 01:18:57,667 --> 01:19:01,000 [Cindy] No doubt. I would never have stood for it. No doubt. 1775 01:19:01,083 --> 01:19:02,125 [crying] 1776 01:19:02,250 --> 01:19:03,750 [Cindy, voice breaking] No doubt. 1777 01:19:03,875 --> 01:19:06,333 [sniffles and sobs] 1778 01:19:06,458 --> 01:19:10,333 [sobbing] 1779 01:19:10,458 --> 01:19:14,083 Oh, my God. Oh, man. 1780 01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:17,000 [exhales deeply] 1781 01:19:17,125 --> 01:19:22,708 I'm sorry, but I've been wanting to have someone... 1782 01:19:22,833 --> 01:19:24,833 -To believe you? -...believe me. 1783 01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:26,375 George, you deserve to be believed about that. 1784 01:19:26,542 --> 01:19:28,708 [continues sobbing] 1785 01:19:30,542 --> 01:19:33,792 George, you took a second exam as well. 1786 01:19:33,917 --> 01:19:37,583 The scope of the other exam is to determine 1787 01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:40,000 whether or not you had any involvement 1788 01:19:40,083 --> 01:19:44,250 in Caylee's death or-- and/or disappearance. 1789 01:19:44,375 --> 01:19:46,875 Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1790 01:19:47,042 --> 01:19:49,333 No. 1791 01:19:49,458 --> 01:19:52,125 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1792 01:19:52,208 --> 01:19:53,917 No. 1793 01:19:54,042 --> 01:19:56,417 Did you place Caylee's body in the ground? 1794 01:19:56,542 --> 01:19:59,417 No. 1795 01:19:59,542 --> 01:20:01,000 ♪ 1796 01:20:01,125 --> 01:20:04,583 The results of that examination, George... 1797 01:20:04,708 --> 01:20:09,583 ♪ 1798 01:20:09,708 --> 01:20:10,833 ...you passed that exam. 1799 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,083 And I saw no deception 1800 01:20:14,208 --> 01:20:16,333 indicated to all of the relevant questions. 1801 01:20:16,458 --> 01:20:19,792 In my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1802 01:20:22,208 --> 01:20:24,917 -[exhales deeply] -I've always believed you. 1803 01:20:25,042 --> 01:20:28,292 'Cause I tell you, she won't even n--tell you. 1804 01:20:28,458 --> 01:20:30,583 There were so many times I just didn't wanna be here 1805 01:20:30,708 --> 01:20:33,333 'cause I don't think I could stand... 1806 01:20:33,458 --> 01:20:36,333 being pulled in something that I didn't do. [sniffles] 1807 01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:38,625 [Olivo] You should be considered a trustworthy man 1808 01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:42,500 based on these results. 1809 01:20:42,625 --> 01:20:44,292 How does it feel to hear that? 1810 01:20:44,417 --> 01:20:46,667 It says it takes a lot of weight off of you. 1811 01:20:46,750 --> 01:20:49,833 But, you know, whenever I... 1812 01:20:49,917 --> 01:20:52,833 would pray to Caylee, which I do every day, 1813 01:20:52,958 --> 01:20:54,042 I says, you know, "Someday," I said, 1814 01:20:54,208 --> 01:20:55,542 "I'm gonna get the answers... [sighs] 1815 01:20:55,708 --> 01:20:57,542 to be with you and have a pure heart..." 1816 01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:58,875 Aah! 1817 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,208 ...and I got pure heart. 1818 01:21:03,042 --> 01:21:05,250 Your husband should be 1819 01:21:05,375 --> 01:21:08,667 considered a trustworthy man based on these results. 1820 01:21:08,792 --> 01:21:11,333 Right. I never felt otherwise about that. 1821 01:21:11,417 --> 01:21:13,667 I was adamant that he never touched her. 1822 01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:17,125 I was adamant that he never had anything to do with C-- 1823 01:21:17,292 --> 01:21:21,000 I saw his pain every day, not knowing where Caylee was. 1824 01:21:21,208 --> 01:21:23,917 We've been linked together for 43 years, 1825 01:21:24,083 --> 01:21:27,167 and his burden is my burden. 1826 01:21:27,292 --> 01:21:31,375 And I feel--I feel in my body a release of his burden. 1827 01:21:31,458 --> 01:21:33,417 And I'm so happy for him. 1828 01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:35,667 This feels so momentous. 1829 01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:37,167 -[Cindy] It is. -[George] It is. 1830 01:21:37,292 --> 01:21:40,000 And incredibly sad at the same time. 1831 01:21:40,125 --> 01:21:41,917 It is. 1832 01:21:42,042 --> 01:21:43,917 I wanna know what it is 1833 01:21:44,042 --> 01:21:46,500 you would like to say to your daughter. 1834 01:21:46,625 --> 01:21:52,000 You owe your dad a big apology. I'll never forgive her. 1835 01:21:52,125 --> 01:21:55,542 I will always love her. I will always wish her well. 1836 01:21:55,708 --> 01:21:58,000 And I hope someday she has peace. 1837 01:21:58,125 --> 01:22:03,875 But I hope she someday finds the truth and accepts the truth. 1838 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,333 Not her truth, the real truth. 1839 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,458 George, uh, same question to you. 1840 01:22:10,542 --> 01:22:12,083 What do you wanna say to your daughter? 1841 01:22:12,208 --> 01:22:14,583 ♪♪ 1842 01:22:14,708 --> 01:22:18,333 Casey, I love you. 1843 01:22:18,458 --> 01:22:22,333 I don't like you at all for what you put Caylee through, 1844 01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:25,208 your mom, me... 1845 01:22:25,375 --> 01:22:26,833 your brother. 1846 01:22:26,958 --> 01:22:29,833 It hurts so bad to know that I... 1847 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,167 I have felt so many times I wanted to end my life 1848 01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:35,542 because of this, and, uh... 1849 01:22:35,667 --> 01:22:38,417 Just know that... 1850 01:22:38,542 --> 01:22:40,042 you blew it. 1851 01:22:40,167 --> 01:22:42,417 You blew it with this family. 1852 01:22:44,792 --> 01:22:46,667 I'm very confident with the results. 1853 01:22:46,833 --> 01:22:49,833 I have no doubt that George and Cindy passed their exams. 1854 01:22:49,958 --> 01:22:51,208 They did everything they were supposed to do. 1855 01:22:51,375 --> 01:22:52,542 We're never gonna know everything 1856 01:22:52,708 --> 01:22:53,833 that happened in that family. 1857 01:22:53,958 --> 01:22:55,375 When I learned of Casey's allegations, 1858 01:22:55,542 --> 01:22:58,750 I watched her-- her, uh, documentary. 1859 01:22:58,875 --> 01:23:03,458 And she, to me, did not-- did not come across as credible. 1860 01:23:03,583 --> 01:23:06,667 There was a lot of other things about her--about her demeanor 1861 01:23:06,792 --> 01:23:10,333 that suggest that perhaps the truth was not on her side. 1862 01:23:10,458 --> 01:23:12,292 But I-I... 1863 01:23:12,417 --> 01:23:14,250 probably shouldn't comment anymore on that 1864 01:23:14,375 --> 01:23:17,833 without talking to her face to face. 1865 01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:19,667 How does your life change, 1866 01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:22,875 essentially, from this moment on? 1867 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,000 Well, I'll tell you right now, I'll be able to walk outside, 1868 01:23:26,208 --> 01:23:28,417 go some places with my wife a little bit more, 1869 01:23:28,542 --> 01:23:31,375 hold my head up high, have a smile on my face. 1870 01:23:31,542 --> 01:23:32,875 [fussing] 1871 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,833 Even though I lost my granddaughter 1872 01:23:34,917 --> 01:23:36,292 that I will never see until the day I die, 1873 01:23:36,375 --> 01:23:37,458 and hopefully I'll be with her. 1874 01:23:37,542 --> 01:23:38,667 Bye! 1875 01:23:38,792 --> 01:23:41,292 [airplane roaring overhead] 1876 01:23:41,375 --> 01:23:45,958 George did lose a big part of who he was. 1877 01:23:46,083 --> 01:23:48,875 Our family was a masterpiece. 1878 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,458 And our masterpiece started the day that George and I met. 1879 01:23:54,583 --> 01:23:57,083 And I'm hoping we can get that masterpiece 1880 01:23:57,208 --> 01:23:58,708 even more beautiful 1881 01:23:58,792 --> 01:24:04,000 or fill in the darkness that fell on our masterpiece. 1882 01:24:04,125 --> 01:24:06,417 Today is a, you know, like a new beginning, 1883 01:24:06,542 --> 01:24:09,458 and I know I've got my husband back. 1884 01:24:09,542 --> 01:24:13,500 That's enough to make me cry tears of happiness. 1885 01:24:13,542 --> 01:24:15,708 [voice breaking] Maybe I can have some happiness in my life. 1886 01:24:15,875 --> 01:24:17,958 Whew. [exhales deeply] 1887 01:24:18,042 --> 01:24:21,083 Having a polygraph test... 1888 01:24:21,208 --> 01:24:23,500 [scoffs] it's made me feel like me again. 1889 01:24:23,667 --> 01:24:27,708 I have my life back again. I have my life back. 1890 01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:33,250 I could be happy again. 1891 01:24:33,375 --> 01:24:35,333 The truth is on your side. 1892 01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:43,167 ♪