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- [Gene Cernan] I put the binocu
and I can see it spinning around
and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B,
but it sure has gotta be something like it.
- [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting.
Orbit
- We were that first crew that was going to get a chance
to fly this vehicle and test thi
that was going to take human beings to the Moon.
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- [Narrator] Mankind makes one g
and lands the first man on the M
a historic achievement for the h
But that giant leap took many lunges, trips and falls
in order for our astronauts to actually achieve this moment.
And along the way, many space researchers have speculated
that our astronauts may have see
and anomalous structures on the surface of the Moon.
- You know, we have a,
it's a very interesting little document from 1950,
there was a Canadian government
named Wilbert Smith,
and he was very interested in these flying saucers.
Wilbert Smith was a real smart g
He was an engineer, he was a sci
and he had a kind of a mid-upper level position
in the Canadian bureaucracy
and he was able to go down to Washington DC
in September, 1950 to the Canadian Embassy there.
And while he was hanging around DC he goes and talks
to some American scientists and one in particular.
And this was a scientist who was very well plugged in,
and this man, man whose name was Robert Sarbacher,
we learned many years later.
It was very, very powerful.
Sarbacher says, yes, flying sauces do exist.
I can confirm that for you.
Their modus operandi is unknown,
but the United States government
this the most classified subject
of all two levels higher than the hydrogen bomb,
which in 1950 was about as big as you could get,
but flying saucers were higher t
So Smith types up this memo for his supervisors
in the Canadian government, and, uh, that's that.
But actually, that wasn't that,
because years after he died,
his private papers were analyzed
and the exact name of that scientist was written there.
And that scientist, Robert Sarbacher was still alive
and researchers found him.
Sarbacher confirmed the whole thing.
He said, "Yeah, that actually did happen."
So anyway, my point simply is,
you've got very clear knowledge among the highest
circles in Washington back in 1950, for example.
And in the military back in 1950 that, yes,
absolutely UFOs were the most sensitive subject out there.
Now, ask yourself, why would that be.
You know, why would that be the most sensitive subject
if it was all nonsense and hallucinations
and hoaxes and things like this? You know?
Well, obviously it's a lot more than that.
And when you go through the declassified literature
such that we have, there's still a lot we don't have,
but we have enough to show very, very clearly
you had countless violations of sensitive aerospace
by objects that did not look normal, that were not,
that were doing things that were not supposed to be possible
over places that you were never supposed to go.
Alright, whether that means over Los Alamos, you know,
where the scientists developed the atomic bomb
or the Hanford Nuclear Plant in the state of Washington,
which was a major plutonium processing facility,
a lot of toxic waste there to this day.
Or over the Oak Ridge, uh, nuclear facility in Tennessee
where again, a great deal of science
on the atomic bomb was developed.
All of these very sensitive places,
you don't just go hang out over them,
but UFOs were hanging out over them
and, you know, jets would be sent to intercept.
In one case, we know of
anti-aircraft battalions were alerted.
You know, [laughs]
Can you imagine if the public knew about this at the time?
They didn't, they didn't find out
until years and years later
after these documents were declassified.
By then, they were just sunk
into the black hole of the public memory
and, you know, no one really seemed to care.
But back in 1950, if these incidents had become known,
I think people would've cared quite a bit.
Uh, they were very important.
My point here simply is this,
the subject of UFOs has always been considered
to be of the highest level of security classification
that we know of.
And so now, if you've got NASA
engaged in any capacity with the United States military
on any type of classified mission that it engages in,
there is no way ever
that they're just gonna tell the world,
oh look, there are all these UFOs, people.
How cool is that?
Now, that will never happen.
That will never happen until the laws change
and those laws haven't changed.
This subject still remains highly classified
even well into the 21st century.
It is...
You know, we can talk a little bit more about it now
than say a few years ago.
That's interesting and that's true,
but there's... you know, there's still a red line
and thou shall not go over that red line.
- It was one of these clear, clear days
and that's why I was up,
because you could see to infiniti,
and it was an ideal day for aerial photography.
And it appeared silver with a shadow underneath
There's always metallic.
And it was moving at a rate of speed,
I would say 150 miles an hour plus or minus.
And appeared to be maybe 20 meters across.
- [Speaker] We decided to analyze the Catalina film.
- And there seems to be some holes
or some kind of transparency underneath here.
One takes a good look at this
and considering that the speed of the object
as reported by Lee Hansen, the photographer,
is that this is moving at about 120 miles an hour.
This begins to look like a small commercial airplane,
and one can draw the comparison
that you have the bright wing on the top,
the windows and the flyer, the rudder structure,
and that's it.
The Catalina film, I'm afraid,
falls into the category of an identified flying airplane.
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- [Narrator] The Lunar Orbiter missions
were initiated in early 1964
and consisted of five identical unmanned spacecraft
to investigate the surface of the Moon.
The main purpose of the program was to locate
smooth level areas on the Moon's near side
to confirm the areas as suitable for manned landing sites
for the Apollo program.
Other program objectives were to collect data
on the Moon's gravitational field
to provide precision trajectory information
and study radiation and micrometeoroid flux
in the vicinity of the Moon.
The Orbiter took pictures of the Moon's surface,
more than 90% of the pictures taken
were transmitted successfully,
including the historic Earth rise,
taken from the Moon on August 23rd, 1966.
The Orbiter also obtained environmental data
during all periods of visibility
Some photographs were not transmitted.
However, when the transmitting equipment failed
during the readout operation,
only a small number of pictures were lost
and other data collection was not affected.
Lunar Orbiter 2 made significant additions
to the techniques and data required to land on the Moon.
Mission 3 differed from the previous two missions
in that it was a site-confirmation mission
rather than a site-selection mission.
Despite some operational problems during the mission,
Orbiter 4 was highly successful
in fulfilling its purpose.
The photographs obtained, provided information and detail
at least 10 times better than Earth-based observations.
The photography captured during Mission 5
was an incredible improvement in resolution from Mission 4.
This allowed NASA to gain better insight
into sites of interest on the near side of the Moon.
The far side photography provided coverage
of essentially all areas not cov
during the preceding four missions.
In the early two thousands, a former Air Force technician
specializing in photographic printer repair,
made a shocking statement to the public about his experience
while working for the NSA during the 1960s.
- I said, who's, what do you mean who's.
He said, yes, there's, we've discovered
a base on the backside of the Moon.
And at that point I became frightened.
- [Narrator] Another now famous unidentified lunar object
was spotted by the Lunar Orbiter 3 in February of 1967,
a total of 149 medium resolution
and 477 high resolution frames
were returned from this mission.
And in one composite image,
an object known as The Shard can be seen.
This object was supposedly located between the Bruce Crater
and the Sinus midi mare plain area of the Moon.
NASA has never acknowledged this phenomenon.
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- And then he pulled out one of these mosaics
and showed this base which had geometric shapes.
There were towers, there were spherical buildings.
There were very tall towers and things
that looked somewhat like radar dishes,
but they were large structures.
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So it was rare that someone would do something like this,
but this fellow and I were the same rank.
I think he was very distressed.
He had the same power and demeanor
as the scientists outside the room.
They were just as concerned as he was
and he needed to discuss it with somebody.
So, that was the end of it right there.
I didn't take it any further than that.
I just filed it away.
But the interesting thing, every day that I went home,
I would think to myself,
I can't wait to hear about this on the news.
So I'd turn on the TV and I'd look at the news
to see if they're gonna announce we've discovered a base
on the back side of the Moon being really naive.
And of course, here it is 30 some years later,
and we still haven't heard about it.
- Researcher and filmmaker, James Fox,
started his journey into UFOs
through Apollo astronaut testimony.
- Basically, out of this whole UFO phenomenon,
when did you become interested in the idea
that NASA astronauts have seen UFOs in space
and that possibly had been covered up?
- I never did, until I wasn't like
actively looking for UFOs in space, NASA.
I watched an interview in the early nineties
with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell,
sixth man to walk the Moon.
And he talked about UFOs very openly, and I thought,
here's a man who's got everything to lose
and nothing to gain by what he's doing.
- [Reporter] It's the sort of disclosure UFO investigators
are demanding from the US government.
How would people react?
- That would be kind of good it's about time.
- [Reporter] Former astronaut, Edgar Mitchell,
is the sixth man to walk on the Moon
and a firm believer that aliens
have visited our planet repeatedly.
So I had to ask,
why are they coming in these little glancing visits
and we haven't had a more meaningful dialogue
or contact or attempt to communicate with these people?
- Well, I think we have.
- [Reporter] Really?
- I think we have, but it is not common knowledge.
- [Reporter] Mitchell told me after
he returned from the Moon,
he was briefed at the Pentagon by a high ranking officer,
whose name he would not reveal,
who said the US government does have evidence
of alien spacecraft and is keeping it a secret.
- Well, I think the real reason
it is still a secret is power and control,
controlling whatever technology exists.
- [Reporter] All of this is fascinating stuff,
if it is true.
- I mean, I've talked to government insiders
and intelligence folks
and they kinda laugh at it,
but obviously, they have secret craft
that we don't know about, that's obvious.
But whether they have successfully reversed engineered
what they've recovered in Roswell,
that's something that I have not seen the evidence for.
I'm not saying definitively that it didn't happen,
that they weren't successfully reverse engineered.
I have seen zero evidence of it.
That's just me and people can disagree
all they want and that's fine.
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- [Narrator] The Apollo missions began in an irregular way
compared to the previous man capsule missions.
This turned out disastrous
for the first Apollo 1 test pilots.
Apollo 2 and 3, which were unmanned,
were called AS-202 and AS-203 respectively,
in which the newly designed Apollo capsule
was married to the Saturn 1B rocket vehicle system.
July 5th, 1966, an unmanned flight
of the Saturn 1B rocket,
it carried no command and service module
as its purpose was to verify the design
of the S4B rocket stage restart capability.
This would later be used in the Apollo program
to boost astronauts from Earth orbit
on a trajectory to the Moon.
It achieved its goals,
but the stage was inadvertently destroyed after four orbits.
Launched unmanned on August 25th, 1966
by a Saturn 1B vector and suborbital flight,
this flight was used to perform tests
on the command and service module,
which was later recovered destined
to perform a man landing on the Moon.
On January 27th, 1967 at Launchpad 34
at the Kennedy Space Center,
astronauts Grissom, White and Chaffee
were sealed inside of their spacecraft for a plugs out test.
The spacecraft was pressurized with pure oxygen.
Numerous communication problems
were encountered during the test
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- [Narrator] Suddenly a spark occurred
in the wiring of the spacecraft
somewhere below Grissom's feet.
In the pure oxygen atmosphere, the fire
flashed through the spacecraft consuming anything flammable.
The crews struggled to open the hatch of the command module.
It was a complex task that required too much time.
Before they could open the hatch,
the fumes given off from the fire asphyxiated them.
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- [Gus Grissom] Fire!
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- One thing to take note of about the Apollo 1 mission
is that many of the astronauts were very nervous
about this Apollo spacecraft and its rapid buildup.
Concurrently with the Gemini mission still being finished.
Many of the astronauts were being
swapped over to the Apollo mission
and this rapid buildup looked like
it was going to cause malfunctions
and errors to that spacecraft.
Walter Schirra, he actually commented to Gus Grissom,
one of the pilots of the early Gemini project
that had been swapped over to Apollo 1,
that something didn't ring right
about the Apollo 1 spacecraft
and that if he saw any signs of trouble
that he should get out quickly.
- [Narrator] After this disastrous fire
during the Apollo 1 test,
NASA decided to run many successive test flights
that were unmanned.
Mike Bara famously co-authored the book
"Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA"
in which he speculates with photo evidence
that NASA has been covering up anomalies on the Moon.
- The other possibility is that
we have had far more advanced technology
than we will acknowledge for the last 60, 70 years.
And it's some of our guys having a little fun
with the spam in a can.
Dudes that are stuck in the Apollo program.
That's what Gus Grissom once referred to Apollo as
is we're spam in a can, he was overheard to say,
and they've been to the Moon already,
they've been to Mars already.
They got technology we can't even dream of here
and they're sticking us up here in these rickety old rockets
and risking our lives.
And of course, he ended up losing his life
and a lot of people have a lot of suspicions about that,
that he was such a vocal advocate for the fact
that they had better technology than they were using
to go to the Moon
and it really made him angry
and could have made him a target.
- [Narrator] November 9th, 1967 was the day
in which the Saturn 5 launch vehicle was first tested.
This was the rocket that would send astronauts to the Moon.
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On April 4th, 1968, this unmanned flight
tested the Saturn 5's ability to perform
a trans lunar injection using 80% of the payload,
which the later manned mission would perform again.
Unfortunately, the phenomenon known as the Pogo Effect
damaged the two Rocketdyne engines on the second stage
when the internal fuel lines ruptured.
The Rocketdyne J2 engine on the S4B third stage
also failed to restart trans lunar injection.
So the correct trans lunar velocity could not be achieved.
Nevertheless, NASA considered the Saturn 5
ready to receive its first crew.
October 11th, 1968, Apollo 7
was the first manned space flight of the Apollo program.
Donn Eisele, Commander Walter M. Schirra
and Walter Cunningham's crew spend almost 11 days in space
testing a command module spacecraft
designed to orbit the Earth
and safely bring humans to the Moon and back again.
The mission objective was to demonstrate crew performance
with the command service module.
- [Reporter] Apollo 7 was also a go
for an exhaustive series of tests
of its worthiness in space.
One of the first things which had to be learned
was whether the astronauts could control the spacecraft
combined with the S4B Saturn stage.
A very similar thing would have to be done
during the early phases of a lunar mission.
The answer was not long in coming.
- [Astronaut] S4B test complete.
- [Astronaut] Beautiful.
- [Astronaut] It was outstanding
- [Astronaut] Real, fine and ups
- [Reporter] Next, the spacecraft
and S4B stage were separated.
The question now was whether the astronauts
could turn their spacecraft around
and control it to the degree required
for future physical linkups with equipment in space.
For this too would have to be done in the lunar flight.
And again, the answer was yes.
- [Astronaut] A little flight is like Germany.
- [Reporter] Something that will not be seen
in the lunar flight or in any other
forthcoming Apollo mission
were the panels at the top of the S4B stage.
They will simply be jettisoned in the future.
But they drew comment in Apollo 7.
- [Astronaut] And the slot panel
at the top left and bottom opened.
And I would about a 45 degree angle
and the slot panel on the right,
just opened though maybe 30 degrees at the very best.
- [Control] All right, Roger.
looks like you're looking at a four jawed angry alligator.
- [Narrator] During this mission, multiple tests
for the Saturn rocket system
and the astronaut crew interactions were successful.
This was the first mission to use the Apollo flight suit
and to successfully complete
a live video transmission from space.
- [Reporter] Always before we've had
to be content with merely listening
to our astronauts during their flights.
In Apollo 7, through the medium of television,
we could actually see them in space for the first time
and become better acquainted
with weightless life aboard a spacecraft.
- [Astronaut] You're picking up,
I can read now just a minute.
It says...
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- [Narrator] December 21st, 1968,
Apollo 8 was the second crude mission of the Apollo program
and the first mission to bring humans to the Moon's orbit.
They were the first humans to leave low Earth orbit.
The first to see the entire Earth,
the first to see the dark side of the Moon
and the first to see the sunrise of the Earth from the Moon.
- [Controller] T Minus 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9.
So we have ignition sequence five,
the engines are on 4, 3, 2, 1, 0.
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I have commit, we have liftoff.
Lift off at 7:51 am Eastern Standard Time.
- [Narrator] Apollo 8 took three days to reach the Moon.
It orbited 10 times over 20 hours.
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- [Astronaut] This transmission is coming to you
approximately halfway between the Moon and the Earth.
We've been 31 hours, about 20 minutes into the flight.
We have about less than 40 hours left to go to the Moon.
- [Narrator] So Apollo 8 glided on silently
farther from Earth than man had ever before been.
A microscopic dot of life in the cosmic void.
- [Astronaut] Face of the waters.
And God said, let there be light.
- [Narrator] The crew also made
a televised Christmas Eve broadcast
in which they read the first 10 verses
of the book of Genesis.
This broadcast was the most watched in history at the time.
- [Astronaut] So the evening and the morning
was the first day and God said.
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- [Narrator] The choice to spend Christmas Eve
in lunar orbit was made because that was the time
of optimal lighting conditions for surveying
the Apollo landing site 1.
During the mission, astronauts
took photos of the Earth from the Moon,
including the second Earth rise picture,
which was higher quality than the Earth rise
taken previously by the Lunar Orbiter.
- [Controller] Apollo 8, Houston,
what does the old Moon look like from 60 miles over?
- [Astronaut] Okay, Houston, the Moon is essentially gray.
No color, looks like plaster of
Or sort of a grayish beach sand,
because he planted a bit of detail.
The craters are all round and off.
There's quite a few of them,
some are newer.
Many of 'em look like, especially the round ones,
look like hit by meteorites or projectiles of some sort.
- [Controller] A level we have a picture.
We see the Earth right in the center of the screen over.
- [Narrator] During these TV transmissions,
the astronauts also provided a verbal commentary
to accompany the footage being broadcast.
Contrary to popular belief, these broadcasts
were not extemporaneous or improvised performances.
Rather, both the footage and dialogue
were entirely scripted out prior to the flight.
The Apollo cover story was specifically designed
to allow those missions to be conducted in the public eye,
while at the same time actively concealing the fact
that evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life
might have been discovered in space and on the Moon.
The scripting protocols followed during the Apollo program
were for the most part highly effective
at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge
any sensitive information while they communicated
over the public radio channel with Houston.
However, when the astronauts were not
in radio contact with Mission Control,
they did on occasion make some unscripted
and rather candid comments to each other
about what they were observing outside their spacecraft.
These comments were captured by a device
mounted inside the Apollo command and service module
that was known as the data storage
equipment recorder or DSE.
The Apollo DSE was essentially a black box cockpit
voice and telemetry recording system.
In addition to recording a variety of spacecraft parameters
the DSE's 14 track tape also recorded
many internal crew conversations that took place
when the astronauts were not
communicating with Mission Control.
Although it is presumed that the recordings
were destroyed or lost,
the transcriptions were made at NASA
by the woman shown in this image and others.
And although they were originally classified,
those transcripts can be found today in the NASA archives.
Many of the comments captured by the DSE
were made when the spacecraft was behind
the far side of the Moon
with the astronauts describing various sites
not visible from Earth.
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- What's very interesting about
the Apollo 8 manned mission to the Moon is that
we would hear about all of these things
that astronauts and UFO researchers would repeat
being demonstrated in the communications,
photos and footage
throughout many other Apollo manned missions.
That is structures on the far side of the Moon,
UFOs, an anomalous activity in space,
as well as this eerie music or strange sounds
that the astronauts only heard
when they were on the far side of the Moon.
And what's interesting is that
we will hear a more detailed account
and more evidence of this strange music or sounds
on the far side of the Moon
in the later Apollo 10 manned mission.
And one has to wonder, is this sound
emanating from a base or maybe these structures
that were observed on the far side of the lunar surface
or was the sound actually coming from space?
And does the Moon operate as some kind of insulator
to feedback coming from space?
- [Narrator] March 3rd, 1969, Apollo 9
was the third man's space mission in the Apollo program
and the first flight with the Apollo lunar module.
The crew spent 10 days in low Earth orbit
testing several critical aspects of landing on the Moon,
including lunar module engines,
spacesuit life support systems, navigation systems,
and docking maneuvers.
- We were that first crew that was gonna get a chance
to fly this vehicle and test this vehicle
that was going to take human beings to the Moon.
We were very, very aware of the time pressure
and everything has to go right
if we're for sure gonna meet Kennedy's goal
of getting to the Moon in that decade and back.
We tested every possible thing that could be tested.
The mission was completely dedicated to testing the systems
the engines and the guidance and navigation,
all kinds of things that we could do in Earth orbit.
- Really very difficult to get
the coordinate system in your head.
Normally, we docked looking out this way
and for the dock we went to Lunar module
we had to look out this way.
So, the control system didn't operate
the way it normally would.
- [Astronaut] How does that support car handle, Jim?
- [Jim Lovell] Pretty nice.
- [Narrator] This was the first manned flight
of a lunar module,
the first docking and extraction with the lunar module,
the first completion of a two-man spacewalk
and the second docking of a two-man spacecraft.
- [Commander McDivitt] We depressurized
both the lunar module and the command module
and Rusty was going to get out
and transfer over to the command module.
And we were doing that to see that it could be done.
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- [Narrator] Two telecasts were made to Earth from Apollo 9.
The first, on March 5th, lasted for almost seven minutes.
The second telecast on the following day
lasted for about 13 minutes
and only showed interior views of the lunar module.
Photographs taken as part of the multi-spectral terrain
photographic experiment were successful.
- [Commander McDivitt] Now, Dave wanted to get it,
get out of the spacecraft too.
So we, part of the mission was for him to open up the hatch.
So, we were all out there in the vacuum.
- [Narrator] Here we are at this historic moment
that we are all part of, not just the astronauts,
but everybody who's alive today
and we're all on this small planet
as representative of life,
we're beginning to move out from this planet,
which as far as we know, contains all of the life
in our little corner of the universe.
- [Astronaut] Annual attitude control is good.
- [Controller] Roger, copy.
- [Astronaut] I'm gonna pull your flag,
oops, I bent that one.
- [Astronaut] BTU expenditure for each crew
and averaging 1,300 surgeon reports.
- [Controller] Jack, this is Houston.
- [indistinct]
Looks like your water temperature
is getting pretty high.
You might wanna go to intermediate cooling
or slow down or something.
Looks like your getting a little warm.
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- [Narrator] May 18th, 1969,
the Apollo 10 mission was the fourth manned mission
of the Apollo program.
- [Astronaut] Roger, Houston, Apollo 10.
You can tell the world that we have arrived.
- [Narrator] This mission was a successful synthesis
of the previous two completed missions.
It resulted in the lunar module
being placed for the first time in lunar orbit.
- And they give us a silver Snoopy for excellence warriors.
I wanted to honor the people that had worked so hard.
So we called it Snoopy,
but you needed two names so naturally
the other one was Charlie Brown.
- [Narrator] Stafford and Cernan were placed
in the lunar module, Snoopy,
after leaving the command service module.
They managed to place themselves
in an elliptical lunar orbit
about 14 kilometers above the lunar surface.
- You're amazed at what you see.
The one thing that always amazed me
were the size of the boulders.
There were these gigantic craters down on the bottom
would be boulder and up on the rim would be boulders.
- [Narrator] During the second and final return to the Moon,
the lunar module lost control,
which was regained shortly thereafter
by its pilot, Thomas Stafford.
- [Thomas Stafford] Yeah, okay.
Something went wild there and we're all set.
We didn't lock it.
We're going ahead to the audible.
- [Controller] Charlie Brown not Houston a guy saving it.
They had a wild gyration though,
but they got it under control.
- One thing people always ask,
were you frightened, were you scared?
The answer is no.
We were fighter pilots, test pilots.
So we knew what risk were.
You did everything you could to mitigate the risk,
but there was a risk.
So, we understood that.
- [Narrator] After completing this maneuver,
the lunar module was abandoned and launched
into orbit around the Sun.
As a final result, the mission was a success.
Separation and docking tests in the lunar orbit
between the command module
and the lunar module were all successful.
The lunar module descended to an altitude
of approximately 15 kilometers above the lunar surface.
- Well, we had a series of debriefings to them about,
because we had all the procedures worked out.
Actually, I went to Neil says, buddy, here you are.
Here's all the techniques,
all the procedures down to the last 50,000 feet.
And you take it there hard decent on the surface,
50,000 feet up, it's all done.
So they just followed all the procedures we had.
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We were using has some live cameras
to get the highest resolution.
Well, then and radar was going.
So radar map, photo maps and visually maps.
- But I'll tell you one thing, when we went over,
we made two passes over the landing site
and I tell you what,
I think I said things that boy we are down among,
I felt like I had to pick up my feet
to keep from dragging on top of the mountains.
I mean we were close and we're going over those hills
at 3,000 miles an hour.
So, you can just imagine what that was like.
And it was one of those quick touch and goes.
We didn't have a chance to put our tail hook down to stay.
And that would've been the big part of the challenge.
Nonetheless, we were only the second flight
to go to the Moon,
the first to take the lunar module.
And it was the right decision to be made
to get everything done.
And we found some problems that had we attempted to land
might have kept us from landing
and then paved a way for Apollo
to go hand and successfully land
So, it was the right decision at the right time.
- I have, I've looked at a lot of transcripts.
The Apollo lunar surface journal was great for that.
On Apollo 10, which is where we have
the images of Sinus Medii, it's really fascinating,
because Gene Cernan was on that mission
as well as Apollo 17.
And they're at 50,000 feet
and he says, wow, we are really down among them now.
I'm like there's nothing at 50,000 feet.
If the Moon is what they tell us is,
unless it's this artificial glass structure.
at 50,000 feet.
- [Interviewer] If they're scared of hitting it.
- Yeah, meaning he's in amongst towering stuff.
Well, it isn't the mountains,
'cause the mountains aren't that high for sure.
- [Narrator] In addition to recording telemetry related
to the performance of the lunar module spacecraft itself
the DSEA also made audio recordings
of any crew conversation throughout the mission.
- [Astronaut] Apollo can Houston, two minutes,
the LOS, everybody here says God speed.
- [Controller] Okay. and we'll see you right
on the other side in orbit.
- [Astronaut] Okay, this has got be
the greatest site ever here.
- [Astronaut] Try to stand up here.
[ominous music]
[ominous music continues]
- [Reporter] Noises reportedly were heard in May, 1969
by the Apollo 10 astronauts as they circled the Moon.
The sounds which lasted about an hour
were recorded and transmitted to Mission Control in Houston.
- The music even sounds outer space doesn't it?
You hear that?
That whistling sound?
Whoooooooo.
- [Controller] We are getting data.
We don't have any voice communication yet.
- [Astronaut] Roger Houston, Apollo 10.
You can tell the world that we have arrived.
- [Controller] Roger 10, it's good to hear from you.
- [Gene Cernan] You wouldn't believe this thing.
- [Astronaut] Roger 10, we're still
having problems popping up.
Oh, we'd like you to go to white beam for 30 seconds
and then back to narrow over.
- [Gene Cernan] No, I can see it with the naked eye
and I put the binocular on it
and I can it spinning around
and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B
but it's sure gotta be something like it.
- [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting.
- [Gene Cernan] You know, it's a beautiful sight.
We're sitting here, it's almost like science fiction.
Looking back at it, Bruce.
This is the peacock of Apollo 10, Roger.
And we'd like to say hello from the five of us if we may.
Roger.
[ominous music]
Charlie this is it.
It's so hard to describe.
You can go right up.
Uh,
It is incredible.
- [Controller] Okay, this has got to be
the greatest sight ever.
- [Astronaut] You gotta see it up here.
The land masses don't seem to stand out quite as clearly
today as they did yesterday.
[ominous music]
- [Controller] How's the view 10?
- [Astronaut] We have our student geologist here
overlook at the surface that they reported admitted.
- [Controller] Roger, standing by over.
- [Astronaut] Okay, we're just passing from the highlands
over into the Mari area and you can pass on to Jack.
We caught a couple of real pretty little volcanoes,
there's no doubt about 'em.
And we got a couple of good high resolution photos
and it still looks kind of brownish crater to us here over.
- [Controller] Roger, we copy, we hear that.
- [Astronaut] There was place back there where there's that.
There was one volcano or whatever it was
that it was all white on the outside,
but definitely black around the top of it.
- [Controller] Roger.
Charlie, it might sound corny,
but the view is really out of this world.
We had a couple of comments.
The back row that I won't repeat.
Apollo 10, Houston, two minutes to LOS.
Everybody here says God speed.
- [Astronaut] Okay, And we'll see you
on the other side in orbit.
- [Controller] Oh Roger, 76 22 55.
- Many skeptics and debunkers
will remark on the fact that
mainstream media was not reporting on UFOs, anomalies
and structures being witnessed by astronauts
during the Apollo manned missions.
And the simple reason why mainstream media
wasn't exposed to this back in the 1960s and seventies
during the Apollo missions is because
that information was deeply classified.
In fact, the DSEA tapes weren't actually declassified
till 12 years after these Apollo manned missions.
And additionally, we didn't have photography and film
fully examined by many of the UFO researchers
and independent researchers like Luna Cognita
until many years after.
- How can they keep the secret?
Some of these SETI people like really just make me laugh.
I've heard some pretty stupid comments
coming out of these mouths.
Like this assumption that, oh yeah, the press,
the media wants this scoop.
Well, the media doesn't want that scoop,
because they're not authorized to give it
and they won't give it,
'cause the intelligence community will tell them
what they can give.
And NASA doesn't want this scoop.
And I don't care what these SETI people
like to tell the public they don't want that scoop.
- So another case like this, which is really interesting,
is the case of NASA frame AS10-32-4822.
This is a photograph or a series of photographs
that was taken over the lunar surface
right in the middle Sinus Medii the sea in the middle.
The sea in the middle where the Apollo 10 spacecraft
was flying by and took photographs of this area.
This is dead center on the lunar disk.
If you were to look at the lunar disk,
you'd see a triangular shaped crater called you Kurt.
And then right next to it is the Sinus Medii area.
It's also an area where surveyor four disappeared in mid-air
while descending to a landing there
just like a bug went splat on a windshield.
So this is the photograph.
This is an original analog image that's been scanned in
by researchers back in the 1990s.
And it looks pretty straightforward.
This is actually AS10-32-4810.
So it's a couple images earlier.
It's 12 images earlier than that
over the Sinus Medii region.
And you notice in the background that
there's all this weird sort of stuff.
You see all this light sources,
now that can't be stars,
because the frame exposure is one 250th of a second.
If you go much longer than that,
the whole foreground is gonna be washed out with light.
So it has to be really, really rapid.
So it can't possibly be far distance stars
and galaxies and planets.
But if you enhance this image,
if you brighten up the background, it gets even weirder
because this is what the background is.
So what you see is that these light points
are actually just points of... structure
that is in this massive miles high...
geometric structure above the lunar surface over the sea
in the middle of Sinus Medii.
Now, if you notice, there are these crisscrossing lines
and people are like, oh,
those are just scratches on the negative.
Well, but that doesn't make any sense,
because when do scratches on the negative
follow the curvature of the lunar surface?
And when do they intersect at 90 degree angles,
like these do.
And again, as an engineer, I look at this,
I look at the spacing.
I say this is exactly how I would construct
a grid-like structure over the surface of the Moon.
If you zoom in on it, there's this sort of box-like shape.
And here's spars coming this way and spars coming that way.
And here's one crossing.
And these are all not scratches.
These all have structure to them.
They all have, if you look at them really, really closely,
they all have segments, they all have aspects to them
that make them appear to be engineering.
And when you enhance it, put a color into it,
it looks even weirder.
Here's another version with a slightly darker background.
So then you get a couple of pictures later
and you go to AS10-32-4816.
So four photographs later, over the surface of Sinus Medii.
Here you have the same phenomenon.
You have these little points of light,
which should not be there at all.
And then when you enhance that background, you see this.
This looks like, I don't know, skyscrapers on the Moon,
The Twin Towers.
I mean when you look and zoom up on this
and also notice this isn't
some sort of like digital artifact,
because if it was, it would be over the whole thing.
Yet, there's this big hole through which you can see
stuff in the background, more big towering stuff.
And when you zoom up on the edges of that,
you can see just how weird they are.
They look like big glass skyscrapers.
So having found this stuff,
Hoagland was really interested in finding more.
So he went and he got himself
an old North American photographic catalog
from the time period.
And as he looked at these images, he went and he said,
oh, well, look at some of these other ones.
These other catalog images don't look like much at all.
They look really over underexposed, including this one
which is completely blacked out.
It's like they left the lens cap on the camera or something.
So what did he do?
He ordered the blacked out photograph.
And when he got AS10-32-4822,
again, taken just what, six frames later,
he got this area of Sinus Medii,
which is about the size of the Los Angeles Basin,
and has been analyzed by geologists who said,
this is a completely non-natural pattern.
Again, 90 degrees, crisscrossing streets,
that kind of thing, as if you were looking at Los Angeles.
And as you zoom up on it, it gets even weirder.
And then there are objects that appeared
that then seemed to disappear.
What they did is they ordered 4822
once they thought they had something.
They ordered 4822 from nine different NASA archives
that existed at the time where
you could get photographic prints,
Hawaii, Maryland, Washington DC.
And what they found is that all nine of the versions
of AS10-32-4822 were different.
So what they realized was that what they were looking at
was probably a power winder sequence.
The spacecraft is moving left to right,
the astronauts looking out the window,
he's got a power winder on his Hasselblad.
He pushes down his finger and takes
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
And so, objects would appear
in some versions of 4822 and disappear in others.
Here's an example of one of those.
It looks like a giant paper clip near Los Angeles.
If you go back to Los Angeles, if you go back.
That object should be right here, it's not there.
But then the next frame, it is there,
because the light changes.
So this is a huge antenna.
This tower is a couple hundred feet tall
and whatever this thing is, it's an antenna or something.
It does not belong on the Moon.
If the Moon is what NASA tells us it is.
And there are other frames through the area of 4822
that show weird light reflection
like there's lights on down there.
And then there's this object,
which is my favorite one on the various versions of 4822.
It's pretty famous.
It's called The Castle.
And it appears to be hanging amidst all this stuff.
Just hanging there in space miles above the lunar surface.
It has segments that clearly look to me to be structural.
There's even a indication of a,
like a sagging line. - [Interviewer] Scaffolding?
- Yeah, scaffolding or a sagging like line
that it's hanging from.
You can see that this, the weight of this thing
is pulling on this wire that it's hanging from.
And it does appear in a couple
different versions of the frame.
Here's the one with the wire and then this one
is obviously the next one over and another step over
where the thing has not reflected the light,
because now the spacecraft has moved.
So, it's changed direction just a little bit.
The wire disappears that it's hanging from
and it's narrower.
See how it's narrower than it is here,
- [Interviewer] It's under exposed.
- Right, and basically,
because the light geometry is fading,
the light is not now bouncing directly into the camera
like it was a split second before that,
because the spacecraft is moving
at thousands of miles an hour.
And again, you go up to the edge of it
and you can see that there's sort of
an internal geometry to it.
There's a lot of cells and structures.
It is absolutely fascinating.
And they hid, they knew what was on these,
because they hid all nine of these photographs
under one frame number.
It should be 4822, 4823, 4824,
all the way up to 4832.
But it's not, it's all buried under one frame number,
which they, I will remind you,
blacked out in the catalog,
'cause they didn't want anybody to look at it.
But because of the religious aspects of this,
the weird, strange symbolism and stuff,
they couldn't just completely erase them from history.
They had to give you some access to the originals.
If it wasn't for Hoagland being super clever,
we would never have found this stuff.
[dramatic music]
[high pace music]
- For the first time, man is about
to set foot on the Moon surface.
This is the television camera that
will record that historic event.
You'll see it live on your home television set.
I'm Stan Lebar Westinghouse program manager
for Apollo television cameras.
The public is probably most familiar
with this color television camera
that was used by astronaut Tom Stafford on Apollo 10.
And this is a camera that took those
extraordinary color pictures of both the Earth and the Moon.
Incidentally, this color camera will be used
in the command module on Apollo 11.
But the world attention will be focused
on this small black and white camera
that will be located in the lens
and it will record the astronaut
as he descends to the lunar surface
and takes those first monumental steps.
- [Controller] This is Apollo Saturn launch control.
We passed the six minute mark
in our countdown for Apollo 11.
The flight to land the first men on the Moon.
The vehicle's starting to pressu
as far as the propellant tanks are concerned
and all is still go as we monitor our status for it.
Firing command coming in now.
They're on an automatic sequence
as the master computer supervises hundreds of events
occurring over these last few minutes.
Neil Armstrong reported back
when he received the good wishes
Thank you very much.
We know it will be a good flight.
Good luck and God speed.
40 seconds away from the Apollo 11 lift off.
All the second stage tanks now pressurized,
35 seconds and counting.
We are still go with Apollo 11, T minus 15 seconds.
Guidance is internal.
12, 11, 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6.
[rockets blasting]
- [Narrator] July 16th, 1969,
Apollo 11 was the fifth manned mission
of the US Apollo program
and the first in history to land a human being on the Moon.
[suspenseful music]
[rockets blasting]
- [Gary Martynuik] Today, I wanted to give you a closer look
at a very brief segment of 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture
footage from the NASA archives
that was originally shot back in July in 1969
during the flight of Apollo 11.
And the footage was taken throug
one of the windows of the command service module
during what was called the Trans-Lunar Coast
or TLC phase of the mission.
And this was the three-day period when the astronauts
were crossing the almost 400,000 kilometer
cislunar void that separates our Earth from the Moon.
And at some point during
this outbound journey through cislunar space,
one of the Apollo 11 astronauts
did some unscheduled shooting
with the 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture Camera.
And in the process managed to film
several unidentified objects outside their spacecraft.
And to show you what I mean,
While this particular clip has been
digitally archived by NASA, so that when played back,
it appears to be about one second in duration,
it is not actually showing us
a one second period of time caught on film.
This clip we're examining here is actually
time compressed stop motion footage.
And in this case, the sequence is comprised
of 11 individual distinct frames of 16 millimeter film
that were originally exposed at one frame per second
intervals over a period of 11 seconds.
And this type of stop motion filming was possible,
because the Mauer 16 mm DAC that was used
throughout the Apollo program was in fact
a variable frame rate motion picture camera
that was capable of shooting
at four different preset exposure speeds
either 1, 6, 12, or 24 frames per second.
And in the case of this footage, rather than archiving it
at the correct one frame per second playback speed,
they instead incorrectly archived the sequence
as if it had been shot at 12 frames per second instead.
So this means that NASA actually
present this stop motion sequence in such a way
that it is being shown at a playback rate
that's 12 times faster than
what the frames were actually exposed at.
Whatever these objects are,
they are clearly flying free in space.
And we can say with certainty that they are definitely
not any declared satellites or known debris.
We don't know what they are, where they came from,
how they got there, where they're going,
or what they're doing there.
And that by definition puts them
into the category of being unidentified.
- So if somebody's gonna say UFOs are just our craft
from a very top secret aerospace project,
and for example, some people will say the Phoenix Lights,
that might have been what's called a TR3B.
It's supposed to be this massive black budget craft
that was a crew and heavy equipment carrier
that would take stuff to space in sort of
what people label a secret space program.
What do you think about that?
- I don't believe it.
- You don't believe it?
- Nope, don't believe it.
- Would you say that the Phoenix-
- I think that the Phoenix Lights,
I mean that was like two miles across
from the eyewitness testimony,
including the Governor of Arizona.
And it could hover very, very slowly.
And when it took off, it took off
like at the speed of light.
I mean, it would change its shape
a little bit and just gone.
And then you have the telepathic aspect of it too,
from the witnesses that I spoke to.
So, I'm not gonna sit there and say that
I definitively can make a statement
that there's no such thing as a secret space program.
I just haven't seen the evidence for it
and I haven't heard the test testimony for it.
And I'm highly dubious, even though here I am
putting out a film on a UFO crash
with live aliens in the town,
but I haven't seen the evidence.
I mean, it makes sense that there would be,
there are sightings here.
Why wouldn't there be sightings out there?
It's not my area of expertise.
I don't dig into, I look into the phenomenon
and if it leads me to an astronaut, great.
And if not, you know, so I just know
that what Fay Ann Potter told me
about her brother Buzz Aldrin,
that they saw something on the way to the Moon.
[rhythmic suspenseful music]
[rhythmic suspenseful music continues]
[dramatic music]
- [Narrator] The lunar landing was on July 20th
of that same year.
And the following day, two astronauts became
the first to walk on the lunar surface.
[dramatic music continues]
- [Astronaut] Okay, engine stop APA at a defense
or control both auto-dependent command override off.
Engine arm off.
For 13 is in.
- [Astronaut] We copy it down, Eagle.
Houston, uh...
- [Controller] Roger tranquility we copy you on the ground.
You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue,
we're breathing again, thanks a lot.
- When we did get close and we rolled out
and saw it for the first time, it was a revelation.
It was gigantic, it filled our entire window.
- Flying through the Moon shadow
and seeing the Sun eclipsed by the Moon as we approached it,
that was a very spectacular sight.
- [Narrator] Commander Armstrong was the first human
to set foot on the surface of the Earth's satellite
on July 21st, 1969 at 02:56 UTC, international time
south of the Sea of Tranquility,
six and a half hours after landing on the Moon.
This historic milestone was broadcast to the entire planet
from the Parks Observatory in Australia.
- [Neil Armstrong] Here, men from the planet Earth,
first step foot upon the moon, July 1969.
We came in peace for all mankind.
[dramatic music]
[dramatic music continues]
- [Astronaut] It's beautiful.
- [Astronaut] Isn't that something?
Say here are you talking about a mysterious looking place.
They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up.
Make a nice photograph.
[dramatic music]
[dramatic music continues]
They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up.
Make a nice photograph.
[dramatic music continues]
- There's this thing that came out about 2014,
and it's an image that was found on the internet
that had actually been posted
back in the early days like 2002.
And it had a number as1120pyramid20small2.jpg,
that was the name of the image.
And it showed what clearly appears to be
an artificial structure on the surface of the Moon,
but nobody really knew where it came from.
The AS11 indicated that it was an Apollo 11 shot,
and it took researchers quite a while
to actually find the image.
And it turned out the image was AS11-38-5564.
Now this is interesting,
because it was an image that was taken,
it was a photograph that was taken
by one of the Apollo 11 astronauts,
either Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin or Michael Collins
shooting out the window of the command module
as they were flying over the lunar surface
on trans Earth injection.
They had already fired the engine,
they were heading towards Earth
and they were just shooting the hell
out of the backside of the Moon.
Now, the interesting thing about this is that
they took these pictures just, again,
probably with a power winder,
one after the other, after the other.
But the film was so good that they could take
just lots and lots of photographs.
This is the image as it appeared in an a NASA archive.
And it's an image of a crater called Daedalus.
Now, this thing is very, very near the crater Daedalus,
it's actually Daedalus R, I believe.
And Daedalus is dead center on the back disc of the Moon.
In other words, it's the exact antipode,
the other side of Sinus Medii where we just saw The Castle.
So you might expect to find something there.
I have a feeling this is why they were photographing this.
So in that area, and again,
this is Sinus Medii with the triangular crater,
pretty interesting stuff.
And then on the back you have this Ziggurat.
So, as we looked at this thing,
it began to look more and more like something
that was completely artificial and did not belong there.
And again, I went through it, did some enhancement,
tried to get more detail out.
And what you see, or at least what I saw
is these four walls, this wall structure,
sort of a weird angled front end to it.
Kind of there's a triangle shape there,
and then there's like a central box with maybe windows.
There's a passageway to actually enter it
and like a little dome on top.
Pretty bizarre stuff.
Well, somebody pointed out this looks a lot like
the Ziggurat at Ur in Mesopotamia or modern day Iraq.
And yeah, here's this basic structure.
Here's these entrances, these walkways,
this is what it looked like when they first found it
in the 1930s and it's now been re-excavated.
And this is what the original structure looked like.
You have exterior walls,
you have an interior square structure,
you have a single entranceway,
which is how they were set up for defense.
And then you have these ramps leading up to it.
Now, if you were to take these ramps
and like fill them in, again, here's a little dome.
So, a little dome right here on top of the structure.
So, it looks basically like this
Like there's an exterior structure
and an interior structure like a Ziggurat.
And again, I'm gonna remind you, okay,
here's a dome, here's a little dome,
here's an interior square structure,
here's the interior square structure,
here's the exterior walls, there they are.
And then here's, if you took this area
and filled it in, it would look with dirt,
it would look probably just like this thing does.
The problem is when you go to AS11-38-5564,
it doesn't really look quite the same.
So we finally found the object near the crater Daedalus R.
This is the area involved.
This is the original image that was found
by a guy named KK Samurai, by the way.
That was what he called himself.
He's the one who found that he was given this image
by a very interesting character.
So here is the Daedalus Ziggurat, on today's image.
It's gone, right? Where is it?
Well, it's actually supposed to be right here,
right here in the middle.
But there's the front ramps, there's the,
but it's all gone.
It's just blank, it's nothing but a crater.
And again, I did the best I could with it,
with what they have on NASA's surface now.
It doesn't look like really anything.
They've blurred it out. They've... [inaudible]
They've added shadows.
And again, I'm gonna tell you again,
I went and analyzed the interior of this crater
and this area here.
And again, it's one color, pitch black,
over the entire thing.
That means they drew on this, they drew on this.
If they drew on this, they drew on other parts of it too.
So, again, from a distance, as you step back,
it kind of looks like the same thing,
but it actually really doesn't.
They're trying to convince you this is nothing,
but an optical illusion.
Now, I got into very strong conflict
with a couple of NASA guys over there.
They're like, oh, it's obviously nothing.
You know, you can't, yeah, you're crazy.
You don't know what you're looking at.
But clearly what's happened here is that
the original image from which KK Samurai
drew his conclusions and his version
is completely different than 5564.
The problem is, is we didn't know at the time originally
where he got this interesting version.
Where did he get it from, and what was on it?
But here's the thing, this is supposed to be
the Ziggurat right here.
But as I looked at this image, I found that there was,
even though they had erased the Ziggurat,
there was a lot of other interesting stuff
on here they didn't erase.
A lot of interesting stuff.
These are some of the areas that are marked
as we go through them real quickly.
There's this particular, um, guy,
which is just a sort of a normal crater.
But then what is this thing up above here?
What is this one up here?
Number five, up in the corner of the image.
And as we zoom up on that,
I see stuff that with my trained eye
looks really, really weird.
This is the area where they have
blacked out the sky behind this.
Well, what is this thing?
Well, if you look at it, it's pretty bizarre,
because what you've got here is this is a hangar
cut into the side of this mountain.
It's filled in with debris in the front.
And that would be the other side.
You're looking at it at an angle
and then this is some sort of disc shape
with something else going on.
Like what the hell are these things?
See, stone, spire, stone, spire, stone, what are they?
But it's right there and they're all in the same area.
Because if you have one anomaly, no matter how clear it is,
if there's nothing else around it,
you can't really say it's something.
It could just be, again, a really bizarre looking artifact.
So let's go back and look, this is another,
there's like a tube that you can follow
that runs for miles and miles along the surface
and then seems to attach itself like a drill
underneath this overhanging ridge.
This thing is hanging there.
There's all kinds of structure.
It's just bizarre.
- People who come here to this museum
and look at our spacecraft, Columbia,
are most often struck by its small size,
which from their perspective is understandable.
From our point of view, the command module
was a wonderful improvement over our previous spacecraft,
which were really cramped.
And so, we enjoyed the luxury of a big volume machine.
- Yeah, I thought we had amazingly good accommodations.
We had hot and cold water.
The food was even edible.
All in all, it was a nicely packaged, small enclosure,
and we could comfortably have stayed there
far in excessive eight days.
- [Narrator] On July 24th, the three astronauts
achieved a perfect splash down in the waters
of the Pacific Ocean ending the mission.
[inspirational music]
- Well, it proved that the United States
could accomplish tremendous goals
if they worked together as a team.
- After the flight of Apollo 11,
Neil Armstrong, Buzz Alder and I
had an around the world tour.
And every place we went, I thought they'd
in some places have the attitude of,
oh, well you Americans finally did this.
Not at all, the attitude, every country,
regardless of their internal politics,
they all said, we did it, we humans.
[audience applauding]
[audience applauding continues]
- It was our pleasure to have
participated in one great adventure.
It's an adventure that took place
not just in the month of July,
but rather one that took place in the last decade.
We all here and the people listening in today
had the opportunity to share that adventure
over its developing and unfolding
in the past months and years.
It's our privilege today to share with you
some of the details of that final month of July.
That was certainly the highlight
for the three of us of that decade.
We're going to divert a little bit
from the format of past press conferences
and talk about the things that interested us most.
In particular, the things that occurred
on and about the Moon.
- [Reporter] Apollo 11 astronaut, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin,
the second man to walk on the Moon,
has actually given an interview where he confirmed
that certain segments of his Apollo mission
were indeed carefully scripted
to control exactly what the public saw and heard.
Back in 2003, Aldrin was interviewed
for Neil Armstrong's only authorized biography.
And during that interview, he was asked about
whether some of the live television transmissions
that were made from the CSM during the flight
really were improvised and unscripted.
And in response, Aldrin first admits that NASA
quote went to great lengths unquote
to make sure that they appeared unscripted.
And he then goes on to say the following,
and I'll quote Aldrin directly here.
- We will use a number of films and slides,
which most of you have already seen,
and with the intent of pointing out
some of the things that we observed on the spot,
which may not be obvious to those of you
who are looking at them here from the surface of Earth.
- [Narrator] This motion picture DAC footage
was recorded during the Apollo 11 ascent back into orbit
and famously presents an orb-lik
flying along the lunar horizon.
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- What's very interesting about the Apollo 11 manned mission
is that this mission also would be very rife with rumors of
anomalous or UFO activity out there on the Moon.
In fact, one of the rumors that's quite prevalent
is that a craft was waiting.
A non-terrestrial craft was waiting on the lunar surface
for the Apollo 11 astronauts
when they did their first Moon walks.
Another rumor that actually came from Buzz Aldrin,
the Apollo 11 astronaut himself,
was that a UFO was following the Apollo spacecraft
on the way to the Moon in the middle of cislunar space.
And the astronauts had tracked it
while they were floating through space.
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- Buzz Aldrin could have been one of these important figures
that actually proved there is UFO activity
happening in outer space.
But unfortunately, he became very contradictory
on his initial story in mainstream media.
- There was something out there that was close enough
to be observed and, uh, what could it be?
Mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope
and he was able to do that.
And when it was in one position
that had a series of ellipses,
but when you made it real sharp,
it was sort of L-shaped that didn't tell us very much.
Now obviously, the three of us were not gonna blurt out,
Hey Houston, we got something moving alongside of us
and we don't know what it is.
Can you tell us what it is?
We weren't about to do that,
'cause we know that those transmissions
would be heard by all sorts of people
and who knows what somebody would've demanded
that we turned back because of aliens
or whatever the reason is.
So, we didn't do that, but we did decide,
we just cautiously ask Houston where,
how far away was the S4B.
And a few moments later why they came back
and said something like, it was 6,000 miles away,
because of the maneuver.
So, we really didn't think we were
looking at something that far away.
So, we decided that after a while of watching it,
it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore
until we came back in debriefing.
I saw this illumination that was moving
with respect to the stars.
We were smart enough to not say,
Houston, there's a light out there that's following us.
So, technically becomes an unidentified flying object.
[Echo] Flying object.
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- All I can think about.
But in any case, I was on set and I was just a gopher
and I turned out I got a little role,
but Mickey Rooney was like, "Oh, what are you doing
when you're not here helping us out?"
And I said, "I'm making a UFO film."
He goes, "Oh, I'm friends with Buzz Aldrin
and you should talk to him sometime.
He's got some pretty interesting stories."
And so, that was my initial in with Buzz Aldrin.
Um,
And then I would say probably three years later
I met Fay Ann Potter, Buzz Aldrin's sister.
So I'm talking to Fay Ann Potter and I said,
I found out it was her brother was Buzz Aldrin.
And I'm like, I worked on this movie set
and I found out through Mickey Rooney
that your brother had a sighting, some...
but I didn't get any specifics.
She said, oh yeah, he had two encounters with UFOs
and one was when he was piloting,
this is what she told me,
this is what Buzz Aldrin's sister told me, okay?
She said that he had, and I don't know what year it was,
but I think it was before he went to the Moon.
He was flying a fighter jet and he chased a disc.
And she said that he was so moved by the experience
that he called her and he was still shaking from it.
He said he chased it till he couldn't go any higher,
didn't catch it.
That's what she told me.
Then she said he also told her
that they...
saw something,
or something followed them to the Moon.
But it was like not just a quick sighting.
I think it went on for like a day or two.
That's what she told me.
So, between Fay Ann Potter and Mickey Rooney
and his wife, Jan Rooney,
they said,
we think we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.
So, they got my foot in the door, they contacted him.
Good kid, he's doing this documentary
and Buzz Aldrin agrees to meet with me.
- He's in Europe.
- That's the problem.
He was in France on tour for some book that he was doing.
Yes, I'll meet with James, but I'm on this book tour
and I'm gonna be in Monte Carlo on these dates.
If he wants to meet me in Monte Carlo
I'll meet with him and do an interview.
So of course, I'm gonna do that.
And I've got Buzz Aldrin, I think I've borrowed money
from somebody, I can't remember who.
And we get to his hotel and the concierge comes and says,
Mr. Fox? say, Yes? You have a telephone call.
And I, okay.
And he gives me the phone and it's Buzz Aldrin,
I can't do the interview.
I said, it's like, what do you mean
you can't do the interview?
I traveled all this way.
He said, I can't do it.
He said, it was Paul Allen.
- [Darcy Weir] Paul Allen?
- It was Paul Allen.
He said, Paul Allen just invested in SETI
and he was labeled a UFO quack, something like that.
- And he didn't wanna be labeled.
- And he said, I'm trying to get money from Congress
to develop a rocket that'll put citizens in space
and I will not jeopardize that initiative.
And how's my coming forward gonna change anything anyway.
And I responded how I felt and I said,
well, with all due respect, sir,
it takes people of your stature
to elevate this whole, you know, phenomenon
out of the rut that it's in.
And your contribution, your testimony,
would be of the utmost significance.
You know? He said, well, I'm not doing it.
And he was almost kind of angry or something
like, well, I did something wrong, you know?
And, um,
But he said, how's my story gonna change anything?
He didn't deny it at all.
And he was gonna go on camera and tell me about it.
- 12 men have ever walked on the Moon.
And the man who did it the second time
anyone walked on the Moon was Buzz Aldrin.
He was part of the first mission that got there,
The national astronaut on Apollo 11.
He's here with a model of Apollo 11.
He was with the first pair with Neil Armstrong, of course.
And Buzz, the panel remains so that
they might wanna pop something at him.
But Buzz, what's your connection with this program?
What did you see?
- What did I see?
Well, the first day out, maybe six hours after launch,
we were scheduled to make a mid-course correction.
I'd like to show you a few things in this rocket
just to point out the condition that we were in.
We separate the command and service module
and it turns around like this
and it docks with the lunar module.
Now, notice these three and four panels,
whenever the command module separates and turns around,
those panels go off in four different directions.
And we can look out these windows
and see the Earth drift by and see the Moon drift by.
- [Larry King] And what did you see?
- And I saw a light out there.
Okay, this is after we had witnessed
the upper stage rocket next to us
make an evasive maneuver to miss the Moon.
And we thought, wonder what that is?
You know, there are a lot of lights out there
when you're not looking in the direction of the Sun.
There are a lot of stars and they're all fixed
relative to each other.
Now, one of 'em starts moving or it's moving
and we know that that's another object, it's not a star.
We started thinking a little bit more
about these four panels and I'd seen a graph
where it showed the separation distance
that was calculated before liftoff,
before the whole mission went
of where these panels would be
in case the spacecraft made some maneuver
and they guaranteed there'd be no.
- Hold it right there, you got me hooked.
- Fast forward...
- many years later, - Oh yeah, oh yeah,
- Oh my God. - you were on CNN.
- So I had no idea.
I get- I had broken a story with Fife Symington
who was the former Governor of Arizona, okay?
- And- - The Phoenix Lights.
- The Phoenix Lights case that he had not only
that he'd seen it, he did actually investigate it
and that he felt it was otherworld.
It was a big story.
And I was all over the news and we got invited on CNN.
I think it was the 60th anniversary of Roswell,
but I'm not positive.
- Larry King Live.
- Yeah, Larry King Live.
And I see Buzz Aldrin in the green room,
and I walked outta the green room
and I turned over to Fife Symington,
the former Governor of Arizona.
And I said, man, I can't wait to go.
This is the first time I've seen him
since he canceled this interview with me 10 years earlier,
or whatever it was.
And really no explanation given I borrowed all this money
and I know he's had these,
they're gonna get him out here just debunking everything.
And Fife says, you know, James,
that guy's an iconic figure in the United States history.
I mean, he landed on the Moon with Neil Armstrong.
You really can't be doing that
to him on a national live TV show.
- He might even punch you.
- But he is a big, he is a very famous, respected,
- He's a hero. - He's a hero.
- And so I toned it down
and then I just watched him,
basically lie on live television
- What did I see during the flight?
- [Larry King] Yeah, you saw- - We saw
- one of the four panels, the 99.999.
- Okay, I was told by a very close source of yours
that you actually saw something other than that.
- A lot of people have said things that I saw.
- I don't want to reveal the source.
- That doesn't mean that I saw.
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- In your years of flying,
- Oh. - As you said,
you've seen strange things.
- Well, yeah, I was flying a T33, I guess
and I looked out and saw a star out there,
but it wasn't a star, it was Venus.
But it kept following me all along.
And you would swear that it's another object out there
and you can turn.
And I wanna congratulate you on your magic show
last night with all the illusions,
because now we're getting a lot more illusions tonight.
And can you explain everything that happened
with Chris Angel last night? - I cannot explain anything.
- No, you can't.
- Doesn't make it.
- [Buzz Aldrin] That's right.
- Here's what I'm gonna do, folk
I'm gonna take a break, come back and get the thought.
- One of my biggest regrets was
I didn't get Fay Ann Potter on camera to,
I never thought she would just die so quickly.
I didn't even know she was sick, you know?
But Fay Ann Potter told me
that he had a very dramatic encounter with a flying saucer
while he chased the disc,
'cause it is what she said.
While piloting in a fighter jet.
And that they were followed by something
that they were not able to explain to the Moon.
She did not say he had a sighting on the Moon.
She didn't tell me that.
She said on the way to the Moon.
- Right.
- Now, what happened on the Moon?
I have no idea, but that's what she told me.
- Apollo 11 was purely symbolic.
It was land on the Moon in the middle of nowhere,
avoid all this stuff that we're concerned about,
because there's a whole theory.
That we can land on the Moon,
and it was out in the middle of nowhere
and it was where the stars
were aligned properly in the Sea of Tranquility
for Buzz Aldrin to perform his ceremony,
which consecrated the Moon itself as a Masonic temple,
and Apollo 11 tranquility base as a Masonic temple.
That was the purpose.
All the other missions were salvage missions.
Let's go land where we think interesting stuff is,
ancient alien technology,
call it an anarchy technology if you want to.
Left behind and bring it back
and do a Terminator to reverse engineering type thing.
And I mean, it's pretty clear
as you look at the photographic record.
Oh, did they see that?
Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.
Did they see this?
Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.
I'm sure they realized that's not a rock,
because they were very well trained in all this stuff.
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- Welcome to Tucker Carlson.
Today, the crazy thing about the topic of UFOs
is how when you get into it, how really non-crazy,
a lot of the people who know a lot
about the topic turn out to be.
They're kind of the opposite of what you imagine.
They're not for conspiracy nuts.
A lot of them are just scientists.
Garry Nolan is definitely at the top of that list.
He's a Harvard, he's a Stanford rather, professor,
Stanford PhD, an immunologist.
And he has over the last decade or two,
spent a lot of time studying the harmful effects
that apparent encounters with UFOs have on the human brain.
- So my main job, my day job at Stanford
for the last 30 years has been
the development of technologies to look at cancer.
It was circa 2011 or so when some people from the CIA
and an aerospace company came to me
to ask me for their help on the analysis
of some individuals who had been,
had encountered some anomalous objects they said.
And I mean they came to my office unannounced
and then started laying out pictures
and data on the table in front of me.
Then that's a huge operation in the government
to deal with those.
In fact, the Senate Intelligence Committee
just came out with a report this morning
that has language specifically in it
to look at the Havana Syndrome cases
and to understand it.
Also has interesting, I don't know if you saw it,
it also has language about UAPs.
And basically, admonishing the defense department saying,
you guys have been dragging your feet.
No, no more, whistleblower language.
They actually, there was also a situation
where they wanna go all the way back to 1947,
collect, they want the,
all the Defense Department and the CIA, et cetera
to collect all the information
around events that have occurred.
They want all of, interestingly,
the NDAs, the non-disclosure agreements,
they want those all listed,
because the NDAs are associated to people.
And that means they can start
to name the people who have been involved.
They want all of the information on the disinformation
and the obfuscation that's been going on.
And they want information about
the medical harms that have occurred.
- If we look at this Tucker Carlson interview
that happened with the Stanford University professor,
it gives one hope about the disclosure and this movement
in which we might get in the mainstream media.
The fact that we're not alone sometime in the future.
These congressional hearings in which experiencers
are going to testify before Congress.
Experiencers being people that were witness to UFOs
and actually were physically affected
by their proximity to these UFOs.
Now, these experiencers are important,
but it pains me to think that
important whistleblowers like Karl Wolfe
are no longer around to also take part
in these congressional hearings.
Karl Wolfe passed away in 2018.
Just like John Mack was hit by a car,
and this tragically ended his life.
In 2018, Karl Wolfe was also hit by a car
when he was on his bike.
And this is a very unfortunate loss.
His family mourns his loss,
as does the UFO research community.
- Well, let's say we know all of these implications,
and let's say it's 1960
and we know some of these things, right?
Well, you think of the world back then.
The world of 1960,
no way would that world be ready
for some of the intellectual realities
of what we think we know now.
Because actually our knowledge of this subject
has gone way deeper in our era than it ever was in the past.
In the past, they're thinking like
the day the Earth stood still,
you know, men, maybe some women in space suits
from another world in their metal spaceships
have just arrived.
And you know, that whole thing.
And that's how people were talking back in the fifties.
That's what they thought.
Or at least some of them were thinking along these lines.
And that's clearly not like we're well past that,
whatever the reality of this is,
this phenomenon signifies a reality that is mind bending.
That we're gonna have to make some adjustments.
So let's say back in 1960, we've got some inkling of this.
And we have to ask ourselves,
what the hell do we do with this information?
And how could we ever get the public up to speed on this?
And if we were to really think seriously about that,
we would realize this will take generations.
This cannot happen right away.
There's no way.
No way.
- I don't think it's gonna come as a surprise to folks
that have been following us on this journey
that Apollo 12 has many of the examples of anomalies,
structures on the Moon and UFOs
that we will also see in later Moon missions.
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