WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:51.718 --> 00:00:52.802 Damn it. 4 00:02:06.918 --> 00:02:08.169 Fuck! 5 00:02:09.337 --> 00:02:10.463 Fuck! 6 00:03:09.314 --> 00:03:14.319 I'm willing to struggle through the learning process, 7 00:03:14.402 --> 00:03:16.571 even change my approach 8 00:03:16.654 --> 00:03:18.448 just to figure out how to do it. 9 00:03:24.203 --> 00:03:26.372 I never want to back down from a challenge. 10 00:03:31.544 --> 00:03:36.007 If you're convinced that you're going to fail, 11 00:03:36.090 --> 00:03:38.009 that will come to fruition. 12 00:03:55.234 --> 00:03:58.655 I was willing to get hurt along the way, 13 00:03:58.738 --> 00:04:02.241 but I didn't visualize myself getting hurt along the way. 14 00:04:07.789 --> 00:04:10.959 I always approached it like, "This is going to work." 15 00:04:13.419 --> 00:04:15.213 "I'm going to figure this out." 16 00:05:05.972 --> 00:05:07.682 My mom used to like to tell the story 17 00:05:07.765 --> 00:05:10.560 that when she would play tennis with me, 18 00:05:10.643 --> 00:05:14.397 I would purposely just try to hit her with the balls. 19 00:05:18.651 --> 00:05:19.694 She scolded me at one point. 20 00:05:19.777 --> 00:05:20.695 She's like, 21 00:05:20.778 --> 00:05:23.656 "I think you're trying to hit me, Tony. 22 00:05:23.740 --> 00:05:24.866 "I'm not going to play with you 23 00:05:24.949 --> 00:05:26.909 if you're just trying to hurt me." 24 00:05:30.163 --> 00:05:32.373 I don't know what my disorder was, 25 00:05:32.457 --> 00:05:36.252 but I was definitely difficult. 26 00:05:36.335 --> 00:05:38.087 I was determined to have my way 27 00:05:38.171 --> 00:05:42.216 to the point of being very combative. 28 00:05:43.551 --> 00:05:46.471 My mom would say that I was-- 29 00:05:46.554 --> 00:05:48.639 she just said I was very determined. 30 00:05:52.268 --> 00:05:53.644 I was really young, 31 00:05:53.728 --> 00:05:56.731 but I remember my mom was so frustrated with me 32 00:05:56.814 --> 00:05:58.066 'cause I just wouldn't do what she said. 33 00:05:58.149 --> 00:06:00.026 I wanted to do something, I wanted to do something else, 34 00:06:00.109 --> 00:06:02.904 I--and she finally just said, 35 00:06:02.987 --> 00:06:06.032 "If you don't stop being difficult, 36 00:06:06.115 --> 00:06:08.159 I'm going to flush myself down the toilet." 37 00:06:08.242 --> 00:06:11.287 I didn't believe it, I didn't care, I didn't quit, 38 00:06:11.370 --> 00:06:15.917 and she went in the bathroom and flushed the toilet and hid. 39 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.295 She watched me lean over, the toilet is swirling, going, 40 00:06:19.378 --> 00:06:21.923 "My mommy!" 41 00:06:33.226 --> 00:06:36.646 - I think she is in the beauty parlor. 42 00:06:36.729 --> 00:06:37.855 - Oh, really? 43 00:06:37.939 --> 00:06:39.023 both: Hi. 44 00:06:41.025 --> 00:06:43.152 - I'm gonna pull her out whenever she's done. 45 00:06:43.236 --> 00:06:44.278 - Okay. 46 00:06:44.362 --> 00:06:45.279 - All right, thank you. 47 00:06:45.363 --> 00:06:46.781 - Thank you. Bye-bye. 48 00:07:01.045 --> 00:07:02.922 - Hi, Mom. 49 00:07:03.005 --> 00:07:04.382 Hi, Mom, it's Tony. 50 00:07:04.465 --> 00:07:06.050 How are you? 51 00:07:09.762 --> 00:07:12.181 How have you been? You look good. 52 00:07:12.265 --> 00:07:14.225 I leave for Montreal next week 53 00:07:14.308 --> 00:07:16.435 for another one of those skate contests. 54 00:07:18.688 --> 00:07:22.108 Keegan is turning 18 in a couple weeks... 55 00:07:24.277 --> 00:07:26.821 Which is a frightening prospect. 56 00:07:26.904 --> 00:07:28.906 And then once Calvin is out, we only have Kady. 57 00:07:28.990 --> 00:07:31.492 It's gonna be crazy. 58 00:07:31.576 --> 00:07:32.660 But I guess by that time, 59 00:07:32.743 --> 00:07:33.911 the older kids will move back in. 60 00:07:33.995 --> 00:07:35.538 Isn't that what they do? 61 00:07:39.542 --> 00:07:41.085 Maybe not. Your kids didn't. 62 00:07:44.755 --> 00:07:46.883 'Cause you taught us to be independent. 63 00:07:57.894 --> 00:07:59.103 It was always a big deal 64 00:07:59.187 --> 00:08:01.522 that my mom was 43 when she had me. 65 00:08:03.608 --> 00:08:04.859 People would say, 66 00:08:04.942 --> 00:08:06.402 "Oh, she's much older," you know? 67 00:08:06.485 --> 00:08:08.988 And, "There are lots of risks involved." 68 00:08:09.071 --> 00:08:11.365 - Tony and I are 20 years apart. 69 00:08:11.449 --> 00:08:12.700 I was a junior in college 70 00:08:12.783 --> 00:08:15.244 when my mom told me she was pregnant. 71 00:08:15.328 --> 00:08:17.538 - I was a senior in high school. 72 00:08:17.622 --> 00:08:21.375 All of Tony's siblings, including me, we're older. 73 00:08:21.459 --> 00:08:24.086 - I'm 12 1/2 years older than Tony, 74 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:25.838 so when he was young, especially, 75 00:08:25.922 --> 00:08:29.759 our relationship was almost as much... 76 00:08:29.842 --> 00:08:31.761 paternal as fraternal. 77 00:08:31.844 --> 00:08:33.763 - I was basically an only child, 78 00:08:33.846 --> 00:08:38.059 and my parents were old enough to be my grandparents. 79 00:08:38.142 --> 00:08:41.395 - He was stuck at home with my mom and dad 80 00:08:41.479 --> 00:08:44.065 at a time when their marriage wasn't so great. 81 00:08:44.148 --> 00:08:45.900 - My dad wasn't working a lot. 82 00:08:45.983 --> 00:08:48.152 He had been retired from the Navy 83 00:08:48.236 --> 00:08:51.113 and kind of finding his way. 84 00:08:51.197 --> 00:08:52.323 - My brother was a surfer. 85 00:08:52.406 --> 00:08:55.785 He drove him, you know, dawn patrol to get the waves. 86 00:08:55.868 --> 00:08:57.370 My sister was a singer. 87 00:08:57.453 --> 00:08:59.622 He was hauling all their band gear. 88 00:08:59.705 --> 00:09:03.209 He was the coach of our baseball team. 89 00:09:04.502 --> 00:09:07.088 The first time I ever went to bat in Little League, 90 00:09:07.171 --> 00:09:09.006 I was probably about eight or nine. 91 00:09:09.090 --> 00:09:11.550 I knew I was gonna hit it. I was gonna get a home run. 92 00:09:11.634 --> 00:09:12.802 Failure was not an option. 93 00:09:12.885 --> 00:09:15.596 I didn't even consider what would happen if I struck out. 94 00:09:15.680 --> 00:09:17.306 And then I remember striking out 95 00:09:17.390 --> 00:09:19.308 and thinking the world had ended. 96 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:25.606 I always felt a little misplaced 97 00:09:25.690 --> 00:09:28.109 in all of those sports. 98 00:09:28.192 --> 00:09:29.944 I couldn't do the physical things 99 00:09:30.027 --> 00:09:31.279 that most of my peers could do 100 00:09:31.362 --> 00:09:33.656 because they were bigger and they were stronger, 101 00:09:33.739 --> 00:09:36.450 and so I was always just feeling uncomfortable 102 00:09:36.534 --> 00:09:39.662 and kind of disappointed in myself. 103 00:09:39.745 --> 00:09:42.456 - People would say, "Oh, you have adult children, 104 00:09:42.540 --> 00:09:44.750 and you have-- and you have Tony?" 105 00:09:44.834 --> 00:09:47.837 She goes, "Yeah, he's our little mistake." 106 00:09:49.839 --> 00:09:52.008 - I really do think that that played a role 107 00:09:52.091 --> 00:09:56.554 in his, um...his psyche. 108 00:09:56.637 --> 00:09:59.348 That she would have had an abortion if she could have 109 00:09:59.432 --> 00:10:00.641 in some ways, I think, 110 00:10:00.725 --> 00:10:04.020 maybe made him want to prove himself. 111 00:10:04.103 --> 00:10:06.230 - Bye, Mom. I love you. We'll see you soon, okay? 112 00:10:09.984 --> 00:10:12.820 - Thanks for the visit. Enjoy your lunch. 113 00:10:17.616 --> 00:10:19.035 Do you see me now? 114 00:10:31.881 --> 00:10:35.051 My mom was always careful with her words, 115 00:10:35.134 --> 00:10:36.677 always positive. 116 00:10:36.761 --> 00:10:38.387 And then, I think, one day, 117 00:10:38.471 --> 00:10:40.222 I was just pushing her buttons, 118 00:10:40.306 --> 00:10:42.641 and she's like, "You know, you're just full of it. 119 00:10:42.725 --> 00:10:44.435 You're just full of it, Tony. Full of it." 120 00:10:44.518 --> 00:10:46.687 I'm like, "What?" She goes, "You're full of... 121 00:10:46.771 --> 00:10:47.980 "shit. 122 00:10:48.064 --> 00:10:49.065 You're full of shit." 123 00:10:49.148 --> 00:10:50.858 And I was like... 124 00:10:50.941 --> 00:10:53.736 - Tony was a bit of a dick when he was little. 125 00:10:53.819 --> 00:10:55.696 Stubborn as fuck. 126 00:10:55.780 --> 00:10:57.656 He and my dad would bicker like crazy. 127 00:10:57.740 --> 00:10:59.158 I got along with Tony way better 128 00:10:59.241 --> 00:11:00.701 when it was just the two of us. 129 00:11:00.785 --> 00:11:02.244 So I would often go off-- we'd go off, 130 00:11:02.328 --> 00:11:03.954 go to the beach or go someplace. 131 00:11:04.038 --> 00:11:06.582 - And I remember he and his friend were skating 132 00:11:06.665 --> 00:11:08.542 in the alleyway, 133 00:11:08.626 --> 00:11:10.086 and there was another skateboard, 134 00:11:10.169 --> 00:11:12.505 this older one that was just sitting there, 135 00:11:12.588 --> 00:11:15.007 and I said, "Well, can I try that one?" 136 00:11:15.091 --> 00:11:18.094 I just was going down the alley, 137 00:11:18.177 --> 00:11:20.262 yelling back, "How do I turn? How do I turn?" 138 00:11:20.346 --> 00:11:22.098 And then I eventually ran into the fence. 139 00:11:22.181 --> 00:11:23.599 It wasn't like the skies parted 140 00:11:23.682 --> 00:11:25.559 and there was some great revelation. 141 00:11:25.643 --> 00:11:28.646 It was more like, "Oh, this is hard." 142 00:11:32.858 --> 00:11:35.945 - You know, that skateboard has gone on to be kind of a thing. 143 00:11:36.028 --> 00:11:38.948 It's now--we-- it's in the Smithsonian. 144 00:11:40.199 --> 00:11:41.659 - Freedom. 145 00:11:41.742 --> 00:11:45.246 I'm moving fast, but I'm in control 146 00:11:45.329 --> 00:11:47.456 and I'm flowing. 147 00:11:47.540 --> 00:11:49.708 I could just cruise the landscape. 148 00:11:49.792 --> 00:11:52.086 Going down hills. 149 00:11:52.169 --> 00:11:55.589 Terrible ramps in our driveway. 150 00:11:55.673 --> 00:11:58.008 Everything about it spoke to me. 151 00:11:58.092 --> 00:11:59.176 - He just needed focus, 152 00:11:59.260 --> 00:12:02.304 and so when he started focusing and skateboarding, 153 00:12:02.388 --> 00:12:04.140 he changed. 154 00:12:10.729 --> 00:12:11.981 - He just calmed down. 155 00:12:12.064 --> 00:12:13.607 He just walked through the world 156 00:12:13.691 --> 00:12:18.154 with a lot more kind of maturity and generosity. 157 00:12:19.822 --> 00:12:23.159 - The main skate park in San Diego was called Oasis. 158 00:12:23.242 --> 00:12:25.995 It was just under a freeway overpass. 159 00:12:26.078 --> 00:12:27.413 And we would see it, and it was like, 160 00:12:27.496 --> 00:12:29.290 "Oh, there's Oasis." 161 00:12:29.373 --> 00:12:32.251 Older kids going way faster 162 00:12:32.334 --> 00:12:34.378 than I had ever seen anyone on a skateboard. 163 00:12:37.256 --> 00:12:40.843 And it just looked scary as hell. 164 00:12:40.926 --> 00:12:43.554 There were these five craters, 165 00:12:43.637 --> 00:12:45.723 and I was going down the crater and up 166 00:12:45.806 --> 00:12:46.891 and then down the crater and up, 167 00:12:46.974 --> 00:12:48.684 and I thought that was super cool. 168 00:12:48.767 --> 00:12:51.187 And this big kid came flying up, 169 00:12:51.270 --> 00:12:53.689 and he jumped over the middle crater, 170 00:12:53.772 --> 00:12:57.359 and I was like, "How did that just happen?" 171 00:12:57.443 --> 00:12:59.195 I just couldn't believe what I saw, 172 00:12:59.278 --> 00:13:01.280 and I said, "Oh, this is it. 173 00:13:01.363 --> 00:13:03.324 I'm doing this. This is my life." 174 00:13:05.242 --> 00:13:07.995 I quit playing baseball and basketball. 175 00:13:19.173 --> 00:13:20.883 - I remember once when I was home from college, 176 00:13:20.966 --> 00:13:22.384 my mom asked me to go pick him up 177 00:13:22.468 --> 00:13:23.552 at the Oasis skate park 178 00:13:23.636 --> 00:13:26.889 because dinner was almost ready. 179 00:13:26.972 --> 00:13:29.433 So I was just gonna run down there and grab him, 180 00:13:29.517 --> 00:13:30.893 but he was in the process 181 00:13:30.976 --> 00:13:32.728 of learning frontside rock and rolls. 182 00:13:32.811 --> 00:13:34.980 And he was getting close, and so of course, 183 00:13:35.064 --> 00:13:37.566 you know, the closer you get, the more you slam, and-- 184 00:13:37.650 --> 00:13:38.692 but he was young enough 185 00:13:38.776 --> 00:13:41.028 where he was actually crying, I think, over this. 186 00:13:41.111 --> 00:13:43.697 And I'm like, "Tony, come on, we got to go." 187 00:13:43.781 --> 00:13:45.074 And he's like, "I'm gonna make"-- 188 00:13:45.157 --> 00:13:47.785 Just, I wasn't even there, you know? 189 00:13:47.868 --> 00:13:53.415 And then finally, he made one clean and rolled away. 190 00:13:53.499 --> 00:13:57.545 And it was like everything kind of lifted. 191 00:13:57.628 --> 00:14:00.297 And he didn't, like, run over and give me a high five. 192 00:14:00.381 --> 00:14:02.049 It was like-- "Okay." 193 00:14:03.884 --> 00:14:06.637 And I've seen that in him a bunch 194 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:07.930 when he's learning something. 195 00:14:08.013 --> 00:14:10.432 He'll get really pissed off, 196 00:14:10.516 --> 00:14:13.602 and then as soon as he makes it, 197 00:14:13.686 --> 00:14:18.816 he's back to being his nice, normal Tony Hawk self. 198 00:14:29.952 --> 00:14:33.581 - I knew of Stacy's name because of the Dogtown crew. 199 00:14:33.664 --> 00:14:36.709 And so I knew more of his reputation 200 00:14:36.792 --> 00:14:38.460 than his skating. 201 00:14:38.544 --> 00:14:40.045 - Stacy had been there. 202 00:14:40.129 --> 00:14:41.380 You know, he'd blazed the trail. 203 00:14:41.463 --> 00:14:42.798 He had been a pro. 204 00:14:42.881 --> 00:14:45.634 He knew what that was all about. 205 00:14:45.718 --> 00:14:47.803 - He was just this iconic figure. 206 00:14:47.886 --> 00:14:49.972 He formed the Bones Brigade. 207 00:14:55.769 --> 00:14:57.021 - He just seemed like this sort of-- 208 00:14:57.104 --> 00:14:58.772 I wouldn't say father figure, 209 00:14:58.856 --> 00:15:01.150 but definitely a figurehead of skateboarding. 210 00:15:03.694 --> 00:15:06.155 - I was a fixture at every one of these contests. 211 00:15:06.238 --> 00:15:07.615 I was at every pro contest. 212 00:15:07.698 --> 00:15:09.783 I was at every amateur contest. 213 00:15:12.911 --> 00:15:15.247 Tony did not display 214 00:15:15.331 --> 00:15:18.042 any physical talent. 215 00:15:18.125 --> 00:15:20.669 You could watch Tony as a 13-year-old kid 216 00:15:20.753 --> 00:15:23.213 and go, "Dime a dozen," 217 00:15:23.297 --> 00:15:26.925 because he was so weak and so skinny 218 00:15:27.009 --> 00:15:31.555 that he skated as if he was being operated by a puppeteer. 219 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.974 He was just this kind of, like, guy like this. 220 00:15:35.184 --> 00:15:38.646 But the one thing that he did have is, 221 00:15:38.729 --> 00:15:42.149 you could see in this little weakling of a kid 222 00:15:42.232 --> 00:15:45.819 this intense determination. 223 00:15:45.903 --> 00:15:48.364 You could see in there, there was a mind going, 224 00:15:48.447 --> 00:15:50.366 "Do this! Do this!" 225 00:15:54.953 --> 00:15:56.163 - One time, I was at the skate park, 226 00:15:56.246 --> 00:15:57.873 and the Bones Brigade showed up. 227 00:15:57.956 --> 00:15:59.416 And you just knew it immediately. 228 00:15:59.500 --> 00:16:01.251 Like, there was a hush in the skate park. 229 00:16:08.425 --> 00:16:10.219 Everyone on the team were considered 230 00:16:10.302 --> 00:16:11.553 some of the best skaters. 231 00:16:11.637 --> 00:16:13.389 And Stacy was walking in with these guys, 232 00:16:13.472 --> 00:16:16.058 and they all had these, like, cool-colored helmets 233 00:16:16.141 --> 00:16:18.560 and their Bones Brigade shirts. 234 00:16:18.644 --> 00:16:21.772 And I was just like, "This is the future." 235 00:16:21.855 --> 00:16:23.732 - I remember Stacy was at the park, and I'm like, 236 00:16:23.816 --> 00:16:26.527 "Hey, is there any way I can get on your guys' thing?" 237 00:16:26.610 --> 00:16:29.071 Like, "Hey, man, 238 00:16:29.154 --> 00:16:32.199 "I think you should just stick with G&S. 239 00:16:32.282 --> 00:16:34.034 You'd be better on them, man." 240 00:16:34.118 --> 00:16:38.205 He probably had the vision of the Brigade right then. 241 00:16:38.288 --> 00:16:41.625 And maybe he was like, "It's not gonna work, dog." 242 00:16:41.709 --> 00:16:44.712 - Stacy was gonna get his own little phenoms 243 00:16:44.795 --> 00:16:46.547 and younger guys and build it up. 244 00:16:46.630 --> 00:16:48.549 So I was like, "Wow, I can get on the team." 245 00:16:53.595 --> 00:16:54.805 - You know, Stacy Peralta 246 00:16:54.888 --> 00:16:58.934 was a cool kind of, like, mentor 247 00:16:59.017 --> 00:17:02.271 for me at 12 years old riding for Bones Brigade. 248 00:17:02.354 --> 00:17:03.564 There came a point where I was like, 249 00:17:03.647 --> 00:17:04.982 "I want to turn pro." 250 00:17:05.065 --> 00:17:07.609 Stacy was like, "No, you're not ready." 251 00:17:07.693 --> 00:17:09.570 - I lost Christian Hosoi. 252 00:17:09.653 --> 00:17:12.030 His dad didn't think I was moving his career along 253 00:17:12.114 --> 00:17:14.575 fast enough, so I had a vacancy. 254 00:17:14.658 --> 00:17:16.994 And I had been watching Tony. 255 00:17:17.077 --> 00:17:20.497 - He kind of summoned me to Marina del Rey. 256 00:17:20.581 --> 00:17:22.875 My brother offered to drive me up there. 257 00:17:22.958 --> 00:17:25.627 We got up there, he handed me this experimental 258 00:17:25.711 --> 00:17:28.297 Steve Caballero model skateboard, 259 00:17:28.380 --> 00:17:31.341 and I just started skating, and I jumped the channel. 260 00:17:31.425 --> 00:17:34.178 And that was no small feat to jump the Marina channel. 261 00:17:34.261 --> 00:17:35.471 That thing was big. 262 00:17:35.554 --> 00:17:36.972 And basically, he said, 263 00:17:37.055 --> 00:17:38.474 "If you want to be on the Bones Brigade, 264 00:17:38.557 --> 00:17:40.267 we'd love to have you." 265 00:17:40.350 --> 00:17:42.519 - He realized this kid's got grit. 266 00:17:42.603 --> 00:17:43.812 He doesn't give up. 267 00:17:43.896 --> 00:17:46.899 He's also really skilled. 268 00:17:46.982 --> 00:17:48.901 He's also gonna get bigger and get stronger. 269 00:18:05.375 --> 00:18:08.003 - When I was officially on the team of Powell, 270 00:18:08.086 --> 00:18:10.881 that was way scarier than anything else, 271 00:18:10.964 --> 00:18:13.634 where it was suddenly like I was on this next level 272 00:18:13.717 --> 00:18:18.138 of team, of ability, of belief, 273 00:18:18.222 --> 00:18:22.267 and I had so much more to prove. 274 00:18:22.351 --> 00:18:24.520 - The first time I saw Tony, I was like, 275 00:18:24.603 --> 00:18:26.313 "Look at this little kid." 276 00:18:26.396 --> 00:18:30.526 He was probably, I don't know, 60 pounds wet, maybe. 277 00:18:30.609 --> 00:18:31.819 - We were in a hot tub. 278 00:18:31.902 --> 00:18:35.531 We were hazing him like he's the new guy on the team. 279 00:18:35.614 --> 00:18:37.115 I said, "Hey, dude, if you want to--you know, 280 00:18:37.199 --> 00:18:38.367 "if you want to be part of the crew, 281 00:18:38.450 --> 00:18:40.244 you're gonna have to give me your gum." 282 00:18:40.327 --> 00:18:42.704 And I stuck it in between my toes. 283 00:18:42.788 --> 00:18:44.122 And then I gave it back to him. 284 00:18:44.206 --> 00:18:45.666 I go, "You're gonna have to chew this gum 285 00:18:45.749 --> 00:18:47.000 if you want to be part of the crew." 286 00:18:47.084 --> 00:18:48.836 And he did. 287 00:18:48.919 --> 00:18:50.003 - Now with Tony Hawk. 288 00:18:50.087 --> 00:18:51.380 Tony just finished that first round. 289 00:18:51.463 --> 00:18:53.382 Do you think you're gonna make the next cut to eight? 290 00:18:53.465 --> 00:18:55.342 - Uh, I think I have a pretty good chance, 291 00:18:55.425 --> 00:18:57.177 because I stayed on my board, 292 00:18:57.261 --> 00:18:59.263 and that's pretty tough to do in a competition. 293 00:18:59.346 --> 00:19:02.140 - Who do you think your competition's gonna be today? 294 00:19:02.224 --> 00:19:04.768 - Uh, probably-- I'm gonna have a tough time 295 00:19:04.852 --> 00:19:06.770 beating pretty much anyone who entered. 296 00:19:06.854 --> 00:19:10.858 Mainly Lance Mountain, Mike McGill, Stevie Caballero. 297 00:19:17.281 --> 00:19:20.367 - He was a nightmare. Total nightmare. 298 00:19:20.450 --> 00:19:22.202 Complete, total nightmare. 299 00:19:22.286 --> 00:19:24.913 I remember when I first picked him up on the team, 300 00:19:24.997 --> 00:19:26.832 we were at the Upland skateboard park, 301 00:19:26.915 --> 00:19:28.375 and I said, "Well, I'm gonna take you home." 302 00:19:28.458 --> 00:19:30.878 And he goes, "No, I want to go to Chuck E. Cheese." 303 00:19:30.961 --> 00:19:31.962 And I go, "What's that?" 304 00:19:32.045 --> 00:19:33.922 He goes, "I want to go to Chuck E. Cheese." 305 00:19:34.006 --> 00:19:35.090 And I go, "Yeah, what is it?" 306 00:19:35.173 --> 00:19:36.842 He goes, "It's a pizza place where you can play games." 307 00:19:36.925 --> 00:19:38.552 I go, "I'm not going there." 308 00:19:43.891 --> 00:19:45.100 It was a Chuck E. Cheese. 309 00:19:45.183 --> 00:19:46.727 I know what he's talking about. 310 00:19:52.816 --> 00:19:55.569 There was a-- I'm a creature of habit, 311 00:19:55.652 --> 00:19:57.571 and so when we would go skate Upland, 312 00:19:57.654 --> 00:19:58.864 there were only a few restaurants 313 00:19:58.947 --> 00:20:02.951 that I would allow myself to go to. 314 00:20:03.035 --> 00:20:04.995 And Lamppost Pizza was one of them. 315 00:20:05.078 --> 00:20:07.414 Like, a mild version of Chuck E. Cheese. 316 00:20:07.497 --> 00:20:10.459 It was lots of games and counter service. 317 00:20:10.542 --> 00:20:13.962 And they weren't known for their cuisine. 318 00:20:14.046 --> 00:20:15.714 - He got me to take him there. 319 00:20:15.797 --> 00:20:17.507 It was the worst nightmare of my life, 320 00:20:17.591 --> 00:20:19.134 but I'm sitting there going, 321 00:20:19.217 --> 00:20:21.720 "This 13-year-old brat just got me to do something 322 00:20:21.803 --> 00:20:23.347 "I was firmly against doing. 323 00:20:23.430 --> 00:20:25.140 He's got some power." 324 00:20:25.223 --> 00:20:27.643 Just the décor and the sounds 325 00:20:27.726 --> 00:20:30.604 and all the awful food. 326 00:20:30.687 --> 00:20:33.523 And I remember just thinking, "I'm never doing this again. 327 00:20:33.607 --> 00:20:36.360 I'm never coming back to this place again." 328 00:20:36.443 --> 00:20:37.778 - Stacy had the worst job. 329 00:20:37.861 --> 00:20:39.696 I mean, he was-- 330 00:20:39.780 --> 00:20:41.406 he curated this awesome team, 331 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:43.075 but we were all kids in our own right, 332 00:20:43.158 --> 00:20:45.619 and we're all with our own issues 333 00:20:45.702 --> 00:20:49.331 and looking for validation, looking for support. 334 00:20:49.414 --> 00:20:53.377 And suddenly, he had to be this surrogate dad. 335 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:55.337 - I think the first time I saw Tony skate 336 00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:58.131 was at Kona Skatepark. 337 00:20:58.215 --> 00:21:00.717 I had just gotten on the team, 338 00:21:00.801 --> 00:21:03.428 and they all came from out west. 339 00:21:03.512 --> 00:21:05.222 And I remember meeting him, 340 00:21:05.305 --> 00:21:06.848 and I was so-- 341 00:21:06.932 --> 00:21:09.351 I tripped out because of how skinny he was. 342 00:21:09.434 --> 00:21:11.478 It was as though he had a hard time 343 00:21:11.561 --> 00:21:13.146 getting up the wall. 344 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:16.900 But the control he had was insane. 345 00:21:17.734 --> 00:21:21.446 Immediately, you got a sense that he's entirely different. 346 00:21:22.948 --> 00:21:25.826 - Rodney Mullen, like, he and I were on 347 00:21:25.909 --> 00:21:29.162 complete parallel trajectories with our skating. 348 00:21:29.246 --> 00:21:32.791 Rodney was the absolute best freestyler in the world, 349 00:21:32.874 --> 00:21:37.379 a precision level like no other athlete 350 00:21:37.462 --> 00:21:41.049 or performer you've ever seen. 351 00:21:41.133 --> 00:21:44.386 - Because we skated completely different, 352 00:21:44.469 --> 00:21:47.806 that made it easier for me to relate to him, in a sense. 353 00:21:47.889 --> 00:21:50.225 I never had to compete against Tony. 354 00:21:54.646 --> 00:21:57.190 Stacy would ship me down, and I would stay with Tony, 355 00:21:57.274 --> 00:21:59.693 practice for the week at Del Mar. 356 00:21:59.776 --> 00:22:04.197 That's when a real sense of connection, for me, 357 00:22:04.281 --> 00:22:06.575 I had with Tony more than any other skater. 358 00:22:09.953 --> 00:22:11.538 - No one understood us. 359 00:22:13.123 --> 00:22:14.750 But we understood each other. 360 00:22:24.885 --> 00:22:28.305 - I think watching Tony learn and fall 361 00:22:28.388 --> 00:22:31.224 is more interesting than watching him land tricks, 362 00:22:31.308 --> 00:22:34.144 because you can see how fast he rifles 363 00:22:34.227 --> 00:22:36.730 to something called the calculus of variations, 364 00:22:36.813 --> 00:22:38.732 of how he corrects himself 365 00:22:38.815 --> 00:22:41.568 and gets to the right spot fast. 366 00:22:41.651 --> 00:22:45.614 That, to this day, is unparalleled. 367 00:22:45.697 --> 00:22:49.743 - Tony was able to figure out how to overcome 368 00:22:49.826 --> 00:22:51.745 all of the things he didn't have 369 00:22:51.828 --> 00:22:53.747 in order to get what he wanted. 370 00:22:53.830 --> 00:22:55.248 For instance, 371 00:22:55.332 --> 00:22:57.417 when skateboarders originally did aerials, 372 00:22:57.501 --> 00:22:59.086 they'd go up the side of the pool, 373 00:22:59.169 --> 00:23:00.712 and they'd pull the board off 374 00:23:00.796 --> 00:23:02.798 and kind of do a leap into the air. 375 00:23:02.881 --> 00:23:04.132 Tony couldn't do that. 376 00:23:04.216 --> 00:23:06.843 He didn't have the strength to leap. 377 00:23:06.927 --> 00:23:10.055 Most guys touch the board, grab it, leap into the air. 378 00:23:10.138 --> 00:23:13.767 Tony figures out, "I'll ollie into my aerials." 379 00:23:13.850 --> 00:23:16.812 He doesn't touch the board until he's in the air. 380 00:23:16.895 --> 00:23:18.313 You never break your speed. 381 00:23:18.396 --> 00:23:20.107 It's one bang. 382 00:23:20.190 --> 00:23:22.484 Well, we discover it's much more efficient 383 00:23:22.567 --> 00:23:23.944 to do it that way. 384 00:23:25.028 --> 00:23:26.613 - When I figured that out, 385 00:23:26.696 --> 00:23:29.282 that changed everything for me. 386 00:23:29.366 --> 00:23:31.409 I started doing varials and finger flips 387 00:23:31.493 --> 00:23:32.828 way up in the air. 388 00:23:32.911 --> 00:23:34.663 - But of course, when he first did it, 389 00:23:34.746 --> 00:23:35.914 people thought he was cheating. 390 00:23:35.997 --> 00:23:37.207 "That's cheating." 391 00:23:37.290 --> 00:23:39.167 It's a technique. How can you be cheating? 392 00:23:39.251 --> 00:23:41.461 "It's cheating." They thought it was cheating. 393 00:23:41.545 --> 00:23:44.673 You know, and at that time, skateboarding was dominated 394 00:23:44.756 --> 00:23:47.384 by balls-out pool riders, 395 00:23:47.467 --> 00:23:49.344 Duane Peters, people like that 396 00:23:49.427 --> 00:23:52.514 that really had power and flair. 397 00:23:52.597 --> 00:23:53.890 And here comes Tony Hawk 398 00:23:53.974 --> 00:23:56.101 with all these weird little flip tricks. 399 00:23:56.184 --> 00:23:59.479 Those guys are looking at him and going, "What is this?" 400 00:23:59.563 --> 00:24:01.481 - A lot of that shit, dude, I mean, 401 00:24:01.565 --> 00:24:04.025 I still can't understand it when I look at it. 402 00:24:04.109 --> 00:24:08.321 It's like fuckin' flippy doo-da-day bullshit. 403 00:24:08.405 --> 00:24:11.283 Go fucking play with your sister's baton, bro. 404 00:24:13.994 --> 00:24:15.162 - Want me to do it again? 405 00:24:15.245 --> 00:24:16.705 - Yeah, go ahead. 406 00:24:16.788 --> 00:24:17.998 Okay. 407 00:24:18.081 --> 00:24:19.416 What do you think of skateboarding? 408 00:24:19.499 --> 00:24:21.293 - What do I think of it? 409 00:24:21.376 --> 00:24:22.711 Well, I've supported it pretty strong 410 00:24:22.794 --> 00:24:24.504 for a lot of years. 411 00:24:30.969 --> 00:24:33.889 - Confusion. - Confusion? 412 00:24:33.972 --> 00:24:35.223 - My dad wanted to make sure 413 00:24:35.307 --> 00:24:36.766 that there was organization in place, 414 00:24:36.850 --> 00:24:39.895 that if Tony was gonna be this committed to it, 415 00:24:39.978 --> 00:24:43.023 you know, he could actually get some recognition for it. 416 00:24:43.106 --> 00:24:45.775 - My dad helped to form the NSA, 417 00:24:45.859 --> 00:24:48.820 which became the sanctioning body 418 00:24:48.904 --> 00:24:50.572 for all the main events. 419 00:24:50.655 --> 00:24:53.033 - The NSA was the National Skateboard Association. 420 00:24:53.116 --> 00:24:55.410 And people used to say, "No skating allowed." 421 00:24:55.493 --> 00:24:58.538 And especially Mr. Hawk being the guy who was, you know, 422 00:24:58.622 --> 00:25:00.207 yelling at people to get off the ramp. 423 00:25:00.290 --> 00:25:02.417 - Do not come down to the ramp. 424 00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:04.211 Please, get off the ramp. 425 00:25:07.005 --> 00:25:08.465 - He loved yelling at kids. 426 00:25:08.548 --> 00:25:09.925 You know, "Get behind the barrier!" 427 00:25:10.008 --> 00:25:11.760 He loved doing that. 428 00:25:11.843 --> 00:25:14.971 - He just--he always had this grimace about him. 429 00:25:15.055 --> 00:25:15.972 Super serious. 430 00:25:16.056 --> 00:25:20.018 Never saw him smile or laugh about anything. 431 00:25:20.101 --> 00:25:23.104 Just always walking around kind of like a-- 432 00:25:23.188 --> 00:25:24.731 I don't think he drank, but he seemed like 433 00:25:24.814 --> 00:25:27.108 just a pissed-off alcoholic, basically. 434 00:25:27.192 --> 00:25:28.902 - He was a bull in a china shop. 435 00:25:28.985 --> 00:25:32.405 He had no finesse whatsoever. 436 00:25:32.489 --> 00:25:35.408 But he actually had a really, really good heart. 437 00:25:35.492 --> 00:25:37.827 I mean, he came at a time in skateboarding 438 00:25:37.911 --> 00:25:39.913 where skateboarding really needed a guy 439 00:25:39.996 --> 00:25:43.083 like Frank Hawk to say, "Look at this circus carnival. 440 00:25:43.166 --> 00:25:44.918 We got to focus this a little bit." 441 00:25:45.001 --> 00:25:46.461 - And this is giving in those spots, 442 00:25:46.544 --> 00:25:48.171 and they're riding it and going "uh, uh, uh." 443 00:25:48.255 --> 00:25:49.506 - And he did a remarkable job, 444 00:25:49.589 --> 00:25:50.799 and he didn't get anything for it 445 00:25:50.882 --> 00:25:52.634 except crap from people. 446 00:25:52.717 --> 00:25:55.887 - He carried around, like, a little ledger a lot 447 00:25:55.971 --> 00:25:57.597 and was always looking harsh at people. 448 00:25:59.015 --> 00:26:02.310 - I remember going, "Fuck you," to his old man. 449 00:26:02.394 --> 00:26:03.853 Like, "Get the fuck out of here, 450 00:26:03.937 --> 00:26:06.064 "and take these fucking grubby kids with-- 451 00:26:06.147 --> 00:26:07.732 get a fucking job." 452 00:26:07.816 --> 00:26:10.193 I'd go across the fence. 453 00:26:10.277 --> 00:26:12.779 "Get a fucking job." You know. 454 00:26:12.862 --> 00:26:14.698 "Now he wants to bring his Army shit 455 00:26:14.781 --> 00:26:16.574 to the National Skateboarding Associ"-- 456 00:26:16.658 --> 00:26:18.451 you know, blah, blah. 457 00:26:18.535 --> 00:26:21.997 - He just came off as gruff and militant, 458 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:24.082 and they were like, "Fuck that dude. 459 00:26:24.165 --> 00:26:25.125 That's your dad?" 460 00:26:25.208 --> 00:26:28.169 Like, and that would be reflected on me. 461 00:26:33.425 --> 00:26:36.511 - Right....now. 462 00:26:38.638 --> 00:26:41.683 - One of the first times I ever got to skate with pros, 463 00:26:41.766 --> 00:26:45.937 I remember seeing Steve Olson and Duane Peters, 464 00:26:46.021 --> 00:26:47.981 and, of course, I knew both of them. 465 00:26:48.064 --> 00:26:49.316 They're heroes. 466 00:26:49.399 --> 00:26:50.984 So I went over to kind of skate 467 00:26:51.067 --> 00:26:53.194 near the area they were skating 468 00:26:53.278 --> 00:26:56.406 and kept sort of inching my way closer to them. 469 00:26:56.489 --> 00:26:59.492 - They were in a bowl, and we were riding up. 470 00:26:59.576 --> 00:27:04.456 We'd either chase them out or go to the next one. 471 00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:07.375 - I wanted to be near them. 472 00:27:07.459 --> 00:27:10.045 I wanted to be skating with them. 473 00:27:10.128 --> 00:27:11.546 - "Fuck this." 474 00:27:11.629 --> 00:27:14.215 I mean, these geeky kids. 475 00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:15.508 "Hey, we want to follow you." 476 00:27:15.592 --> 00:27:17.552 - And they were laughing about something, 477 00:27:17.635 --> 00:27:18.887 some inside joke. 478 00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:21.222 And I kind of snickered. "Yeah, yeah," you know? 479 00:27:21.306 --> 00:27:23.058 Like, "Yeah, yeah," like I'm in on the joke. 480 00:27:23.141 --> 00:27:27.020 Duane turned towards me, spit on my grip tape, 481 00:27:27.103 --> 00:27:29.397 and was like, "This is punk rock, kid." 482 00:27:29.481 --> 00:27:32.859 - I don't remember spitting on Hawk, but he does. 483 00:27:32.942 --> 00:27:34.527 I did this shit a lot, 484 00:27:34.611 --> 00:27:38.156 especially to guys that are coming in to-- 485 00:27:38.239 --> 00:27:39.657 wanting to be pro. 486 00:27:39.741 --> 00:27:41.576 They're coming in to take our spots. 487 00:27:41.659 --> 00:27:42.702 Fuck you. 488 00:27:52.003 --> 00:27:55.423 - It just reminded me that I don't belong 489 00:27:55.507 --> 00:27:57.175 and this is a mistake 490 00:27:57.258 --> 00:28:01.596 and I can't even fit into the skateboard world. 491 00:28:01.679 --> 00:28:02.931 That was heavy for me. 492 00:28:06.893 --> 00:28:08.603 - He took a lot of shit. 493 00:28:08.686 --> 00:28:12.232 He got a lot--people fired a lot of arrows at him. 494 00:28:12.315 --> 00:28:15.068 He never really let on how much that hurt, I think, 495 00:28:15.151 --> 00:28:17.028 at the time in the skate world. 496 00:28:17.112 --> 00:28:20.156 And he never showed... 497 00:28:22.325 --> 00:28:24.160 Kind of that resentful side 498 00:28:24.244 --> 00:28:26.204 that I'm sure he must've been feeling. 499 00:28:26.287 --> 00:28:27.914 He just put his head down and said, "Fuck it. 500 00:28:27.997 --> 00:28:29.749 "I'm gonna skate as hard as I can, 501 00:28:29.833 --> 00:28:32.168 "I'm gonna get as good as I can, 502 00:28:32.252 --> 00:28:35.296 "and I'm gonna show these assholes that, you know, 503 00:28:35.380 --> 00:28:36.798 I'm the best skater out there." 504 00:28:42.137 --> 00:28:44.305 - Leading up to this Whittier contest, 505 00:28:44.389 --> 00:28:47.559 November of 1982, 506 00:28:47.642 --> 00:28:51.521 I had just done really well at the pro versus am event. 507 00:28:51.604 --> 00:28:53.481 All my peers were pro. 508 00:28:53.565 --> 00:28:55.608 And it was like, "You're next." 509 00:28:55.692 --> 00:28:57.777 At the competition, 510 00:28:57.861 --> 00:28:59.737 we're filling out the entry forms. 511 00:28:59.821 --> 00:29:01.656 It says "pro or amateur" box. 512 00:29:01.739 --> 00:29:03.992 Like, that determines which category you're in. 513 00:29:04.075 --> 00:29:07.996 And I remember feeling Stacy looking over my shoulder. 514 00:29:09.330 --> 00:29:11.291 I just checked pro. 515 00:29:11.374 --> 00:29:13.918 Then I looked up at him, and I go, "Is that okay?" 516 00:29:14.002 --> 00:29:15.837 And he's like, "If that's what you want to do." 517 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:17.505 And then I was pro. 518 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:19.007 - That was it. - That was it. 519 00:29:20.467 --> 00:29:23.178 There's no-- there's no champagne. 520 00:29:25.847 --> 00:29:30.268 I suddenly felt, "This is super scary." 521 00:29:30.351 --> 00:29:32.937 Duane Peters is skating. 522 00:29:33.021 --> 00:29:36.441 My first thought was, "Don't put me against Duane." 523 00:29:36.524 --> 00:29:39.360 - I went against him on his first contest. 524 00:29:39.444 --> 00:29:41.488 - First head-to-head event as a pro, 525 00:29:41.571 --> 00:29:43.114 I'm going against Duane Peters. 526 00:29:43.198 --> 00:29:46.326 - This is gonna be easy. I'm taking this fucker. 527 00:29:46.409 --> 00:29:47.994 - Duane Peters. These guys go head-on-head. 528 00:29:48.077 --> 00:29:49.162 It's who does better. 529 00:30:00.423 --> 00:30:01.341 - Go! 530 00:30:25.365 --> 00:30:28.868 - I can't see how difficult these tricks are. 531 00:30:28.952 --> 00:30:31.871 They just look fucking lame to me. 532 00:30:31.955 --> 00:30:34.874 - I knew for sure he did not want me to beat him. 533 00:30:34.958 --> 00:30:37.126 My thought was, "Stay on target. 534 00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:39.087 Make your run." 535 00:30:52.183 --> 00:30:54.602 - Tony's dad's all excited. 536 00:30:54.686 --> 00:30:56.604 They're all by the judging thing. 537 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.612 - Tony Hawk beats out Duane Peters at 86.66. 538 00:31:05.822 --> 00:31:06.739 - I heard the scores, 539 00:31:06.823 --> 00:31:08.700 and it took a second for it to register. 540 00:31:08.783 --> 00:31:10.910 And I was thinking, "I beat Duane? 541 00:31:10.994 --> 00:31:12.245 "I beat Duane. 542 00:31:12.328 --> 00:31:14.581 I beat Duane!" 543 00:31:14.664 --> 00:31:18.293 - I was an old guy on his way out. 544 00:31:18.376 --> 00:31:20.169 New crew coming in. 545 00:31:22.338 --> 00:31:26.801 That hurt, and--'cause I was-- 546 00:31:26.884 --> 00:31:28.469 all of a sudden, it mattered to me. 547 00:31:28.553 --> 00:31:30.471 - Was that your last contest? - Yeah. 548 00:31:30.555 --> 00:31:32.265 Pretty much everybody's, yeah. 549 00:31:36.311 --> 00:31:37.478 - Hi, I'm Bob Burbanks, 550 00:31:37.562 --> 00:31:39.439 and welcome to "Weekend Today." 551 00:31:39.522 --> 00:31:41.691 We're gonna take an exciting look at skateboarding. 552 00:31:41.774 --> 00:31:44.777 This is a skateboard. - That's not a skateboard. 553 00:31:44.861 --> 00:31:46.112 - Some neighborhood daredevils... 554 00:31:46.195 --> 00:31:47.614 - We're gonna do a little adjusting here. 555 00:31:47.697 --> 00:31:49.449 - Right here on "Weekend Today." 556 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.124 - Now, this is a skateboard. 557 00:32:11.137 --> 00:32:14.349 - Stacy took a chance putting out money 558 00:32:14.432 --> 00:32:16.768 to make a video of skateboarding. 559 00:32:17.935 --> 00:32:20.021 - We originally made the Bones Brigade videos 560 00:32:20.104 --> 00:32:22.940 thinking that skateboard shops would play them. 561 00:32:23.024 --> 00:32:24.317 And then, we didn't realize, 562 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.069 but the release of the first one 563 00:32:26.152 --> 00:32:29.947 coincided with 70% of Americans buying VCRs. 564 00:32:31.658 --> 00:32:32.867 - I think a lot of people, 565 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:34.535 that's where they first saw me. 566 00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:40.083 - And it also coincided 567 00:32:40.166 --> 00:32:43.211 when Tony started to get strong. 568 00:32:43.294 --> 00:32:45.588 - That was when Tony first kind of came in 569 00:32:45.672 --> 00:32:47.090 as this wunderkind. 570 00:32:47.173 --> 00:32:49.717 So when the first Bones Brigade video came out, 571 00:32:49.801 --> 00:32:52.970 which was the first action sports video ever made, 572 00:32:53.054 --> 00:32:54.931 Tony was on the cover. 573 00:32:55.014 --> 00:32:56.891 - It was so fun to see it. 574 00:32:56.974 --> 00:32:58.559 It was so fun to see everyone 575 00:32:58.643 --> 00:33:01.229 separately but together in the same video. 576 00:33:01.312 --> 00:33:03.481 And Lance was the thread that brought it all in. 577 00:33:03.564 --> 00:33:06.859 And when I saw my part, I thought it was super cool. 578 00:33:06.943 --> 00:33:09.028 I just couldn't believe that he had managed 579 00:33:09.112 --> 00:33:11.239 to make it all work together. 580 00:33:11.322 --> 00:33:13.616 And he's putting things in slo-mo. 581 00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:15.493 I mean, it just felt like-- 582 00:33:15.576 --> 00:33:17.161 like it was my birthday party. 583 00:33:26.963 --> 00:33:30.925 - Caballero and Tony were always in the top five, 584 00:33:31.008 --> 00:33:32.927 and I was kind of fading a bit, you know? 585 00:33:33.010 --> 00:33:35.388 And I was just finding it harder and harder 586 00:33:35.471 --> 00:33:37.098 to get up into that top ten. 587 00:33:37.181 --> 00:33:39.225 And I'm like, "Oh, I guess this is it for me. 588 00:33:39.308 --> 00:33:41.519 I need something, you know, that's"-- 589 00:33:41.602 --> 00:33:43.604 so I started going to some of these camps, 590 00:33:43.688 --> 00:33:45.565 you know, helping to teach. 591 00:33:45.648 --> 00:33:49.527 And at one Swedish camp, I, you know, made this trick 592 00:33:49.610 --> 00:33:53.239 called the McTwist, which is a 540. 593 00:33:53.322 --> 00:33:56.117 People would ask me, "What is that, Mike?" 594 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.620 - Mike McGill came to a Del Mar contest, 595 00:33:59.704 --> 00:34:02.749 and there was all this buzz that he had a new trick. 596 00:34:02.832 --> 00:34:06.461 And people were purposely not telling me what it was, 597 00:34:06.544 --> 00:34:09.380 because they thought somehow I was gonna learn it. 598 00:34:09.464 --> 00:34:13.342 Mike shows up, and first day of practice, 599 00:34:13.426 --> 00:34:14.510 he does a McTwist. 600 00:34:16.721 --> 00:34:19.474 Full 1 1/2 somersault in the air, 601 00:34:19.557 --> 00:34:22.268 coming down forward, going backside direction, 602 00:34:22.351 --> 00:34:25.605 which means you're totally blind to your landing zone. 603 00:34:25.688 --> 00:34:28.399 And it was just like, "What happened? 604 00:34:28.483 --> 00:34:31.778 Were you training with gymnasts?" 605 00:34:31.861 --> 00:34:33.279 I knew then and there 606 00:34:33.362 --> 00:34:35.281 that I was gonna have to learn it. 607 00:34:35.364 --> 00:34:38.409 - There's a few tricks that have been chased for years. 608 00:34:38.493 --> 00:34:40.661 And it was one that everyone knew could be possible, 609 00:34:40.745 --> 00:34:42.288 but no one knew how to do it 610 00:34:42.371 --> 00:34:45.082 or try it or even have the guts to try it right. 611 00:34:45.166 --> 00:34:47.210 And it took McGill to do it, which was, 612 00:34:47.293 --> 00:34:48.753 you got to do it 6 foot out. 613 00:34:48.836 --> 00:34:50.004 You can't do it low. 614 00:34:50.087 --> 00:34:52.381 Everyone was trying it low to figure it out. 615 00:34:52.465 --> 00:34:55.510 And you had to have the actual wherewithal to, like, 616 00:34:55.593 --> 00:34:58.221 "Oh, I've got to launch into the sky 617 00:34:58.304 --> 00:34:59.931 and see what happens." 618 00:35:00.014 --> 00:35:01.557 - That kind of spiraled me 619 00:35:01.641 --> 00:35:05.770 and put me in the top five every contest. 620 00:35:05.853 --> 00:35:07.230 - You developed the McTwist. 621 00:35:07.313 --> 00:35:08.815 Are you gonna be able to pull that off here in this-- 622 00:35:08.898 --> 00:35:10.608 - Uh, hopefully. 623 00:35:10.691 --> 00:35:12.610 - When I did try it, 624 00:35:12.693 --> 00:35:15.279 I realized how much harder it is 625 00:35:15.363 --> 00:35:16.781 than I thought it would be. 626 00:35:16.864 --> 00:35:18.991 I didn't come close. 627 00:35:19.075 --> 00:35:20.827 I couldn't see my landing zone. 628 00:35:20.910 --> 00:35:23.663 I don't even know if I had a good hold on my board. 629 00:35:23.746 --> 00:35:25.832 - I can imagine how hard you slam on that trick, 630 00:35:25.915 --> 00:35:27.208 'cause you're just spinning freely, 631 00:35:27.291 --> 00:35:29.585 and if you overturn, it's done, dude. 632 00:35:32.755 --> 00:35:36.217 - I was hyper-focused, obsessed with the trick. 633 00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.386 I had to figure it out. 634 00:35:38.469 --> 00:35:40.513 I remember being in school 635 00:35:40.596 --> 00:35:43.432 and just knowing the bell's gonna ring 636 00:35:43.516 --> 00:35:44.725 and I'm going straight to the park 637 00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:45.893 and trying McTwists. 638 00:35:45.977 --> 00:35:48.646 That was the only thing I was focused on. 639 00:35:48.729 --> 00:35:51.607 I started getting the spin more consistent. 640 00:35:51.691 --> 00:35:53.860 I started seeing the landing zone, 641 00:35:53.943 --> 00:35:55.528 and then it was pretty obvious, like, 642 00:35:55.611 --> 00:35:57.238 well, there's only one more stage, 643 00:35:57.321 --> 00:36:00.324 and that's just that you got to suck it up and land. 644 00:36:00.408 --> 00:36:01.909 - How hard was that trick to learn? 645 00:36:01.993 --> 00:36:02.952 - Simple. 646 00:36:03.035 --> 00:36:04.620 - Simple? - Mm-hmm. 647 00:36:04.704 --> 00:36:07.039 It's not technique. It's balls. 648 00:36:07.123 --> 00:36:08.332 And I have no problem spinning it, 649 00:36:08.416 --> 00:36:10.501 but do I want to set it down? 650 00:36:10.585 --> 00:36:13.379 That's all just guts. 651 00:36:31.856 --> 00:36:34.066 - The 540 was the trick 652 00:36:34.150 --> 00:36:35.568 that you needed to win competitions, 653 00:36:35.651 --> 00:36:37.194 and once you learned that trick, 654 00:36:37.278 --> 00:36:38.654 you were in top three. 655 00:36:38.738 --> 00:36:40.698 - Did you attempt them? 656 00:36:40.781 --> 00:36:42.408 - I thought about doing them. 657 00:36:42.491 --> 00:36:46.245 And then I did some low stuff like Tony used to do. 658 00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:47.455 And I just started trying to-- 659 00:36:47.538 --> 00:36:48.998 and it was just like, "No way." 660 00:36:49.081 --> 00:36:51.542 So I couldn't do it. I just backed out. 661 00:36:51.626 --> 00:36:53.628 I was like, "It's not gonna work. 662 00:36:53.711 --> 00:36:56.255 - Neil Blender, are you gonna make the finals tomorrow? 663 00:36:56.339 --> 00:36:57.298 - No. 664 00:36:57.381 --> 00:36:59.717 They just called them out. Didn't even make it. 665 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.011 Should've seen me, falling all over the bowl. 666 00:37:02.094 --> 00:37:03.971 - There was contests I couldn't skate at all, 667 00:37:04.055 --> 00:37:06.599 and I'd just do, "Oh, I'll do an axis ollie 540." 668 00:37:06.682 --> 00:37:08.559 Made the cut. Whew. 669 00:37:08.643 --> 00:37:11.145 Money, done. Paid. 670 00:37:11.228 --> 00:37:12.813 Buy diapers. Done deal. 671 00:37:12.897 --> 00:37:14.231 - And it just became 672 00:37:14.315 --> 00:37:16.108 this proving ground, where it was just like, 673 00:37:16.192 --> 00:37:18.361 "Are you doing a McTwist or not?" 674 00:37:18.444 --> 00:37:20.947 'Cause this is where we're all going towards. 675 00:37:40.424 --> 00:37:41.842 - Okay, next skater up, 676 00:37:41.926 --> 00:37:43.678 Christian Hosoi. 677 00:37:45.930 --> 00:37:47.848 - Christian was a showman. 678 00:37:47.932 --> 00:37:49.892 He could show up with his shirt off, 679 00:37:49.976 --> 00:37:51.686 dangling out of his back pocket, 680 00:37:51.769 --> 00:37:53.437 and the crowd was with him. 681 00:37:55.940 --> 00:37:57.942 It was all style and air with Christian, 682 00:37:58.025 --> 00:38:00.319 and it was all technical and tricks with me, 683 00:38:00.403 --> 00:38:02.655 and people had to choose. 684 00:38:02.738 --> 00:38:04.448 - There was a contest at Del Mar. 685 00:38:04.532 --> 00:38:09.370 The fans were like, you know, "Hosoi, Hosoi, Hosoi!" 686 00:38:09.453 --> 00:38:10.830 - Next up, Tony Hawk, 687 00:38:10.913 --> 00:38:12.498 riding for Powell-Peralta and Tracker Trucks. 688 00:38:12.581 --> 00:38:13.874 Tony, whenever you're ready. 689 00:38:15.501 --> 00:38:19.547 - Whenever I would go, they would just be booing. 690 00:38:19.630 --> 00:38:21.590 - You know, at his home park at Del Mar, 691 00:38:21.674 --> 00:38:25.219 I thought, you know, the crowd was pretty rough. 692 00:38:25.302 --> 00:38:28.264 crowd: Christian! Christian! Christian! 693 00:38:28.347 --> 00:38:30.766 Christian! Christian! Christian! 694 00:38:30.850 --> 00:38:34.353 Christian! Christian! Christian! Christian! 695 00:38:34.437 --> 00:38:36.188 - These guys are just getting mad at him, 696 00:38:36.272 --> 00:38:38.107 because they're seeing him do tricks. 697 00:38:38.190 --> 00:38:39.734 Like, they want to see some older shit, 698 00:38:39.817 --> 00:38:41.193 a long lip slide or something, like, 699 00:38:41.277 --> 00:38:42.903 and it's just not gonna happen. 700 00:38:42.987 --> 00:38:47.033 They were pissed, throwing beer cans and whatever else. 701 00:38:47.116 --> 00:38:49.535 - I fell on one of the runs near the end. 702 00:38:49.618 --> 00:38:52.329 And I fell near this beer can. 703 00:38:52.413 --> 00:38:54.331 Like, I almost slid into it. 704 00:38:54.415 --> 00:38:57.585 And I was just like, "Really?" 705 00:38:57.668 --> 00:39:00.129 And so I grabbed it, and I went to throw it 706 00:39:00.212 --> 00:39:01.797 back at them, and I was just like, "Am I-- 707 00:39:01.881 --> 00:39:04.425 "I can't-- I can't play this game. 708 00:39:04.508 --> 00:39:06.635 "I'm gonna lose no matter what. 709 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.846 "I'm never gonna be seen by these guys 710 00:39:08.929 --> 00:39:10.598 "as legitimate or cool. 711 00:39:10.681 --> 00:39:13.768 And I just gotta suck it up and do my own thing." 712 00:39:15.144 --> 00:39:17.438 - 96.666. 713 00:39:17.521 --> 00:39:20.691 - I don't think that people understand 714 00:39:20.775 --> 00:39:22.401 that when you're skateboarding, 715 00:39:22.485 --> 00:39:25.446 it becomes an expression of who you are, your identity. 716 00:39:25.529 --> 00:39:28.616 How you are embraced as a person 717 00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:31.577 is who you are. 718 00:39:31.660 --> 00:39:36.082 That stuff is all on the line during those contests. 719 00:39:36.165 --> 00:39:38.417 - All that noise, I was just like, 720 00:39:38.501 --> 00:39:39.585 "All right, I'm just gonna-- 721 00:39:39.668 --> 00:39:41.003 head down, I'm gonna do the work." 722 00:39:41.087 --> 00:39:42.171 - And he came in, 723 00:39:42.254 --> 00:39:45.424 and he just took it out on 'em. 724 00:39:46.592 --> 00:39:49.136 He was just focused. 725 00:40:55.286 --> 00:40:57.371 - 93.000. 726 00:40:57.454 --> 00:40:58.664 Tony Hawk is the winner! 727 00:41:07.923 --> 00:41:10.384 - When I finally started to have some success 728 00:41:10.467 --> 00:41:11.886 in competition, 729 00:41:11.969 --> 00:41:14.889 I was getting blasted in the magazines. 730 00:41:14.972 --> 00:41:16.807 "Thrasher" would write that there was favoritism 731 00:41:16.891 --> 00:41:17.808 in the competitions 732 00:41:17.892 --> 00:41:19.143 'cause my dad was helping running it 733 00:41:19.226 --> 00:41:21.395 and the finals were always at Del Mar 734 00:41:21.478 --> 00:41:22.396 and that's my local park, 735 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.440 and so the whole thing was just made for me. 736 00:41:24.523 --> 00:41:26.692 He's daddy's boy. 737 00:41:26.775 --> 00:41:29.111 - It was very easy for all the skaters to think 738 00:41:29.195 --> 00:41:31.489 that somehow Frank Hawk's pulling the strings. 739 00:41:31.572 --> 00:41:34.241 Really easy to do that. He couldn't. 740 00:41:34.325 --> 00:41:36.744 You know, all he did was organize this thing. 741 00:41:36.827 --> 00:41:38.621 - Even I did it at some point, you know? 742 00:41:38.704 --> 00:41:41.540 I was like, "Wait a minute. Your son's in the last heat. 743 00:41:41.624 --> 00:41:42.708 How come I'm in the first heat?" 744 00:41:42.791 --> 00:41:45.085 - It was just hard. It was hard being an outcast. 745 00:41:45.169 --> 00:41:48.088 It was hard being a skater 746 00:41:48.172 --> 00:41:50.591 whose style no one appreciated. 747 00:41:50.674 --> 00:41:54.261 And then my dad just added to that formula, 748 00:41:54.345 --> 00:41:56.138 and it was just, like-- I was just ostracized. 749 00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:09.068 I just felt that his presence was too intrusive 750 00:42:09.151 --> 00:42:13.239 and was affecting me and my relationships so much 751 00:42:13.322 --> 00:42:17.868 that there was no escape from it unless he backed off. 752 00:42:19.328 --> 00:42:20.955 Finally I just told him, you know, 753 00:42:21.038 --> 00:42:22.998 "I don't like it when you're at the events. 754 00:42:23.082 --> 00:42:25.584 It's way harder for me." 755 00:42:25.668 --> 00:42:26.794 He didn't take it well. 756 00:42:26.877 --> 00:42:28.212 He wasn't--it wasn't-- 757 00:42:28.295 --> 00:42:29.797 there was not gonna be a compromise. 758 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.966 His answer was basically, 759 00:42:32.049 --> 00:42:33.592 "Well, then I just won't-- I won't go. 760 00:42:33.676 --> 00:42:34.760 "I just won't do these events. 761 00:42:34.843 --> 00:42:36.136 You just want me not to be in there at all?" 762 00:42:36.220 --> 00:42:39.014 And I'm like, "Well..." 763 00:42:39.098 --> 00:42:42.142 Things got icy between us, and at the next event, 764 00:42:42.226 --> 00:42:45.062 he purposely tried to keep his distance. 765 00:42:45.145 --> 00:42:47.106 And I guess that's the best I could hope for 766 00:42:47.189 --> 00:42:49.275 without him quitting altogether. 767 00:42:49.358 --> 00:42:51.026 - Now, you're the father of Tony Hawk. 768 00:42:51.110 --> 00:42:52.403 How does it feel when you see your son 769 00:42:52.486 --> 00:42:53.696 go in there and compete? 770 00:42:53.779 --> 00:42:55.281 - Oh, I'm thrilled to death. 771 00:42:55.364 --> 00:42:57.950 I have to kind of force myself to keep subdued 772 00:42:58.033 --> 00:43:00.494 so I don't let people think I'm giving him an advantage 773 00:43:00.577 --> 00:43:01.745 in a contest or something. 774 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:04.748 So when we get to a contest, we're strangers to each other. 775 00:43:04.832 --> 00:43:06.667 But I'm very proud of him. 776 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.756 - I think I was 15 or 16. 777 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.800 My mom moved to Arizona 778 00:43:14.883 --> 00:43:18.679 to pursue her doctorate in business education. 779 00:43:18.762 --> 00:43:20.723 And so she was gone. 780 00:43:22.057 --> 00:43:24.810 It definitely changed the dynamic in the household. 781 00:43:26.020 --> 00:43:28.856 One day, he came in and he just said, 782 00:43:28.939 --> 00:43:30.524 "Hey, Tony, I think I'm having chest pains. 783 00:43:30.607 --> 00:43:32.901 "I think--you know, I don't know, 784 00:43:32.985 --> 00:43:35.904 "but it feels like something's wrong. 785 00:43:35.988 --> 00:43:38.699 I think we need to call an ambulance." 786 00:43:38.782 --> 00:43:41.994 And I kind of freaked out, 'cause I thought, 787 00:43:42.077 --> 00:43:44.663 "I'm here alone with my dad." 788 00:43:44.747 --> 00:43:48.167 We never had any conversations 789 00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:50.919 that were deep or loving. 790 00:43:51.003 --> 00:43:52.880 And so I told him, I just--you know, 791 00:43:52.963 --> 00:43:54.631 "I want you to know that I'm thankful 792 00:43:54.715 --> 00:43:58.052 for everything you did for me, and I love you." 793 00:43:58.135 --> 00:44:02.389 And he said, "I know you do." 794 00:44:05.517 --> 00:44:08.062 The hardest part about that whole scenario 795 00:44:08.145 --> 00:44:10.397 was taking him to the hospital 796 00:44:10.481 --> 00:44:13.817 and then coming home. 797 00:44:13.901 --> 00:44:16.528 And I was truly alone. 798 00:44:18.072 --> 00:44:20.699 And I was-- and my mom was gone. 799 00:44:20.783 --> 00:44:24.078 And then I just didn't really know what to do. 800 00:44:26.955 --> 00:44:32.294 - What ultimately happened is-- was a bypass. 801 00:44:32.378 --> 00:44:36.006 My dad changed his habits a bit. 802 00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:37.257 You know, he was walking more. 803 00:44:37.341 --> 00:44:39.385 He was--changed his diet a little bit. 804 00:44:39.468 --> 00:44:42.054 But then he just gradually got back 805 00:44:42.137 --> 00:44:45.974 to the same kind of old Frank. 806 00:44:46.058 --> 00:44:47.476 - Did you all try to talk to him 807 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.770 and get him to be healthier and... 808 00:44:49.853 --> 00:44:52.356 - No. I didn't. 809 00:44:52.439 --> 00:44:53.690 No. 810 00:44:56.985 --> 00:45:00.948 - Tony's training ground was the Del Mar skateboard park. 811 00:45:01.031 --> 00:45:02.449 The pool was a vertical pool, 812 00:45:02.533 --> 00:45:04.910 but the left wall wasn't quite so vertical. 813 00:45:04.993 --> 00:45:07.871 It was almost like a beautiful transition, 814 00:45:07.955 --> 00:45:10.207 so it was a perfect place to learn tricks. 815 00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:12.167 And that seemed to be the place 816 00:45:12.251 --> 00:45:15.129 Tony did all of his most difficult tricks. 817 00:45:15.212 --> 00:45:17.172 - That's where I skated my best. 818 00:45:17.256 --> 00:45:18.674 I had it dialed. I had it wired. 819 00:45:18.757 --> 00:45:20.259 And when I would go to other parks, 820 00:45:20.342 --> 00:45:21.510 I was out of place. 821 00:45:21.593 --> 00:45:22.803 I didn't have confidence. 822 00:45:22.886 --> 00:45:25.305 I didn't know how to use the transitions. 823 00:45:39.570 --> 00:45:43.991 - Most of his adversaries skated Upland, 824 00:45:44.074 --> 00:45:47.619 a really, really deep, big, giant pool. 825 00:45:47.703 --> 00:45:48.996 - Upland was considered 826 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:50.581 the gnarliest pool at the time. 827 00:45:50.664 --> 00:45:52.583 Like, if you did well in an Upland contest, 828 00:45:52.666 --> 00:45:54.418 you got the respect of the skate industry 829 00:45:54.501 --> 00:45:56.170 and the hard-core skaters. 830 00:45:56.253 --> 00:45:58.130 - That's a really challenging pool, 831 00:45:58.213 --> 00:45:59.590 'cause it's a square pool 832 00:45:59.673 --> 00:46:02.050 and a round pool and a radical hip. 833 00:46:02.134 --> 00:46:04.386 It's a really, really tricky place. 834 00:46:08.307 --> 00:46:09.516 - It's just scary. 835 00:46:14.313 --> 00:46:16.648 If you're gonna ride Upland, you got to go for it. 836 00:46:16.732 --> 00:46:19.359 You can't just phone it in. You can't cruise it. 837 00:46:19.443 --> 00:46:21.361 You gotta put yourself at risk. 838 00:46:29.036 --> 00:46:31.747 - Tony knew this contest was coming up, 839 00:46:31.830 --> 00:46:34.166 and it was a huge contest. 840 00:46:34.249 --> 00:46:36.710 - I made it my mission to get used to the pool, 841 00:46:36.793 --> 00:46:38.545 and I drove up there every weekend. 842 00:46:38.629 --> 00:46:40.881 It was the first time I truly worked 843 00:46:40.964 --> 00:46:43.050 at getting used to different terrain 844 00:46:43.133 --> 00:46:44.676 to prove myself beyond 845 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.720 being this one-trick pony at Del Mar. 846 00:46:51.892 --> 00:46:53.519 - Tony, you're the big winner from Del Mar. 847 00:46:53.602 --> 00:46:54.895 Do you think you'll be able to do it? 848 00:46:54.978 --> 00:46:55.938 - I don't know. 849 00:46:56.021 --> 00:46:57.481 I'm having a pretty tough time in this pool. 850 00:46:57.564 --> 00:46:59.358 - What makes this one different from Del Mar? 851 00:46:59.441 --> 00:47:00.651 - Well, it's got a lot more vert, 852 00:47:00.734 --> 00:47:02.569 and it's a lot rougher 853 00:47:02.653 --> 00:47:05.030 and big coping, so it's harder to ride. 854 00:47:05.113 --> 00:47:06.031 - Big coping. 855 00:47:06.114 --> 00:47:07.866 Who's your toughest competition? 856 00:47:07.950 --> 00:47:09.576 - Shoot. 857 00:47:09.660 --> 00:47:11.537 I'd stay Stevie, Lance, Christian. 858 00:47:11.620 --> 00:47:13.705 Psh, all those guys. 859 00:47:13.789 --> 00:47:14.915 - Well, good luck on your competition. 860 00:47:14.998 --> 00:47:15.999 - Thanks. 861 00:47:17.251 --> 00:47:18.418 - Let's hear it for Tony Hawk! 862 00:47:28.220 --> 00:47:31.265 - I had a run that was sort of my safety run, 863 00:47:31.348 --> 00:47:33.809 where it was good, but didn't have all the tricks. 864 00:47:33.892 --> 00:47:37.729 - The score is up. 81. 81.00. 865 00:47:37.813 --> 00:47:39.690 - Who's the person to beat this time? 866 00:47:39.773 --> 00:47:42.985 - Uh, A lot of people. Chris Miller. 867 00:47:43.068 --> 00:47:45.237 - Chris Miller was the local favorite, 868 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.239 the best skater in that pool. 869 00:47:50.325 --> 00:47:52.202 He hung up and knocked himself out. 870 00:47:58.667 --> 00:48:01.336 - Score is up. 80.00. 871 00:48:05.882 --> 00:48:08.302 - 81.0 for Stevie Caballero. 872 00:48:10.596 --> 00:48:12.639 - And we have Lance Mountain on the way. 873 00:48:12.723 --> 00:48:14.975 Score's 83.33. 874 00:48:15.058 --> 00:48:17.686 Let's hear it. Lance Mountain. 83.33. 875 00:48:26.570 --> 00:48:30.282 - On my second run, I landed super low on a McTwist 876 00:48:30.365 --> 00:48:32.951 and then ended up kind of screwing up my speed. 877 00:48:33.035 --> 00:48:35.621 - Score 81.66. 878 00:48:35.704 --> 00:48:37.789 That wraps up the second round. 879 00:48:37.873 --> 00:48:40.167 - Came down to the last runs. 880 00:48:40.250 --> 00:48:42.002 And then on my fourth run, 881 00:48:42.085 --> 00:48:43.879 I did exactly what I came there to do. 882 00:48:43.962 --> 00:48:45.213 - This is Tony Hawk, 883 00:48:45.297 --> 00:48:46.673 going down for round number two. 884 00:48:46.757 --> 00:48:48.717 Let's hear it. Tony Hawk! 885 00:49:00.437 --> 00:49:03.023 - The combinations that he did were amazing. 886 00:49:03.106 --> 00:49:04.316 Amazing. 887 00:49:06.777 --> 00:49:08.278 - Skating the hardest parts of the pool, 888 00:49:08.362 --> 00:49:10.113 sliding around the corners. 889 00:49:22.084 --> 00:49:26.546 I felt so at ease and confident 890 00:49:26.630 --> 00:49:29.049 that I was singing in my run 891 00:49:29.132 --> 00:49:31.259 the song that was playing over the loudspeaker. 892 00:49:31.343 --> 00:49:33.095 "She Goes to Finos," Toy Dolls. 893 00:49:56.118 --> 00:49:58.036 - It was like Luke Skywalker 894 00:49:58.120 --> 00:50:02.541 going in to take out Darth Vader at the Death Star. 895 00:50:02.624 --> 00:50:05.043 - Incredible. 896 00:50:05.127 --> 00:50:09.131 Score 85.66. 85.66. 897 00:50:11.341 --> 00:50:14.803 - He won a contest that nobody in skateboarding 898 00:50:14.886 --> 00:50:18.682 ever expected him to win, ever, under any circumstances. 899 00:50:18.765 --> 00:50:21.059 - And that's when a lot of people shut up 900 00:50:21.143 --> 00:50:22.144 about my style, 901 00:50:22.227 --> 00:50:25.605 about me only being good at Del Mar. 902 00:50:25.689 --> 00:50:27.524 - To me, that's maybe the biggest, 903 00:50:27.607 --> 00:50:29.526 most important win of his life. 904 00:50:29.609 --> 00:50:32.279 Once you can win there, you can win anywhere. 905 00:50:34.156 --> 00:50:37.409 That was the beginning of his launch 906 00:50:37.492 --> 00:50:38.702 to become Tony Hawk. 907 00:50:51.715 --> 00:50:54.217 - He grew taller than all of us. 908 00:50:54.301 --> 00:50:58.513 His tricks got bigger, and his airs got higher. 909 00:51:06.563 --> 00:51:08.607 - Do you have a favorite skater? 910 00:51:08.690 --> 00:51:10.650 - Tony Hawk. - Tony Hawk? 911 00:51:10.734 --> 00:51:12.778 - Tony Hawk. - Oh, very good. 912 00:51:16.114 --> 00:51:19.075 - Tony was obviously gonna be a threat. 913 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:20.285 People saw that. 914 00:51:20.368 --> 00:51:22.287 Even if it took five years to get there. 915 00:51:27.876 --> 00:51:29.336 - All of a sudden, he started 916 00:51:29.419 --> 00:51:31.171 just winning all these contests. 917 00:51:31.254 --> 00:51:33.381 Now he's got these tricks. Now he's got this trick. 918 00:51:33.465 --> 00:51:35.675 He has every trick going on and more. 919 00:51:35.759 --> 00:51:37.844 - Hawk! Tony Hawk! 920 00:51:42.849 --> 00:51:45.227 - He was coming up with a fantastic run, 921 00:51:45.310 --> 00:51:47.395 and then all of a sudden, he'd one-up himself. 922 00:51:51.066 --> 00:51:52.818 - At every contest, there'd be, like, 923 00:51:52.901 --> 00:51:54.486 three new tricks. 924 00:51:54.569 --> 00:51:57.697 He's spinning, he's varialing, he's doing finger flips. 925 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.706 - Here I am, I'm just trying to go higher, farther, faster, 926 00:52:06.790 --> 00:52:09.543 'cause I have to keep up with Tony. 927 00:52:21.429 --> 00:52:25.016 - Taking home $2,000 is Tony Hawk! 928 00:52:44.619 --> 00:52:46.079 - Tony's the youngest skateboarder 929 00:52:46.162 --> 00:52:47.163 on the Bones Brigade. 930 00:52:47.247 --> 00:52:51.167 So suddenly, he's beating his idols-- 931 00:52:51.251 --> 00:52:54.045 Caballero, McGill, Lance. 932 00:52:54.129 --> 00:52:57.215 They used to kill him. Now he's above 'em. 933 00:53:07.017 --> 00:53:09.978 - First place goes to Tony Hawk! 934 00:53:10.061 --> 00:53:12.022 3,000 bucks! 935 00:53:16.318 --> 00:53:17.652 - What's it gonna take to win? 936 00:53:17.736 --> 00:53:19.112 You're gonna have to beat Tony Hawk, you know. 937 00:53:19.195 --> 00:53:21.531 He's number one right now. 938 00:53:41.551 --> 00:53:43.887 - He would go basically win-- 939 00:53:43.970 --> 00:53:45.096 I don't know what the record was, 940 00:53:45.180 --> 00:53:46.348 but pretty much everything. 941 00:53:46.431 --> 00:53:47.974 And everybody'd be stoked. 942 00:53:48.058 --> 00:53:49.476 And maybe he would be lit up 943 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.647 for long enough to take the team photos or whatever. 944 00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:55.941 But then you could immediately see the wheels turning of, 945 00:53:56.024 --> 00:53:59.277 "Yeah, but I should have done this." 946 00:53:59.361 --> 00:54:01.112 And he would go right back to it. 947 00:54:03.198 --> 00:54:06.117 - I was singularly focused on skating 948 00:54:06.201 --> 00:54:08.119 and doing well at the events 949 00:54:08.203 --> 00:54:11.081 because that was the only road to success. 950 00:54:11.164 --> 00:54:15.669 It probably affected my emotional connections 951 00:54:15.752 --> 00:54:18.338 because I couldn't think of anything else. 952 00:54:18.421 --> 00:54:21.216 I was obligated to go to all the competitions, 953 00:54:21.299 --> 00:54:23.009 nonstop on the road. 954 00:54:23.093 --> 00:54:25.887 I had a formula where I'd create a routine, 955 00:54:25.971 --> 00:54:27.973 I had these backup tricks that I was gonna do later, 956 00:54:28.056 --> 00:54:29.391 and then I just started doing that, 957 00:54:29.474 --> 00:54:31.851 and it was like I was just a machine. 958 00:54:31.935 --> 00:54:33.353 - You feeling any excess pressure 959 00:54:33.436 --> 00:54:34.729 now that you're in first place, 960 00:54:34.813 --> 00:54:36.731 or do you think that's the better place to be? 961 00:54:36.815 --> 00:54:37.899 - Oh, I don't know. 962 00:54:37.983 --> 00:54:41.528 I mean, I guess I feel really happy that I did that run 963 00:54:41.611 --> 00:54:43.488 and I'm in first with it, but I don't know. 964 00:54:43.571 --> 00:54:45.490 I'm just gonna do my best, and if I do my best 965 00:54:45.573 --> 00:54:48.326 and I don't even win, that's okay with me. 966 00:54:48.410 --> 00:54:52.414 It got to the point where it was somewhat repetitive 967 00:54:52.497 --> 00:54:56.543 and just methodical 968 00:54:56.626 --> 00:54:58.920 and robotic, 969 00:54:59.004 --> 00:55:00.922 where I came in and it was like, 970 00:55:01.006 --> 00:55:02.132 "I'm gonna have to do this. 971 00:55:02.215 --> 00:55:04.050 "I'm gonna have to go this much further, 972 00:55:04.134 --> 00:55:05.260 "because now they're judging me 973 00:55:05.343 --> 00:55:06.886 "on what they saw me do last time. 974 00:55:06.970 --> 00:55:08.722 So I gotta take it one step further." 975 00:55:08.805 --> 00:55:11.891 And I became a machine. 976 00:55:11.975 --> 00:55:15.562 And it really did suck the fun out of it. 977 00:55:15.645 --> 00:55:17.522 Other skaters would tell me, like, 978 00:55:17.605 --> 00:55:18.940 while we're practicing, 979 00:55:19.024 --> 00:55:20.734 "Man, I just want to get second." 980 00:55:20.817 --> 00:55:24.571 And I just took it as I didn't have any peers. 981 00:55:25.572 --> 00:55:27.157 It was just isolating. It was a bummer. 982 00:55:27.240 --> 00:55:28.366 I can't explain it. 983 00:55:28.450 --> 00:55:30.785 You know, the whole thing, it's lonely at the top--it is. 984 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.463 - I think it's a quote from Nietzsche's "Zarathustra." 985 00:55:41.546 --> 00:55:42.922 "You make it up to the top of a mountain, 986 00:55:43.006 --> 00:55:44.632 and what's left for me but lightning?" 987 00:55:50.180 --> 00:55:54.100 - With all of the things that were coming to him, 988 00:55:54.184 --> 00:55:55.769 his father being at contests 989 00:55:55.852 --> 00:55:57.687 and the commotion that his father causes 990 00:55:57.771 --> 00:55:59.481 with all the other skateboarders, 991 00:55:59.564 --> 00:56:01.483 people blaming Tony for winning 992 00:56:01.566 --> 00:56:03.234 because his father's setting it up, 993 00:56:03.318 --> 00:56:05.236 people calling him a clown skater 994 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:06.571 because of the tricks he does, 995 00:56:06.654 --> 00:56:08.448 people saying, "You don't deserve to be doing this. 996 00:56:08.531 --> 00:56:10.575 Christian should be winning," 997 00:56:10.658 --> 00:56:14.746 and at the same time, achieving his dream. 998 00:56:14.829 --> 00:56:16.998 He achieved his dream. 999 00:56:17.082 --> 00:56:18.416 And he got up there and he realized 1000 00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:20.710 how lonely it is. 1001 00:56:20.794 --> 00:56:23.588 - I felt like I was losing myself, 1002 00:56:23.671 --> 00:56:25.673 losing my passion. 1003 00:56:25.757 --> 00:56:31.304 None of the money or fame or success was worth that. 1004 00:56:31.387 --> 00:56:32.514 - Skating very well today. 1005 00:56:32.597 --> 00:56:36.309 - Um, not as well as I want to. 1006 00:56:36.392 --> 00:56:38.853 - The heat bothering you? - Not so much that. 1007 00:56:38.937 --> 00:56:42.065 I'm just not really feeling like skating right now. 1008 00:56:42.148 --> 00:56:43.149 - He just decided 1009 00:56:43.233 --> 00:56:45.443 that he didn't want to compete anymore. 1010 00:56:45.527 --> 00:56:47.612 - I told my brother how I was feeling. 1011 00:56:47.695 --> 00:56:48.780 He was really the only one 1012 00:56:48.863 --> 00:56:51.116 I felt like I could confide in. 1013 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:53.785 He said, "You gotta tell Stacy." 1014 00:56:53.868 --> 00:56:57.372 - Tony was seriously in a catatonic state 1015 00:56:57.455 --> 00:56:59.207 when he arrived at my house. 1016 00:56:59.290 --> 00:57:01.417 He sat there just looking at me like... 1017 00:57:03.294 --> 00:57:07.549 - You didn't tell Stacy that you're gonna quit anything. 1018 00:57:07.632 --> 00:57:09.551 Who would do that? 1019 00:57:09.634 --> 00:57:11.678 - Steve proceeded to tell me 1020 00:57:11.761 --> 00:57:15.515 that it had all just become too much for Tony. 1021 00:57:15.598 --> 00:57:20.228 He wasn't enjoying being a professional skateboarder. 1022 00:57:22.730 --> 00:57:25.191 I think that's as close as he's ever gotten, 1023 00:57:25.275 --> 00:57:26.985 that I've seen, 1024 00:57:27.068 --> 00:57:29.612 to dealing with the pain that's inside of him. 1025 00:57:36.870 --> 00:57:40.999 - Driving home, there was a sense of hopelessness. 1026 00:57:41.082 --> 00:57:44.961 And I didn't really know what was gonna happen next. 1027 00:57:45.044 --> 00:57:47.297 Stacy told me that Rodney Mullen 1028 00:57:47.380 --> 00:57:49.132 had the same conversation with him 1029 00:57:49.215 --> 00:57:51.593 about a year prior to me telling him that. 1030 00:57:51.676 --> 00:57:53.386 And Rodney had stopped competing. 1031 00:57:53.469 --> 00:57:55.013 I called Rodney, 1032 00:57:55.096 --> 00:57:59.017 and Rodney unloaded everything. 1033 00:57:59.100 --> 00:58:00.268 He just said, "You know, 1034 00:58:00.351 --> 00:58:04.189 "I've come to appreciate the skating more. 1035 00:58:04.272 --> 00:58:06.232 "I'm willing to take more chances 1036 00:58:06.316 --> 00:58:10.945 and risk not winning, and that has liberated me." 1037 00:58:11.029 --> 00:58:15.325 And he said, "Maybe that would help you." 1038 00:58:41.392 --> 00:58:44.020 When I eventually stopped competing, 1039 00:58:44.103 --> 00:58:47.065 I was like, "Oh, I have all this freedom now." 1040 00:58:49.651 --> 00:58:52.528 "I'm not beholden to earning points 1041 00:58:52.612 --> 00:58:54.489 and staying on all the time." 1042 00:58:57.033 --> 00:58:59.452 I had a totally different approach 1043 00:58:59.535 --> 00:59:02.121 to what I was doing. 1044 00:59:02.205 --> 00:59:05.458 Started getting much more creative. 1045 00:59:09.837 --> 00:59:11.965 Detachment. Freedom. 1046 00:59:12.048 --> 00:59:14.801 You can breathe. 1047 00:59:14.884 --> 00:59:17.637 We skate with our hearts. 1048 00:59:17.720 --> 00:59:22.433 And...it has its own feelings. 1049 00:59:43.663 --> 00:59:45.164 - Both Tony and Rodney 1050 00:59:45.248 --> 00:59:49.669 talk about the difficulties of competition. 1051 00:59:49.752 --> 00:59:53.339 But both of those guys loved competing. 1052 00:59:53.423 --> 00:59:56.009 They were both killers. 1053 00:59:56.092 --> 00:59:58.678 Not just competitors, killers. 1054 00:59:58.761 --> 01:00:00.054 They're not out to beat you. 1055 01:00:00.138 --> 01:00:02.348 They're out to make you afraid to ever come to them 1056 01:00:02.432 --> 01:00:03.808 and compete with them again. 1057 01:00:07.437 --> 01:00:09.647 Tony may have had a hard time with it, 1058 01:00:09.731 --> 01:00:12.608 but once he walked away from competition, 1059 01:00:12.692 --> 01:00:14.068 he couldn't live without it. 1060 01:00:14.152 --> 01:00:16.154 He had to get back in. 1061 01:00:22.243 --> 01:00:24.245 - Eventually found my way back to it 1062 01:00:24.329 --> 01:00:26.831 with a different attitude, and I could still make it fun, 1063 01:00:26.914 --> 01:00:28.166 and I could still do it for a living, 1064 01:00:28.249 --> 01:00:30.376 and that was it. 1065 01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:31.753 That was the turning point. 1066 01:00:42.096 --> 01:00:43.723 - One time when I lived with Tony, 1067 01:00:43.806 --> 01:00:45.099 it was garbage day, and I came up, 1068 01:00:45.183 --> 01:00:46.225 and he'd cleaned out the garage. 1069 01:00:46.309 --> 01:00:48.019 And he was dragging this trash can 1070 01:00:48.102 --> 01:00:50.897 down the driveway, 1071 01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:52.148 and there was all these trophies 1072 01:00:52.231 --> 01:00:53.441 poking out of the top. 1073 01:00:53.524 --> 01:00:55.360 Like, he did not care. 1074 01:00:55.443 --> 01:00:57.362 He lost his bag of X Games medals. 1075 01:00:57.445 --> 01:00:59.864 I mean, he's never, ever cared. 1076 01:00:59.947 --> 01:01:00.907 I've never seen him, 1077 01:01:00.990 --> 01:01:03.034 since I've known him for 30 years, 1078 01:01:03.117 --> 01:01:04.369 to put any of the trophies up. 1079 01:01:04.452 --> 01:01:06.871 Other people will, but he's never had a trophy room. 1080 01:01:06.954 --> 01:01:10.375 "That's just a symbol of one point in time. 1081 01:01:10.458 --> 01:01:12.460 I can't get attached to that." 1082 01:01:31.687 --> 01:01:34.524 - Video was a whole new avenue. 1083 01:01:34.607 --> 01:01:36.567 It's not about competition. 1084 01:01:36.651 --> 01:01:39.737 That eventually outshined all the contests. 1085 01:01:43.658 --> 01:01:45.576 - Kids are now seeing how to do it. 1086 01:01:45.660 --> 01:01:47.161 When they'd look at a magazine, 1087 01:01:47.245 --> 01:01:49.038 they'd see a maneuver, but they didn't understand 1088 01:01:49.122 --> 01:01:50.581 how a kid got from here to there 1089 01:01:50.665 --> 01:01:51.833 or there to here. 1090 01:01:51.916 --> 01:01:54.293 But when they saw the video, they saw the whole thing. 1091 01:01:54.377 --> 01:01:56.129 So it completely revolutionized 1092 01:01:56.212 --> 01:01:58.172 how kids consumed skateboarding. 1093 01:01:58.256 --> 01:02:00.341 And it really helped the sport grow. 1094 01:02:05.763 --> 01:02:08.558 - I was 12 years old when I first got 1095 01:02:08.641 --> 01:02:10.351 a skateboard and got into skateboarding. 1096 01:02:10.435 --> 01:02:12.645 And it was the boom of the Bones Brigade, 1097 01:02:12.728 --> 01:02:13.938 and everybody had a skateboard. 1098 01:02:14.021 --> 01:02:16.482 And immediately was attracted 1099 01:02:16.566 --> 01:02:20.153 to the fun of skateboarding through Lance Mountain 1100 01:02:20.236 --> 01:02:23.614 and the tricks in skateboarding through Tony Hawk. 1101 01:02:27.869 --> 01:02:29.620 - Oh, those videos got passed around. 1102 01:02:29.704 --> 01:02:31.956 I mean, people tell me that they would rent it 1103 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:33.666 from the shop, give it to their friend. 1104 01:02:33.749 --> 01:02:36.002 It would break. They'd tape it back together. 1105 01:02:36.085 --> 01:02:37.628 - That was the greatest thing ever. 1106 01:02:37.712 --> 01:02:41.215 Like, I just would watch it over and over and over. 1107 01:02:41.299 --> 01:02:43.342 Like, "There's gonna be another one? 1108 01:02:43.426 --> 01:02:45.845 What are they gonna do? How funny is Lance gonna be?" 1109 01:02:45.928 --> 01:02:48.222 Like, you know, "What are the new tricks like?" 1110 01:02:48.306 --> 01:02:50.475 Stacy was onto something, man. 1111 01:02:50.558 --> 01:02:52.894 Like, there's still nothing cooler 1112 01:02:52.977 --> 01:02:54.562 than Bones Brigade videos. 1113 01:03:24.217 --> 01:03:25.635 - Animal Chin. Have you heard of 'em? 1114 01:03:25.718 --> 01:03:27.303 - If you look too hard for Animal Chin, 1115 01:03:27.386 --> 01:03:28.763 you're never gonna find 'em. 1116 01:03:33.392 --> 01:03:35.144 - Heard about this ramp. 1117 01:03:35.228 --> 01:03:37.271 It's in this field between two junkyards. 1118 01:03:42.485 --> 01:03:44.570 - You know, Stacy would have me, Mike, 1119 01:03:44.654 --> 01:03:46.864 and Lance do our parts, 1120 01:03:46.948 --> 01:03:49.700 and then it was Tony's turn. 1121 01:03:55.122 --> 01:03:56.499 - What the hell was that? 1122 01:03:59.377 --> 01:04:03.089 - Oh! - Insane. 1123 01:04:03.172 --> 01:04:04.590 - I'm like, "Man, this guy's got 1124 01:04:04.674 --> 01:04:06.926 a bag of tricks that doesn't stop." 1125 01:04:13.641 --> 01:04:16.060 540s were hard enough grabbing, 1126 01:04:16.143 --> 01:04:19.730 but to do it without grabbing your board... 1127 01:04:19.814 --> 01:04:23.484 - People thought it was an impossible trick to do. 1128 01:04:23.568 --> 01:04:25.486 When people saw it, they were like, 1129 01:04:25.570 --> 01:04:27.113 "That's not real." 1130 01:04:40.293 --> 01:04:43.462 - Tony's becoming a superstar in skateboarding, 1131 01:04:43.546 --> 01:04:47.300 and as a result, we sold more of his board models 1132 01:04:47.383 --> 01:04:48.968 pretty much every month 1133 01:04:49.051 --> 01:04:50.845 more than anybody else on the team. 1134 01:04:50.928 --> 01:04:54.473 We could've sold even probably more than we sold of Tony's. 1135 01:04:54.557 --> 01:04:55.725 - You just didn't make enough. 1136 01:04:55.808 --> 01:04:57.518 - We couldn't make enough. 1137 01:04:57.602 --> 01:04:59.812 - By the time that I was 17, 1138 01:04:59.895 --> 01:05:02.481 I was making at least six figures 1139 01:05:02.565 --> 01:05:03.774 just from skateboards. 1140 01:05:03.858 --> 01:05:05.109 You get very jaded 1141 01:05:05.192 --> 01:05:06.527 when that kind of money is coming in. 1142 01:05:06.611 --> 01:05:10.239 And also, I'm not trying to be responsible with it. 1143 01:05:10.323 --> 01:05:12.450 I'm not saving for the future, 1144 01:05:12.533 --> 01:05:14.452 nor am I saving for taxes. 1145 01:05:14.535 --> 01:05:17.246 And so my dad was the one 1146 01:05:17.330 --> 01:05:18.956 who really guided me through that 1147 01:05:19.040 --> 01:05:22.335 and was the one who convinced me to buy a house 1148 01:05:22.418 --> 01:05:24.837 when I was still in high school. 1149 01:05:41.062 --> 01:05:43.814 - Tony and his dad built all these beautiful ramps. 1150 01:05:43.898 --> 01:05:45.816 I mean, they were just unbelievable. 1151 01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:47.777 His dad was so dedicated. 1152 01:05:47.860 --> 01:05:50.488 - The winningest vertical skateboard rider in history 1153 01:05:50.571 --> 01:05:52.156 now making a very comfortable living 1154 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:53.616 as a pro athlete. 1155 01:05:53.699 --> 01:05:56.911 - In this house, they live, breathe, sleep, talk, 1156 01:05:56.994 --> 01:05:59.163 and eat skateboarding. 1157 01:05:59.246 --> 01:06:01.832 And what you're about to see are the rewards for a guy 1158 01:06:01.916 --> 01:06:04.001 who's become top of his sport. 1159 01:06:06.003 --> 01:06:08.047 - On Sunday, I'm signing autographs. 1160 01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:10.716 I am flying home with an oversized check, 1161 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.385 says $10,000. 1162 01:06:12.468 --> 01:06:15.221 I had to put it up in the first-class closet. 1163 01:06:15.304 --> 01:06:16.764 And then I go home, and I gotta wake up 1164 01:06:16.847 --> 01:06:20.559 at00 a.m. next day and get to school. 1165 01:06:31.278 --> 01:06:34.865 - When we started traveling around the world, 1166 01:06:34.949 --> 01:06:36.867 we started noticing there was a lot of people 1167 01:06:36.951 --> 01:06:38.035 showing up to our demos, 1168 01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:40.413 and we were getting a lot of attention. 1169 01:06:42.123 --> 01:06:45.543 - We're on the road, and we're in our teens. 1170 01:06:45.626 --> 01:06:48.921 New city every night, trying to meet girls. 1171 01:06:56.804 --> 01:07:01.809 - When it got big, it was rock star time and girl time. 1172 01:07:01.892 --> 01:07:04.353 Look at the people who didn't have ponytails. 1173 01:07:04.437 --> 01:07:06.480 I didn't have a ponytail. They all did. 1174 01:07:06.564 --> 01:07:08.566 That was a pure sign that you're stoked, 1175 01:07:08.649 --> 01:07:09.900 that you're a rock star, 1176 01:07:09.984 --> 01:07:11.444 and you're gonna get some girls. 1177 01:07:27.710 --> 01:07:29.879 - It seemed like money was just raining down, 1178 01:07:29.962 --> 01:07:31.881 and some of the guys got carried away. 1179 01:07:31.964 --> 01:07:34.800 They were spending crazy. 1180 01:07:34.884 --> 01:07:38.095 At one point, Powell sent us credit cards. 1181 01:07:38.179 --> 01:07:40.514 We had no idea how credit cards worked, 1182 01:07:40.598 --> 01:07:42.516 so we just thought that we could spend money 1183 01:07:42.600 --> 01:07:45.269 and that we wouldn't get the bill. 1184 01:07:45.352 --> 01:07:47.813 We were buying cameras, video games. 1185 01:07:47.897 --> 01:07:51.108 I think I bought a pinball machine. 1186 01:07:51.192 --> 01:07:53.944 I'd be in Japan, I would just buy boom boxes, 1187 01:07:54.028 --> 01:07:58.157 headphones, and at one point, I bought a tanning bed. 1188 01:08:03.370 --> 01:08:07.416 - From '87 to '89, 1189 01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:09.502 it was salad days. 1190 01:08:09.585 --> 01:08:12.004 It was the heyday. It was crazy. 1191 01:08:12.087 --> 01:08:17.676 1989, I went on tour in the U.S. for a month. 1192 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:21.180 Every demo was thousands of people. 1193 01:08:21.263 --> 01:08:23.682 And then we go to Europe for six weeks. 1194 01:08:23.766 --> 01:08:25.100 Every crowd was huge. 1195 01:08:25.184 --> 01:08:27.394 We did a demo at Tivoli Gardens. 1196 01:08:27.478 --> 01:08:29.605 The entire amusement park stopped what they were doing 1197 01:08:29.688 --> 01:08:31.732 to watch us skate. 1198 01:08:31.816 --> 01:08:34.902 And then we'd go to Australia, in Sydney. 1199 01:08:34.985 --> 01:08:37.404 Vert ramp right in the middle of the city. 1200 01:08:37.488 --> 01:08:39.949 People were lining the rooftops 1201 01:08:40.032 --> 01:08:42.159 because there was no more room to watch us. 1202 01:08:43.744 --> 01:08:45.121 - He was really doing well. 1203 01:08:45.204 --> 01:08:47.873 And I was really happy for him. 1204 01:08:47.957 --> 01:08:51.252 And it gave my parents such bragging rights 1205 01:08:51.335 --> 01:08:52.461 that they couldn't-- 1206 01:08:52.545 --> 01:08:55.256 they would stop total strangers at the airport and say, 1207 01:08:55.339 --> 01:08:58.551 "My son is Tony Hawk. That's no lie." 1208 01:08:58.634 --> 01:09:01.428 - So life with the alien is good, huh? 1209 01:09:01.512 --> 01:09:03.389 - So far. So far, so good. 1210 01:09:03.472 --> 01:09:06.058 - Well, we all wish you many luck and happiness, and-- 1211 01:09:06.141 --> 01:09:09.103 - I was 22. Cindy was 24. 1212 01:09:09.186 --> 01:09:10.896 We were living together. 1213 01:09:10.980 --> 01:09:14.859 We decided the next stage would be to get married. 1214 01:09:14.942 --> 01:09:17.027 Suddenly, I'm married, 1215 01:09:17.111 --> 01:09:19.864 I have a kid on the way, I have two mortgages, 1216 01:09:19.947 --> 01:09:22.825 and I was just thrust into adulthood. 1217 01:09:22.908 --> 01:09:25.411 And little did I know 1218 01:09:25.494 --> 01:09:29.206 that that income wasn't gonna last. 1219 01:09:29.290 --> 01:09:32.585 - Skateboarding is cyclical. It's a cyclical business. 1220 01:09:32.668 --> 01:09:37.256 It was big from '73 to '79. 1221 01:09:37.339 --> 01:09:41.510 And then from 1980 to '84, it dipped way down, 1222 01:09:41.594 --> 01:09:43.429 almost disappeared. 1223 01:09:43.512 --> 01:09:45.472 '85, it starts to climb again, 1224 01:09:45.556 --> 01:09:48.350 and it goes all the way up until 1990, 1225 01:09:48.434 --> 01:09:51.270 and then it dips again, and it dips radically. 1226 01:09:51.353 --> 01:09:53.230 And when it did, 1227 01:09:53.314 --> 01:09:56.108 a lot of companies went out of business. 1228 01:09:56.192 --> 01:09:58.277 - I remember Stacy telling me, "It's getting really hard 1229 01:09:58.360 --> 01:10:01.405 to justify any expenses that we usually put out there." 1230 01:10:01.488 --> 01:10:03.616 And I said, "Well, what does that mean?" 1231 01:10:03.699 --> 01:10:06.410 And he said, "Well, I think you'll be the last to feel it, 1232 01:10:06.493 --> 01:10:08.913 but it's coming." 1233 01:10:27.556 --> 01:10:29.475 Skate magazines were going away. 1234 01:10:29.558 --> 01:10:32.519 Skate brands were barely surviving. 1235 01:10:34.563 --> 01:10:36.190 The skate parks closing down 1236 01:10:36.273 --> 01:10:38.067 was the last nail in the coffin. 1237 01:10:41.946 --> 01:10:44.239 - The early '90s were the dark years. 1238 01:10:44.323 --> 01:10:46.992 It was tough. 1239 01:10:47.076 --> 01:10:48.786 Vertical skateboarding was dead. 1240 01:10:51.038 --> 01:10:53.374 - I remember some of the last contests, 1241 01:10:53.457 --> 01:10:54.625 and then all of a sudden, 1242 01:10:54.708 --> 01:10:56.794 there just was no more contests. 1243 01:10:59.213 --> 01:11:01.382 It was like a rude awakening for all of us. 1244 01:11:05.094 --> 01:11:07.346 - '91 was sort of the end 1245 01:11:07.429 --> 01:11:09.682 of the Bones Brigade era as I knew it. 1246 01:11:09.765 --> 01:11:11.558 We went to go talk to Stacy, 1247 01:11:11.642 --> 01:11:14.061 and he said, "You guys, I already left." 1248 01:11:14.144 --> 01:11:16.480 - There was kind of this distance thing 1249 01:11:16.563 --> 01:11:18.732 between all of us during those years. 1250 01:11:18.816 --> 01:11:20.859 We weren't all together with Stacy, 1251 01:11:20.943 --> 01:11:22.611 and we weren't going to contests, 1252 01:11:22.695 --> 01:11:24.822 and we weren't-- there was nothing. 1253 01:11:24.905 --> 01:11:27.908 All of us were thinking, you know, "Is this it? 1254 01:11:27.992 --> 01:11:29.868 What we love to do is just nothing?" 1255 01:11:29.952 --> 01:11:32.663 You know, we just came from touring around the world. 1256 01:11:32.746 --> 01:11:35.332 We went to George Harrison's house, for Pete's sake. 1257 01:11:35.416 --> 01:11:39.920 That was an intensely tough time 1258 01:11:40.004 --> 01:11:42.715 for most of us. 1259 01:11:42.798 --> 01:11:44.883 - I started Birdhouse in '92. 1260 01:11:44.967 --> 01:11:46.719 I had high hopes that it was going 1261 01:11:46.802 --> 01:11:48.721 to at least be profitable within a year or so, 1262 01:11:48.804 --> 01:11:50.097 and it just wasn't. 1263 01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:52.683 And we were scraping by, 1264 01:11:52.766 --> 01:11:55.853 and there was-- there was not a bright future. 1265 01:11:55.936 --> 01:11:58.647 Riley, point to Mommy. 1266 01:11:58.731 --> 01:12:01.525 - Mommy. - Yeah. 1267 01:12:01.608 --> 01:12:04.153 Where's Daddy? 1268 01:12:04.236 --> 01:12:06.196 - Cindy was becoming the breadwinner 1269 01:12:06.280 --> 01:12:07.406 being a manicurist. 1270 01:12:08.949 --> 01:12:11.952 Our relationship was rocky at best. 1271 01:12:12.036 --> 01:12:14.121 People she works with, it's just like, 1272 01:12:14.204 --> 01:12:16.165 "He's still trying to skateboard? 1273 01:12:16.248 --> 01:12:18.083 "Are you fucking serious? 1274 01:12:18.167 --> 01:12:19.752 Like, grow up. Get a job." 1275 01:12:21.211 --> 01:12:24.214 I started taking every odd job I could. 1276 01:12:24.298 --> 01:12:28.761 I bought a video editing system on consignment. 1277 01:12:28.844 --> 01:12:29.928 I couldn't even afford it. 1278 01:12:30.012 --> 01:12:33.098 I borrowed $5,000 from my parents to buy it. 1279 01:12:33.182 --> 01:12:35.642 - He's chugging this OJ. 1280 01:12:35.726 --> 01:12:37.186 When I moved in with Tony, 1281 01:12:37.269 --> 01:12:39.772 we were both super, super broke. 1282 01:12:39.855 --> 01:12:42.357 But I think we were like, "We'll just keep, you know, 1283 01:12:42.441 --> 01:12:45.444 "adjusting our lifestyle lower and lower 1284 01:12:45.527 --> 01:12:47.404 until we get to that crisis point." 1285 01:12:47.488 --> 01:12:50.074 - We had a water bill at the time 1286 01:12:50.157 --> 01:12:53.452 that I had to go down to the city 1287 01:12:53.535 --> 01:12:55.454 and ask to make payments on. 1288 01:12:55.537 --> 01:12:59.083 And they allowed me to pay it off over six months. 1289 01:12:59.166 --> 01:13:02.169 I would look around and it'd be like... 1290 01:13:02.252 --> 01:13:03.587 you know, there's a pool 1291 01:13:03.670 --> 01:13:07.257 and there's a propane tank that I got to pay to fill, 1292 01:13:07.341 --> 01:13:08.634 and then there's this huge ramp 1293 01:13:08.717 --> 01:13:10.302 that was starting to fall apart 1294 01:13:10.385 --> 01:13:12.346 that I couldn't afford to fix. 1295 01:13:12.429 --> 01:13:14.181 And that's when reality sunk in. 1296 01:13:17.643 --> 01:13:19.353 I sold the house. 1297 01:13:19.436 --> 01:13:22.773 I had to tear down this monstrous ramp. 1298 01:13:22.856 --> 01:13:25.901 Pulling out screws, pulling off plies, 1299 01:13:25.984 --> 01:13:30.280 cutting chunks out of it and kicking them over the side. 1300 01:13:30.364 --> 01:13:31.907 And to what end? 1301 01:13:34.868 --> 01:13:38.080 You're just dismantling your career until it's gone. 1302 01:13:44.670 --> 01:13:47.047 - How did you handle stress back then? 1303 01:13:48.757 --> 01:13:50.134 - I don't even-- 1304 01:13:50.217 --> 01:13:51.677 how did I handle stress back then? 1305 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:53.887 I think that I would go skate. 1306 01:13:56.348 --> 01:13:57.724 I mean, that was it. 1307 01:13:57.808 --> 01:14:00.185 That's been my-- 1308 01:14:00.269 --> 01:14:02.229 That's been my escape, always. 1309 01:14:02.312 --> 01:14:05.190 But it was meager. 1310 01:14:05.274 --> 01:14:07.025 And it wasn't what it used to be. 1311 01:14:07.109 --> 01:14:08.944 So it was like, 1312 01:14:09.027 --> 01:14:10.320 "Why are you spending all your energy? 1313 01:14:10.404 --> 01:14:11.864 Why are you killing yourself out there?" 1314 01:14:29.548 --> 01:14:31.383 - I hired him to help me with a little video 1315 01:14:31.466 --> 01:14:34.094 for the shop or something that I was trying to do. 1316 01:14:34.178 --> 01:14:36.430 He was, you know, scrambling around, 1317 01:14:36.513 --> 01:14:39.725 but he still pushed himself skating. 1318 01:14:45.314 --> 01:14:50.360 - I never considered quitting skating as an option. 1319 01:14:50.444 --> 01:14:51.904 I was always gonna find time to skate. 1320 01:14:57.326 --> 01:14:58.577 - Yeah! 1321 01:15:06.668 --> 01:15:09.421 I don't think I could estimate how many 540s I've done. 1322 01:15:09.505 --> 01:15:10.923 It's just-- 1323 01:15:11.006 --> 01:15:12.633 - Like, over... 1324 01:15:12.716 --> 01:15:16.511 - 10,000. For sure. I-- 1325 01:15:16.595 --> 01:15:19.765 let's just say, for instance, 300 in a summer. 1326 01:15:22.392 --> 01:15:24.478 - 400, 500 a year. Yeah. 1327 01:15:24.561 --> 01:15:28.190 I mean, I was--like, thousands, tens of thousands. 1328 01:15:28.273 --> 01:15:29.983 When people say you put in your 10,000 hours, 1329 01:15:30.067 --> 01:15:31.735 I put in my 10,000 McTwists. 1330 01:16:08.188 --> 01:16:10.732 I first thought about the possibility of 900s 1331 01:16:10.816 --> 01:16:13.485 after learning 720s in 1985. 1332 01:16:15.320 --> 01:16:16.947 I didn't actually have the nerve to try it 1333 01:16:17.030 --> 01:16:20.158 until 1987 at a skate camp in France. 1334 01:16:22.202 --> 01:16:24.788 I ended up trying it a few times. 1335 01:16:24.871 --> 01:16:28.000 I didn't understand where I was in the air 1336 01:16:28.083 --> 01:16:32.004 and ended up landing on my back twice. 1337 01:16:32.087 --> 01:16:35.966 I wasn't ready to commit to that spin. 1338 01:16:36.049 --> 01:16:37.676 - We had a lot of other skaters 1339 01:16:37.759 --> 01:16:38.969 chasing the 900, 1340 01:16:39.052 --> 01:16:41.388 and just because it had been going on for so long, 1341 01:16:41.471 --> 01:16:42.514 which no other trick had, 1342 01:16:42.597 --> 01:16:45.726 it kind of got some, like, holy grail aspect to it 1343 01:16:45.809 --> 01:16:48.020 that I've never seen any other trick 1344 01:16:48.103 --> 01:16:49.896 treated like that with the skate community. 1345 01:16:54.776 --> 01:16:59.489 It became a trick that a lot of people are trying. 1346 01:16:59.573 --> 01:17:01.241 Everyone kept getting a little close. 1347 01:17:01.325 --> 01:17:02.326 Like, they could spin, 1348 01:17:02.409 --> 01:17:03.827 but then they'd land and keep whipping out. 1349 01:17:03.910 --> 01:17:06.038 There was always-- you would be close enough 1350 01:17:06.121 --> 01:17:07.205 to kind of taste it, 1351 01:17:07.289 --> 01:17:08.999 but there'd be one-- something missing 1352 01:17:09.082 --> 01:17:12.544 that would make it totally almost impossible to land. 1353 01:17:16.131 --> 01:17:19.551 - There were a couple times in my pursuit of doing a 900 1354 01:17:19.634 --> 01:17:23.055 that I really was done with it. 1355 01:17:23.138 --> 01:17:26.224 The first time I tried to really make one, 1356 01:17:26.308 --> 01:17:28.727 I was leaning forward too far, and I broke my rib 1357 01:17:28.810 --> 01:17:31.730 when I--like, I just fell into the flat bottom. 1358 01:17:34.149 --> 01:17:36.860 That was at a time when I wasn't really making 1359 01:17:36.943 --> 01:17:39.071 a good living skating. 1360 01:17:39.154 --> 01:17:41.531 I'll never forget that day, because I was trying it-- 1361 01:17:41.615 --> 01:17:44.910 my son Riley, he was in kindergarten. 1362 01:17:44.993 --> 01:17:47.371 I was late to pick him up to kindergarten 1363 01:17:47.454 --> 01:17:49.581 'cause I was stuck trying this trick on the ramp. 1364 01:17:49.664 --> 01:17:51.666 I broke my rib trying it, 1365 01:17:51.750 --> 01:17:53.627 but I still had to get there to pick him up. 1366 01:17:55.420 --> 01:17:57.714 It was a moment in life where it was like, 1367 01:17:57.798 --> 01:17:59.800 "What am I doing?" 1368 01:18:06.932 --> 01:18:08.725 "I just can't do it." 1369 01:18:17.567 --> 01:18:20.237 - They'd been trying it for so long, right? 1370 01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:23.740 I think it was almost 12 years. 1371 01:18:23.824 --> 01:18:26.076 - You ever not committed to a landing on a trick 1372 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:27.494 before in your life? 1373 01:18:29.413 --> 01:18:32.040 - That's a good question. 1374 01:18:32.124 --> 01:18:36.628 I had never gotten so close to a trick and given up on it. 1375 01:18:36.711 --> 01:18:38.130 Never. 1376 01:18:38.213 --> 01:18:40.298 Someone's got to do this. 1377 01:18:40.382 --> 01:18:42.509 Someone's got to break through this boundary. 1378 01:19:49.201 --> 01:19:50.911 - When he's going after a trick, 1379 01:19:50.994 --> 01:19:52.662 you can watch him get closer and closer, 1380 01:19:52.746 --> 01:19:54.998 'cause he's making little adjustments in his head. 1381 01:20:12.599 --> 01:20:14.267 - When he knows he's getting close, 1382 01:20:14.351 --> 01:20:17.270 he does not give up on a trick unless his body breaks. 1383 01:20:17.354 --> 01:20:20.148 He'll just throw himself and slam, slam, slam, slam. 1384 01:20:26.321 --> 01:20:28.865 - The 900 was a little different, 1385 01:20:28.949 --> 01:20:31.701 'cause that really trashes your body super quick. 1386 01:20:44.506 --> 01:20:45.757 - I still don't get it, man. 1387 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.969 I don't know how Tony can keep spinning it and keep his mind. 1388 01:20:49.052 --> 01:20:52.847 Like, it's got to make you fuckin' freak out. 1389 01:20:52.931 --> 01:20:56.601 Like, a 720. And then the 900? Like, how? 1390 01:20:56.685 --> 01:21:00.146 It's too hard. It's just too much spinning. 1391 01:21:00.230 --> 01:21:04.150 - He tried to do it in a bullring in Tijuana. 1392 01:21:04.234 --> 01:21:06.736 And he had another attempt 1393 01:21:06.820 --> 01:21:09.698 where I thought it was gonna kill him. 1394 01:21:09.781 --> 01:21:12.367 His pursuit of that was personal, 1395 01:21:12.450 --> 01:21:14.369 but it was also at a time when skateboarding 1396 01:21:14.452 --> 01:21:18.081 was just kind of coming back up into being popular again. 1397 01:21:18.164 --> 01:21:19.916 - Well, the X Games gave him 1398 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.502 the biggest platform he's ever had. 1399 01:21:22.586 --> 01:21:24.796 - I heard ESPN was gonna do an event 1400 01:21:24.879 --> 01:21:26.131 and include skateboarding. 1401 01:21:26.214 --> 01:21:29.175 I was like, "Skateboarding is gonna be on ESPN. 1402 01:21:29.259 --> 01:21:30.760 That means something." 1403 01:21:30.844 --> 01:21:32.971 I was hyped, 'cause I had never quit skating vert. 1404 01:21:33.054 --> 01:21:36.224 - The technical difficulty is just immense, 1405 01:21:36.308 --> 01:21:37.809 and this guy pulls it off 1406 01:21:37.893 --> 01:21:39.978 as if he's going for a walk through the park. 1407 01:21:40.061 --> 01:21:42.272 - I was there for the first X Games. 1408 01:21:42.355 --> 01:21:43.732 I was there for "The Tony Hawk Show," 1409 01:21:43.815 --> 01:21:46.568 as all the other skaters called it. 1410 01:21:46.651 --> 01:21:49.321 He won the vert contest. He won the street contest. 1411 01:21:49.404 --> 01:21:50.530 - Tony Hawk. 1412 01:21:50.614 --> 01:21:52.115 - After the first X Games, 1413 01:21:52.198 --> 01:21:54.659 there was a little bit more interest. 1414 01:21:54.743 --> 01:21:56.661 It raised the bar a little bit. 1415 01:21:58.997 --> 01:22:01.124 And then when the second X Games came around, 1416 01:22:01.207 --> 01:22:03.335 that's when you could tell something was happening. 1417 01:22:03.418 --> 01:22:05.170 - Riley Hawk. 1418 01:22:05.253 --> 01:22:08.006 His father has locked up the gold medal. 1419 01:22:13.637 --> 01:22:15.680 - He is going huge. 1420 01:22:17.766 --> 01:22:22.187 Gymnastics has its Nadia, but skateboarding has Hawk. 1421 01:22:22.270 --> 01:22:24.689 - Nobody else skates like Tony Hawk. 1422 01:22:24.773 --> 01:22:26.107 - He is a hero. 1423 01:22:26.191 --> 01:22:27.776 - Tony Hawk, the best skateboarder 1424 01:22:27.859 --> 01:22:29.402 the sport has ever seen. - Tony Hawk. 1425 01:22:29.486 --> 01:22:32.280 That is the best skateboarder in the world. 1426 01:22:40.080 --> 01:22:41.164 - Hi, Dad. 1427 01:22:41.247 --> 01:22:43.166 I know that we don't get to talk too much 1428 01:22:43.249 --> 01:22:44.334 about what you do around here, 1429 01:22:44.417 --> 01:22:46.544 but I just want you to know that I appreciate it, 1430 01:22:46.628 --> 01:22:51.466 and...that we just thought that we'd make a video 1431 01:22:51.549 --> 01:22:54.678 saying thanks for all the great stuff. 1432 01:22:56.346 --> 01:23:00.767 My siblings and my mom and I had steeled ourself, 1433 01:23:00.850 --> 01:23:03.603 ready for him to have a heart attack at any minute, 1434 01:23:03.687 --> 01:23:05.814 because he just didn't take care of himself. 1435 01:23:05.897 --> 01:23:07.816 And it was like, that's what's gonna happen. 1436 01:23:07.899 --> 01:23:12.654 And we all almost were all waiting for that to happen. 1437 01:23:12.737 --> 01:23:14.406 So we all had prepared ourselves for that, 1438 01:23:14.489 --> 01:23:17.033 and then one day, 1439 01:23:17.117 --> 01:23:19.869 he finds out he has lung cancer. 1440 01:23:19.953 --> 01:23:22.706 He was in his final stages, 1441 01:23:22.789 --> 01:23:26.209 super rail thin, stuck in bed. 1442 01:23:26.292 --> 01:23:28.253 I went on this tour in Europe, 1443 01:23:28.336 --> 01:23:31.297 and I just felt weird about being there, 1444 01:23:31.381 --> 01:23:34.426 'cause I knew that he was degrading rapidly, 1445 01:23:34.509 --> 01:23:36.469 so I came home early from the tour. 1446 01:23:36.553 --> 01:23:39.139 And he said, "You have to do your thing. 1447 01:23:39.222 --> 01:23:41.349 You can't just sit here and watch me die." 1448 01:23:41.433 --> 01:23:44.894 For the most part, sent me to Woodward. 1449 01:23:44.978 --> 01:23:47.605 I heard a call over the intercom. 1450 01:23:47.689 --> 01:23:50.567 "Tony Hawk, will you please pick up the phone?" 1451 01:23:51.609 --> 01:23:53.403 When my mom called me at Woodward, 1452 01:23:53.486 --> 01:23:55.405 she just broke down crying and just said, 1453 01:23:55.488 --> 01:23:57.991 "He loved you so much." 1454 01:23:58.074 --> 01:23:59.325 And that was the first time 1455 01:23:59.409 --> 01:24:02.579 she really got emotional about my dad. 1456 01:24:42.035 --> 01:24:43.620 - It's a very unique sport. 1457 01:24:43.703 --> 01:24:45.330 It's the only sport in the world I know 1458 01:24:45.413 --> 01:24:47.624 where competitors-- I've watched 'em in the middle 1459 01:24:47.707 --> 01:24:50.043 of heavy competition encouraging each other. 1460 01:24:52.587 --> 01:24:54.798 And earnestly encouraging each other. 1461 01:24:54.881 --> 01:24:57.175 Not many competitions do that. 1462 01:24:57.258 --> 01:24:58.968 - So you think it's a good sport? 1463 01:24:59.052 --> 01:25:01.012 - Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. 1464 01:25:01.095 --> 01:25:03.181 And I'd like to see it continue as a sport. 1465 01:25:06.267 --> 01:25:07.560 - I can guarantee you 1466 01:25:07.644 --> 01:25:09.813 that every single one of those skateboarders today 1467 01:25:09.896 --> 01:25:11.356 would look back on him fondly. 1468 01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:13.191 Guarantee it. 1469 01:25:13.274 --> 01:25:14.859 I guarantee it. 1470 01:25:16.361 --> 01:25:17.862 - His dad was like a second dad to me. 1471 01:25:17.946 --> 01:25:21.324 Like, he was just an amazing person. 1472 01:25:21.407 --> 01:25:24.702 - I could only imagine, you know, my family 1473 01:25:24.786 --> 01:25:26.704 doing what his family did for him, you know? 1474 01:25:26.788 --> 01:25:28.790 Like, I would dream about that. 1475 01:25:28.873 --> 01:25:30.416 Like, "Wow, what would that be like? 1476 01:25:30.500 --> 01:25:32.252 Nah, my dad would never do that." 1477 01:25:36.965 --> 01:25:41.177 - Tony had me do something right when his dad died, 1478 01:25:41.261 --> 01:25:44.055 and I was talking shit at that thing. 1479 01:25:44.138 --> 01:25:49.227 I think I said something real stupid in an interview. 1480 01:25:49.310 --> 01:25:52.647 "Glad he's gone," or something fucked up. 1481 01:25:52.730 --> 01:25:55.733 X Games, he's up there riding. 1482 01:25:55.817 --> 01:25:58.361 My son just died ten days ago. 1483 01:25:58.444 --> 01:25:59.696 He's got me. 1484 01:25:59.779 --> 01:26:01.656 So I get up there and I'm like-- 1485 01:26:01.739 --> 01:26:03.741 and the first thing I said was, 1486 01:26:03.825 --> 01:26:05.326 "Got me now, motherfucker. 1487 01:26:05.410 --> 01:26:06.828 What are you gonna say?" 1488 01:26:06.911 --> 01:26:11.749 And then he goes, "Duane, I'm super sorry about Chess." 1489 01:26:11.833 --> 01:26:14.210 I fucking--I mean... 1490 01:26:17.213 --> 01:26:18.756 And he goes, "You got a minute?" 1491 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:20.633 'Cause cameras are on this guy 1492 01:26:20.717 --> 01:26:22.802 every-fucking-where he goes. 1493 01:26:22.886 --> 01:26:26.097 So it's like, we go down to some, like, area 1494 01:26:26.180 --> 01:26:28.975 and fucking away from-- and just total 1495 01:26:29.058 --> 01:26:32.979 personal fucking cool-- like, what the fuck? 1496 01:26:33.062 --> 01:26:35.607 What a cool--I didn't-- you know, 1497 01:26:35.690 --> 01:26:37.066 I didn't expect that. 1498 01:26:37.150 --> 01:26:38.568 That was nice. 1499 01:26:38.651 --> 01:26:40.570 And I was really blown away. 1500 01:26:40.653 --> 01:26:42.864 Like, my kid fucking looked up to him, 1501 01:26:42.947 --> 01:26:45.825 and I let him know that. 1502 01:26:45.909 --> 01:26:48.995 You know? "He looked up to you, man." 1503 01:26:51.164 --> 01:26:53.708 So I look at things 1504 01:26:53.791 --> 01:26:56.294 totally fucking different, you know? 1505 01:26:56.377 --> 01:26:58.755 And... 1506 01:26:58.838 --> 01:27:02.508 you know... 1507 01:27:02.592 --> 01:27:06.512 when his--his dad died 1508 01:27:06.596 --> 01:27:08.723 and I said that in the-- 1509 01:27:11.893 --> 01:27:14.270 'Cause it was just me and him. 1510 01:27:14.354 --> 01:27:16.898 And, you know, that's how life works. 1511 01:27:16.981 --> 01:27:19.025 It's a fucking weird game. 1512 01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:23.446 And all that baton twirling shit, 1513 01:27:23.529 --> 01:27:26.324 he fucking stepped it up for all of us. 1514 01:27:26.407 --> 01:27:27.575 All that fucking shit-- 1515 01:27:27.659 --> 01:27:30.620 you know how much time it takes to learn tricks like that? 1516 01:27:33.164 --> 01:27:34.832 - Okay, everybody. 1517 01:27:34.916 --> 01:27:37.335 We want to hear everybody in the house right now. 1518 01:27:37.418 --> 01:27:38.670 Boys, girls, 1519 01:27:38.753 --> 01:27:40.463 ladies, and gentlemen, 1520 01:27:40.546 --> 01:27:41.673 wrapping up 1521 01:27:41.756 --> 01:27:42.674 our Best Tricks contest. 1522 01:27:42.757 --> 01:27:43.675 But don't forget, 1523 01:27:43.758 --> 01:27:45.134 you're gonna pick the winner. 1524 01:27:45.218 --> 01:27:47.512 Right now, Tony's got a shot at it. 1525 01:27:47.595 --> 01:27:49.973 Can he do it? Let's see it. 1526 01:27:52.809 --> 01:27:54.477 - Yeah. 1527 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:58.314 900, try not to--look at him focused out here. 1528 01:27:58.398 --> 01:28:01.526 - We love you, crowd! We love you! 1529 01:28:01.609 --> 01:28:03.611 - Yeah. Keep it up. Keep it up. 1530 01:28:03.695 --> 01:28:06.364 900! 900! 1531 01:28:06.447 --> 01:28:08.116 This could be it. 1532 01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:09.450 Oh! 1533 01:28:09.534 --> 01:28:12.203 - Oh, the closest one! 1534 01:28:12.286 --> 01:28:14.539 - There was always one or two really small things 1535 01:28:14.622 --> 01:28:17.041 that made the 9 almost impossible to land. 1536 01:28:17.125 --> 01:28:19.711 And I think one of those things clicked there, 1537 01:28:19.794 --> 01:28:22.422 and he went, "I'm--I actually felt better 1538 01:28:22.505 --> 01:28:24.048 "than I've ever felt spinning that 9, 1539 01:28:24.132 --> 01:28:26.009 so I'm not gonna stop." 1540 01:28:26.092 --> 01:28:27.969 - You guys, you guys want to see one more? 1541 01:28:28.052 --> 01:28:29.721 Tony Hawk coming close. 1542 01:28:29.804 --> 01:28:30.888 - Here we go, folks. 1543 01:28:30.972 --> 01:28:33.057 - History in the making. 1544 01:28:33.141 --> 01:28:35.351 Who wouldn't want to be right here? 1545 01:28:35.435 --> 01:28:36.978 Making history. 1546 01:28:37.061 --> 01:28:40.064 Never, ever been done before on the skateboard. 1547 01:28:40.148 --> 01:28:42.191 He's coming close. 1548 01:28:42.275 --> 01:28:44.318 Yeah, here we go. 900! 1549 01:28:44.402 --> 01:28:46.404 900! 1550 01:28:49.282 --> 01:28:52.869 Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho! 1551 01:28:52.952 --> 01:28:56.080 - Oh, baby! 1552 01:28:56.164 --> 01:28:57.665 All right, stomp your feet! 1553 01:29:33.201 --> 01:29:35.620 - You saw him going inward more and more and more 1554 01:29:35.703 --> 01:29:38.122 each and every time, and you knew--or I knew, 1555 01:29:38.206 --> 01:29:42.001 watching, like, he really isn't gonna stop. 1556 01:29:42.085 --> 01:29:44.170 And I had been there when he'd only stopped before 1557 01:29:44.253 --> 01:29:46.297 'cause he broke a rib. 1558 01:29:46.380 --> 01:29:49.634 - He just said, "I'm either gonna make this trick, 1559 01:29:49.717 --> 01:29:52.303 "or someone's gonna take me off in a stretcher. 1560 01:29:52.386 --> 01:29:53.763 That's how it's gonna go." 1561 01:30:00.728 --> 01:30:03.648 all: Tony! Tony! Tony! 1562 01:30:27.380 --> 01:30:30.883 all: Tony! Tony! Tony! Tony! 1563 01:30:33.594 --> 01:30:35.054 - It was almost as if his mind was going... 1564 01:30:38.724 --> 01:30:40.685 You know, squishing down further and further. 1565 01:30:40.768 --> 01:30:43.229 And you can just see... 1566 01:30:43.312 --> 01:30:46.107 how much intensity it took from him. 1567 01:30:48.276 --> 01:30:50.987 - 9! 9! 9! 9! 1568 01:30:51.070 --> 01:30:53.364 9! 9! 1569 01:30:53.447 --> 01:30:55.867 There it is! 1570 01:31:02.957 --> 01:31:04.375 - This is important to this guy. 1571 01:31:04.458 --> 01:31:06.669 He's focused. He is prepped. 1572 01:31:06.752 --> 01:31:08.254 This is history in the making. 1573 01:31:14.510 --> 01:31:16.679 9! 9! Tony Hawk! 1574 01:31:16.762 --> 01:31:20.516 Tony Hawk! Tony! Tony! Tony! 1575 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:22.518 900! 1576 01:31:22.602 --> 01:31:25.897 900! 1577 01:31:25.980 --> 01:31:29.442 Oh! So close. 1578 01:31:29.525 --> 01:31:32.945 The closest I've ever seen anyone before. 1579 01:31:34.614 --> 01:31:40.036 Ooh, what is going on in 1999 in vertical skateboard history? 1580 01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:42.747 - We got Andy. 1581 01:31:42.830 --> 01:31:44.707 - All this energy. These guys are going on. 1582 01:31:50.713 --> 01:31:52.465 Everybody picture it. Here we go. 1583 01:32:01.224 --> 01:32:04.435 - Yeah! - Oh! 1584 01:32:04.518 --> 01:32:06.687 Are you kidding me? 1585 01:32:06.771 --> 01:32:09.607 Yeah! Look at this! 1586 01:32:09.690 --> 01:32:12.985 Tony Hawk, everybody! 1587 01:32:13.069 --> 01:32:14.737 Yeah! Look at this! 1588 01:32:53.276 --> 01:32:55.027 - I've never seen Tony 1589 01:32:55.111 --> 01:32:58.614 explosively emotional like that. 1590 01:32:58.698 --> 01:33:01.450 Says a lot about that sense 1591 01:33:01.534 --> 01:33:04.120 of what he found out about himself 1592 01:33:04.203 --> 01:33:06.205 by making himself do that trick. 1593 01:33:07.373 --> 01:33:10.501 - It had nothing to do with the physical motions 1594 01:33:10.585 --> 01:33:11.502 of that trick. 1595 01:33:11.585 --> 01:33:13.546 It was all here. 1596 01:33:17.216 --> 01:33:19.844 - It's just a trick. 1597 01:33:19.927 --> 01:33:22.888 But to me, the ones that make the most difference 1598 01:33:22.972 --> 01:33:25.516 in who I am as a man, 1599 01:33:25.599 --> 01:33:28.060 as a person... 1600 01:33:28.144 --> 01:33:29.812 is when you've redlined it so much 1601 01:33:29.895 --> 01:33:32.148 that you did something that you didn't know 1602 01:33:32.231 --> 01:33:34.150 if you had it in you to do it. 1603 01:33:34.233 --> 01:33:37.403 That's a different kind of proving ground. 1604 01:33:38.988 --> 01:33:41.198 That shifts something within you. 1605 01:33:46.996 --> 01:33:51.250 - I could feel the thrill that I got 1606 01:33:51.334 --> 01:33:53.544 from anything I've done through him. 1607 01:33:53.627 --> 01:33:55.212 It was huge. 1608 01:33:55.296 --> 01:33:59.884 Like, I was so excited to see him do that. 1609 01:33:59.967 --> 01:34:02.970 So excited and happy for him. 1610 01:34:03.054 --> 01:34:05.222 You know, I just knew what was going on. 1611 01:34:05.306 --> 01:34:09.060 Like, I've never reached that, 1612 01:34:09.143 --> 01:34:10.770 because I'll never do a 900. 1613 01:34:10.853 --> 01:34:12.271 But I've reached it in other things. 1614 01:34:12.355 --> 01:34:15.191 And just the feel of that and the win of that 1615 01:34:15.274 --> 01:34:17.693 and the--it's just rad. 1616 01:34:17.777 --> 01:34:18.861 It's huge. 1617 01:34:18.944 --> 01:34:21.405 It's so--it's killer. It's so good. 1618 01:34:23.616 --> 01:34:26.327 - Sean Mortimer called me up, like, two minutes 1619 01:34:26.410 --> 01:34:28.662 after he landed it from the ramp and said, 1620 01:34:28.746 --> 01:34:31.040 "Your brother just landed a 9! 1621 01:34:31.123 --> 01:34:34.043 It's like a war ended!" 1622 01:34:37.213 --> 01:34:38.881 The thing I love about the 900 1623 01:34:38.964 --> 01:34:41.675 that doesn't get talked about much was that... 1624 01:34:41.759 --> 01:34:44.220 that moment is kind of in sports history, 1625 01:34:44.303 --> 01:34:46.263 which really was a moment in sports history, 1626 01:34:46.347 --> 01:34:48.474 could only have happened in skateboarding, 1627 01:34:48.557 --> 01:34:51.894 because any other sport, 1628 01:34:51.977 --> 01:34:54.105 the clock ran out. 1629 01:34:54.188 --> 01:34:55.439 It was done. 1630 01:34:55.523 --> 01:34:56.899 Like, that wouldn't have happened 1631 01:34:56.982 --> 01:34:58.651 if they'd had skateboarding in the Olympics, 1632 01:34:58.734 --> 01:35:00.277 'cause you know, once the clock ran out, 1633 01:35:00.361 --> 01:35:03.239 they would have run up and chained up the ramp 1634 01:35:03.322 --> 01:35:05.491 and said, "Okay, we're done." But the-- 1635 01:35:05.574 --> 01:35:08.077 - The irony is, if your dad was running the-- 1636 01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:09.370 - Oh, my God. 1637 01:35:09.453 --> 01:35:10.621 You know, that just occurred to me. 1638 01:35:10.704 --> 01:35:11.997 If my dad had been running the show, 1639 01:35:12.081 --> 01:35:13.916 it wouldn't have happened. 1640 01:35:13.999 --> 01:35:16.961 Fuck. That just occurred to me. 1641 01:35:19.088 --> 01:35:22.466 - I wish my dad had been able to see the recognition 1642 01:35:22.550 --> 01:35:24.260 and the appreciation that skateboarding got 1643 01:35:24.343 --> 01:35:26.470 after '99, 2000. 1644 01:35:26.554 --> 01:35:28.639 Even in his wildest dreams, 1645 01:35:28.722 --> 01:35:31.642 he thought that skateboard contests would be bigger, 1646 01:35:31.725 --> 01:35:34.353 but he would have never imagined 1647 01:35:34.437 --> 01:35:36.605 that it blew up the way it did. 1648 01:35:38.107 --> 01:35:40.317 - Las Vegas, put your hands together 1649 01:35:40.401 --> 01:35:43.320 for the Boom Boom HuckJam! 1650 01:35:57.877 --> 01:36:00.546 - Whoo-hoo! 1651 01:36:09.472 --> 01:36:12.266 - Suddenly, we were rock stars again, 1652 01:36:12.349 --> 01:36:15.186 but on a completely different level. 1653 01:36:16.437 --> 01:36:21.066 Performing in arenas, selling out night after night. 1654 01:36:21.150 --> 01:36:22.651 We had a setup that filled an arena floor. 1655 01:36:22.735 --> 01:36:24.820 We were way bigger than a rock tour. 1656 01:36:24.904 --> 01:36:26.489 We filled the entire arena floor 1657 01:36:26.572 --> 01:36:29.283 with ramps and lights, pyrotechnics. 1658 01:36:32.286 --> 01:36:34.038 - It was high-pressure skateboarding. 1659 01:36:34.121 --> 01:36:35.956 It was like, you have to make this trick, 1660 01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:37.625 or a motorcycle could land on you. 1661 01:36:41.128 --> 01:36:43.589 - I can remember watching the Boom Boom HuckJam, 1662 01:36:43.672 --> 01:36:47.593 and other ladies my age were-- just couldn't watch. 1663 01:36:47.676 --> 01:36:49.011 Their hands were over their face, 1664 01:36:49.094 --> 01:36:51.096 and they were just terrified. 1665 01:36:56.852 --> 01:36:58.229 - Every night was a new city. 1666 01:36:58.312 --> 01:37:01.565 They would put a piece of tape on the deck of the ramp. 1667 01:37:01.649 --> 01:37:03.025 When they handed you the microphone, 1668 01:37:03.108 --> 01:37:04.652 you could glance down at that tape 1669 01:37:04.735 --> 01:37:06.529 so you didn't go... 1670 01:37:06.612 --> 01:37:09.156 "Thank you, Philadelphia," and you're really in Chicago. 1671 01:37:10.950 --> 01:37:12.117 - Living in the lap of luxury. 1672 01:37:12.201 --> 01:37:15.079 Like, people were providing for us at every turn. 1673 01:37:17.289 --> 01:37:20.292 Flying in and out of the tour on Tony's private jet, 1674 01:37:20.376 --> 01:37:22.253 staying in these great hotels. 1675 01:37:24.004 --> 01:37:26.173 - It's all younger dudes, mostly single. 1676 01:37:26.257 --> 01:37:29.093 And it was just like, the world is yours. 1677 01:37:29.176 --> 01:37:30.970 You guys are, you know, Led Zeppelin tonight. 1678 01:37:35.349 --> 01:37:37.434 - "Come on, Tony, let's go! We got this club downtown." 1679 01:37:37.518 --> 01:37:40.062 Like, the tour manager would call ahead and be like, 1680 01:37:40.145 --> 01:37:43.399 "Hey, we got Tony Hawk coming. Make sure the door's open." 1681 01:37:51.323 --> 01:37:53.117 - There's a part of that where it's like, 1682 01:37:53.200 --> 01:37:56.245 "Okay, so now what? So now you're a rock star? 1683 01:37:56.328 --> 01:37:59.290 So now you have all this excess?" 1684 01:38:04.795 --> 01:38:07.798 - You know, Activision came to him to do the video game, 1685 01:38:07.881 --> 01:38:09.258 and it was the best company, 1686 01:38:09.341 --> 01:38:10.634 and they had the best developer, 1687 01:38:10.718 --> 01:38:13.137 and, you know, he was hands-on. 1688 01:38:18.100 --> 01:38:20.311 - They developed this game that he never thought 1689 01:38:20.394 --> 01:38:24.064 was gonna be particularly popular amongst everybody. 1690 01:38:24.148 --> 01:38:26.609 He thought skaters would like it. 1691 01:38:26.692 --> 01:38:28.611 - When the fourth game was released, 1692 01:38:28.694 --> 01:38:30.863 the first three were still in the top ten of sales. 1693 01:38:30.946 --> 01:38:33.490 And Activision called a meeting with me. 1694 01:38:33.574 --> 01:38:35.492 I went and met one of the guys I worked with. 1695 01:38:35.576 --> 01:38:37.494 I met him for lunch, and he said-- 1696 01:38:37.578 --> 01:38:38.996 he explained to me what was happening. 1697 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:40.623 He's like, "Well, this is in the top sales, 1698 01:38:40.706 --> 01:38:41.790 and now it's a best hit." 1699 01:38:41.874 --> 01:38:42.791 I go, "What does that mean?" 1700 01:38:42.875 --> 01:38:44.168 He goes, "This is what it means," 1701 01:38:44.251 --> 01:38:47.504 and he hands me a check for $4.5 million. 1702 01:38:47.588 --> 01:38:50.674 And I was like, "Oh, my God." 1703 01:38:50.758 --> 01:38:52.343 And then two years later, 1704 01:38:52.426 --> 01:38:54.553 they gave me an advance of $20 million. 1705 01:38:54.637 --> 01:38:57.765 - Tony was getting recognized everywhere. 1706 01:38:57.848 --> 01:39:00.184 He was the face of skateboarding. 1707 01:39:00.267 --> 01:39:02.895 - I never got into skateboarding to be famous. 1708 01:39:02.978 --> 01:39:04.855 I never thought I'd be famous. 1709 01:39:04.938 --> 01:39:06.899 And then I was famous, and I was like, 1710 01:39:06.982 --> 01:39:08.817 "Well, I'm famous now. 1711 01:39:08.901 --> 01:39:12.154 I guess I'm supposed to do all this stuff." 1712 01:39:12.237 --> 01:39:15.407 But it's the worst drug. 1713 01:39:15.491 --> 01:39:16.533 It's the worst drug. 1714 01:39:16.617 --> 01:39:17.618 - You got to let him go. 1715 01:39:17.701 --> 01:39:18.911 Come on, let him go through. 1716 01:39:18.994 --> 01:39:20.204 - And it's so easy to fall into. 1717 01:39:20.287 --> 01:39:21.997 It's crazy. 1718 01:39:22.081 --> 01:39:23.666 There was infidelity, 1719 01:39:23.749 --> 01:39:27.419 lying to myself about justification, 1720 01:39:27.503 --> 01:39:29.380 you know, not being honest with others, 1721 01:39:29.463 --> 01:39:31.423 not being honest with myself. 1722 01:39:31.507 --> 01:39:33.133 A lot of other things 1723 01:39:33.217 --> 01:39:34.843 that should have taken priority in my life, 1724 01:39:34.927 --> 01:39:37.930 especially my kids, fell by the wayside. 1725 01:39:38.013 --> 01:39:40.516 I had issues with intimacy already, 1726 01:39:40.599 --> 01:39:44.144 and then I'm in this crazy scenario. 1727 01:39:44.228 --> 01:39:45.521 I didn't like myself. 1728 01:39:45.604 --> 01:39:48.023 I didn't like the choices I was making. 1729 01:39:48.107 --> 01:39:51.360 And that started to spiral worse and worse. 1730 01:39:51.443 --> 01:39:52.653 I'm gonna distract over here. 1731 01:39:52.736 --> 01:39:54.029 I'm gonna anesthetize with this. 1732 01:39:54.113 --> 01:39:56.573 And it was just like, "What's wrong with you? 1733 01:39:56.657 --> 01:39:58.534 Why can't you just be content?" 1734 01:40:02.037 --> 01:40:03.956 People aren't even happy at home to see me. 1735 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:06.542 Everyone's happy to see me out on the road. 1736 01:40:06.625 --> 01:40:09.378 They welcome me. 1737 01:40:09.461 --> 01:40:10.421 "New York Times" wants to talk to me. 1738 01:40:10.504 --> 01:40:11.422 I gotta go do that. 1739 01:40:11.505 --> 01:40:13.924 I gotta fly here for this charity event, 1740 01:40:14.007 --> 01:40:15.259 'cause they invited me. 1741 01:40:15.342 --> 01:40:16.719 There's a movie premiere. They want me. 1742 01:40:16.802 --> 01:40:18.095 I gotta be on the red carpet. 1743 01:40:18.178 --> 01:40:19.596 Well, of course I gotta go to-- 1744 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:23.767 I gotta go to Monaco for the "Sports Awards"... 1745 01:40:23.851 --> 01:40:25.936 that I'm not even nominated for. 1746 01:40:26.019 --> 01:40:31.066 And then I'd be there and at some point back alone 1747 01:40:31.150 --> 01:40:34.695 and just thinking, "Why aren't you just home?" 1748 01:40:40.826 --> 01:40:43.787 - The whole concept of, like, yeah, people asking me, like, 1749 01:40:43.871 --> 01:40:46.248 "What's it like to have your dad be Tony Hawk?" 1750 01:40:46.331 --> 01:40:47.541 It's like, it's the only thing I know, 1751 01:40:47.624 --> 01:40:49.918 so I don't know what it's not like. 1752 01:40:51.754 --> 01:40:54.798 - Riley was with me through all of my relationships 1753 01:40:54.882 --> 01:40:58.510 and challenges and turmoil. 1754 01:40:58.594 --> 01:41:00.763 Riley had a rough upbringing 1755 01:41:00.846 --> 01:41:04.433 with a lot of different co-parents 1756 01:41:04.516 --> 01:41:06.477 and half siblings. 1757 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.979 And he just went along with it, 1758 01:41:09.062 --> 01:41:11.440 'cause he didn't--obviously, he didn't have a choice. 1759 01:41:11.523 --> 01:41:13.275 - It definitely was tricky being the oldest 1760 01:41:13.358 --> 01:41:15.486 of two families 1761 01:41:15.569 --> 01:41:17.154 and two separate sets of siblings, 1762 01:41:17.237 --> 01:41:18.906 because you're just kind of, like-- 1763 01:41:18.989 --> 01:41:21.867 I was the only one doing this. 1764 01:41:23.368 --> 01:41:25.078 - We were on tour once, 1765 01:41:25.162 --> 01:41:27.790 and I should have really just enjoyed that aspect. 1766 01:41:27.873 --> 01:41:29.958 Like, "Oh, Riley's here on tour." 1767 01:41:30.042 --> 01:41:31.293 And I remember him looking at me like, 1768 01:41:31.376 --> 01:41:34.713 "Are you gonna go out again tonight?" 1769 01:41:34.797 --> 01:41:36.381 And I was thinking, like, "Aw, well, 1770 01:41:36.465 --> 01:41:38.050 you're just gonna fall asleep. It's okay." 1771 01:41:38.133 --> 01:41:39.468 Like, "Someone will be in the room with you. 1772 01:41:39.551 --> 01:41:40.844 It'll be all right." 1773 01:41:40.928 --> 01:41:43.180 And, like, I think back to those times, like, 1774 01:41:43.263 --> 01:41:45.057 "You should have taken that as a sign." 1775 01:41:47.476 --> 01:41:50.354 My other kids, they only saw one relationship 1776 01:41:50.437 --> 01:41:51.688 or two relationships. 1777 01:41:51.772 --> 01:41:53.982 And they're like, "Oh, this is your pattern. 1778 01:41:54.066 --> 01:41:55.901 This is what you do." 1779 01:41:55.984 --> 01:41:57.861 I didn't know how to live in my own skin. 1780 01:41:57.945 --> 01:42:01.698 I didn't know how to-- how to like myself. 1781 01:42:01.782 --> 01:42:04.743 And I didn't know how to... 1782 01:42:04.827 --> 01:42:08.539 be a husband or a father 1783 01:42:08.622 --> 01:42:10.874 that I would be proud of. 1784 01:42:16.672 --> 01:42:18.006 Chef has arrived. 1785 01:42:22.636 --> 01:42:26.515 So scary that you cut towards your fingers. 1786 01:42:26.598 --> 01:42:28.016 - No. 1787 01:42:28.100 --> 01:42:31.645 - It's scary to me as the adult figure 1788 01:42:31.728 --> 01:42:32.896 and the one that's supposed to be responsible 1789 01:42:32.980 --> 01:42:34.022 for your safety. 1790 01:42:34.106 --> 01:42:36.191 That frightens me. - This frightens you? 1791 01:42:36.275 --> 01:42:37.526 - Yes. 1792 01:42:41.780 --> 01:42:43.365 - No, but come down here. 1793 01:42:43.448 --> 01:42:45.659 - Are you guys pretending like you guys cook? 1794 01:42:45.742 --> 01:42:48.704 - Oh! - He took the trash out, too. 1795 01:42:48.787 --> 01:42:51.206 And he went to the grocery store. 1796 01:42:51.290 --> 01:42:52.875 - I am a hunter and gatherer. 1797 01:42:52.958 --> 01:42:55.794 I hunt and gather income by riding a skateboard. 1798 01:42:57.838 --> 01:42:58.881 - When I met Tony, 1799 01:42:58.964 --> 01:43:00.924 there was just something very comfortable 1800 01:43:01.008 --> 01:43:02.467 about being around him. 1801 01:43:02.551 --> 01:43:04.177 Like, kind of like when you meet somebody 1802 01:43:04.261 --> 01:43:08.140 that you feel like you've known kind of feeling. 1803 01:43:08.223 --> 01:43:10.475 You're just the worst. He's the worst. 1804 01:43:10.559 --> 01:43:12.144 - Oh, my God, he just-- - He's the worst. 1805 01:43:12.227 --> 01:43:14.187 - He's the worst. 1806 01:43:14.271 --> 01:43:16.732 - When Cathy and I found 1807 01:43:16.815 --> 01:43:19.318 that there could be this chance of romance, 1808 01:43:19.401 --> 01:43:24.156 I knew deep down I had not figured out my life. 1809 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.241 Like, I had not figured out how to function 1810 01:43:26.325 --> 01:43:28.118 in a committed relationship, 1811 01:43:28.201 --> 01:43:30.454 and I carried all this baggage. 1812 01:43:30.537 --> 01:43:34.124 And I didn't think she knew the depths of it. 1813 01:43:34.207 --> 01:43:36.877 - He didn't know how to... 1814 01:43:38.378 --> 01:43:41.214 Express his real, true feelings. 1815 01:43:42.549 --> 01:43:46.553 There's just some holes there that he filled 1816 01:43:46.637 --> 01:43:48.138 with skateboarding. 1817 01:43:48.221 --> 01:43:50.515 And skateboarding fed so much 1818 01:43:50.599 --> 01:43:53.060 of what he was lacking 1819 01:43:53.143 --> 01:43:54.811 that I don't know if he developed 1820 01:43:54.895 --> 01:43:57.147 how to get those things other ways. 1821 01:43:57.230 --> 01:44:00.734 Even the relationship with his parents was around skating. 1822 01:44:00.817 --> 01:44:04.613 Everything was around skating. 1823 01:44:04.696 --> 01:44:06.490 - I had to go make a change. Like, I just knew it. 1824 01:44:06.573 --> 01:44:08.659 I knew I wasn't capable of doing it myself. 1825 01:44:10.786 --> 01:44:12.245 Checked into a place. 1826 01:44:12.329 --> 01:44:14.915 And...it was hard. 1827 01:44:14.998 --> 01:44:16.250 It was super hard. 1828 01:44:18.168 --> 01:44:19.962 And where do you even start? 1829 01:44:22.089 --> 01:44:23.840 There's a skate park downtown. 1830 01:44:23.924 --> 01:44:28.053 I was at that skate park at00 a.m. every single day. 1831 01:44:28.929 --> 01:44:31.181 I made a special request to be able to do that. 1832 01:44:32.599 --> 01:44:35.268 There was ice on the ground. 1833 01:44:35.352 --> 01:44:38.146 There was snow covering the coping sometimes. 1834 01:44:38.230 --> 01:44:40.816 I would go out there in snow gloves 1835 01:44:40.899 --> 01:44:43.694 and session for at least an hour by myself. 1836 01:44:47.906 --> 01:44:50.659 What I realized is that I've had 1837 01:44:50.742 --> 01:44:55.080 the most intense discipline in my life with skating. 1838 01:44:55.163 --> 01:44:59.418 If I can--if I can focus that discipline on my life... 1839 01:45:01.128 --> 01:45:03.714 I must have it in there. I must be able to do that. 1840 01:45:03.797 --> 01:45:06.383 - He said, "I know I can do this, 1841 01:45:06.466 --> 01:45:08.427 "because these are the qualities I have. 1842 01:45:08.510 --> 01:45:12.097 "I am determined, I'm disciplined, 1843 01:45:12.180 --> 01:45:14.891 and I know I can make all these changes in myself." 1844 01:45:14.975 --> 01:45:18.061 Because he has the example of doing it in skating. 1845 01:45:18.145 --> 01:45:20.188 - I knew that 1846 01:45:20.272 --> 01:45:24.234 I was going to do everything necessary 1847 01:45:24.317 --> 01:45:27.529 and stick with it and lean into it 1848 01:45:27.612 --> 01:45:30.532 and wrote this ugly list of things I wasn't proud of, 1849 01:45:30.615 --> 01:45:32.701 and... 1850 01:45:32.784 --> 01:45:34.161 that probably was the moment 1851 01:45:34.244 --> 01:45:38.707 where I was most in shock and just was like, 1852 01:45:38.790 --> 01:45:40.709 "This is the end of that." 1853 01:45:42.252 --> 01:45:45.756 I released this baggage, 1854 01:45:45.839 --> 01:45:49.760 and I felt like I finally have a foundation 1855 01:45:49.843 --> 01:45:54.431 to fill up with a positive way of living. 1856 01:45:54.514 --> 01:45:58.727 Me coming to terms with it was balling up this list 1857 01:45:58.810 --> 01:46:00.020 and throwing it in the fire. 1858 01:46:03.899 --> 01:46:06.234 - Do you need any help? - Yes. 1859 01:46:07.736 --> 01:46:09.071 Can you help me get youth? 1860 01:46:09.154 --> 01:46:10.739 - No. - Why not? 1861 01:46:10.822 --> 01:46:12.240 You have so much of it. 1862 01:46:12.324 --> 01:46:14.910 - He's probably at the point in his life 1863 01:46:14.993 --> 01:46:18.121 where he's probably happiest with himself 1864 01:46:18.205 --> 01:46:19.581 and happiest in his relationship. 1865 01:46:19.664 --> 01:46:21.625 And I think, ultimately, that has the biggest effect 1866 01:46:21.708 --> 01:46:23.460 on your relationship to your children. 1867 01:46:23.543 --> 01:46:27.005 And so I'm happy that he was able to get to that point. 1868 01:46:27.089 --> 01:46:30.008 And now he has Kady that he can, 1869 01:46:30.092 --> 01:46:32.135 you know, be that parent to. 1870 01:46:32.219 --> 01:46:35.013 And I think he's the best form of himself now. 1871 01:46:36.181 --> 01:46:37.349 - Can you stand up? 1872 01:46:39.059 --> 01:46:40.143 - Oh, my God. 1873 01:46:41.728 --> 01:46:43.563 - Oh, you did it! 1874 01:46:43.647 --> 01:46:44.940 That's the first time I've seen you do it. 1875 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:51.279 - Rodney Mullen goes to his warehouse 1876 01:46:51.363 --> 01:46:52.864 and skates every night. 1877 01:46:52.948 --> 01:46:55.700 Lance is still waking up every day and skating. 1878 01:46:55.784 --> 01:46:58.120 Steve Caballero's still considering himself 1879 01:46:58.203 --> 01:46:59.496 a pro skater. 1880 01:46:59.579 --> 01:47:01.456 Mike McGill still skates, and obviously, 1881 01:47:01.540 --> 01:47:05.210 Tony is skating all the time at the highest level. 1882 01:47:05.293 --> 01:47:07.504 - There's a difference, though, in some of those guys. 1883 01:47:07.587 --> 01:47:08.922 Rodney Mullen... 1884 01:47:10.590 --> 01:47:12.342 Skateboarding for him, I think, 1885 01:47:12.425 --> 01:47:15.804 is really an art form that he just has to practice 1886 01:47:15.887 --> 01:47:18.723 like a Buddhist monk meditates. 1887 01:47:18.807 --> 01:47:20.225 Caballero has his artwork. 1888 01:47:20.308 --> 01:47:22.561 Mike McGill-- I think that Mike has a real 1889 01:47:22.644 --> 01:47:24.396 healthy relationship with his skateboarding. 1890 01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:26.898 I think he realizes his better days are behind him. 1891 01:47:26.982 --> 01:47:28.066 He's fine with that. 1892 01:47:28.150 --> 01:47:31.695 I think Lance still feels 1893 01:47:31.778 --> 01:47:33.947 he's got to prove himself in backyard pools. 1894 01:47:34.030 --> 01:47:37.492 So Lance and Tony-- 1895 01:47:37.576 --> 01:47:38.910 They're in a different place. 1896 01:47:40.203 --> 01:47:42.873 - We're gonna go over to Bob Burnquist's house, 1897 01:47:42.956 --> 01:47:44.708 compound, ramp. 1898 01:47:44.791 --> 01:47:46.710 I'd like to do a 360 over the gap. 1899 01:47:46.793 --> 01:47:48.253 And then if I make that, 1900 01:47:48.336 --> 01:47:49.754 I gotta do something on the quarter pipe. 1901 01:47:49.838 --> 01:47:51.965 But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. 1902 01:47:53.466 --> 01:47:55.218 Here we are at Bob's. 1903 01:47:55.302 --> 01:47:56.720 - This looks a little crazy. - There it is. 1904 01:47:56.803 --> 01:47:57.762 - It's a little crazy-looking. 1905 01:48:25.749 --> 01:48:26.917 - Whoo! 1906 01:48:28.501 --> 01:48:30.253 - I've seen him get way more hurt 1907 01:48:30.337 --> 01:48:32.380 and try way more gnarly things now 1908 01:48:32.464 --> 01:48:34.966 than he ever did back when he was a kid. 1909 01:48:37.385 --> 01:48:38.720 - Yeah! 1910 01:48:38.803 --> 01:48:40.347 - Tony! 1911 01:48:55.695 --> 01:48:57.864 - I was there when he tried the loop for the first time. 1912 01:49:04.996 --> 01:49:07.290 And I actually, at one point, said, 1913 01:49:07.374 --> 01:49:10.168 "Can you just, like, make him stop, please? 1914 01:49:10.252 --> 01:49:12.337 Can we stop this?" But he didn't. 1915 01:49:28.395 --> 01:49:29.479 - Yeah! 1916 01:49:31.106 --> 01:49:33.650 - One of the reasons he's accomplished so much 1917 01:49:33.733 --> 01:49:36.486 is, he doesn't think about the bad things. 1918 01:49:36.569 --> 01:49:38.154 He doesn't let that get to him. 1919 01:49:42.117 --> 01:49:44.494 - Yeah! - Yeah! 1920 01:49:46.204 --> 01:49:48.915 - Tony is competing against Tony. 1921 01:49:48.999 --> 01:49:51.334 He's always been competing against Tony. 1922 01:49:51.418 --> 01:49:54.504 - Three, two, one, go! 1923 01:49:57.924 --> 01:50:01.386 - Tony does not tire of getting hurt, 1924 01:50:01.469 --> 01:50:03.680 he does not tire of repetition, 1925 01:50:03.763 --> 01:50:06.016 and he does not tire of just doing the same thing 1926 01:50:06.099 --> 01:50:08.018 and attempting it over and over. 1927 01:50:18.987 --> 01:50:20.822 - You know, one thing for sure about Tony 1928 01:50:20.905 --> 01:50:23.074 is that he can take a slam. 1929 01:50:23.158 --> 01:50:25.660 It's rare to find people who 1930 01:50:25.744 --> 01:50:28.872 like to get back up and try it again. 1931 01:50:36.504 --> 01:50:39.382 - The reason he's been hurt more than most people 1932 01:50:39.466 --> 01:50:41.092 is because he's attempting 1933 01:50:41.176 --> 01:50:43.887 so many more things that they would never attempt. 1934 01:50:48.475 --> 01:50:50.894 - Holy shit. 1935 01:50:50.977 --> 01:50:52.896 - He's going to take some hits. 1936 01:50:59.110 --> 01:51:01.237 - One time, I saw Tony fall at Del Mar, 1937 01:51:01.321 --> 01:51:05.200 and I guess his knee was locking up and getting stuck. 1938 01:51:05.283 --> 01:51:06.201 I'm looking at it, 1939 01:51:06.284 --> 01:51:07.243 and he's like, "Yeah, my knee's stuck." 1940 01:51:07.327 --> 01:51:09.079 And he's like, "Pull it! Pull it! Pull it!" 1941 01:51:09.162 --> 01:51:11.039 I think it was his dad or something like that 1942 01:51:11.122 --> 01:51:12.332 pulling on it. 1943 01:51:12.415 --> 01:51:15.085 And boom! And then he's like, "Oh, all right." 1944 01:51:15.168 --> 01:51:18.088 He gets back up and goes to skate again. 1945 01:51:18.171 --> 01:51:21.424 I'm like, "If my knee got stuck, I'd be like, 1946 01:51:21.508 --> 01:51:23.093 'I need to go to a doctor.'" 1947 01:51:23.176 --> 01:51:25.595 And he's like, "No, I'm good." 1948 01:51:25.678 --> 01:51:26.763 - Broke my elbow. 1949 01:51:26.846 --> 01:51:29.891 Knocked my teeth out at least five times. 1950 01:51:29.974 --> 01:51:32.769 Didn't dislocate my shoulder, but it went out and in. 1951 01:51:32.852 --> 01:51:36.064 Rolled my ankles so far that they should have broken, 1952 01:51:36.147 --> 01:51:39.234 and maybe I would have benefited more if they had, 1953 01:51:39.317 --> 01:51:41.111 'cause now they're just kind of loose. 1954 01:51:41.194 --> 01:51:43.905 I've had dozens of concussions 1955 01:51:43.988 --> 01:51:46.950 but only a few that were really bad, 1956 01:51:47.033 --> 01:51:49.244 where I woke up somewhere else. 1957 01:51:49.327 --> 01:51:51.579 - His body's pretty messed up. 1958 01:51:51.663 --> 01:51:53.623 You know, if you watch him turn and stuff like that, 1959 01:51:53.706 --> 01:51:55.500 he's got a lot of stiffness. 1960 01:51:55.583 --> 01:51:57.502 - I know what he has, which a lot of us get, 1961 01:51:57.585 --> 01:52:00.296 is, we get whiplash from taking slams. 1962 01:52:00.380 --> 01:52:02.173 And he has it really bad. 1963 01:52:02.257 --> 01:52:03.675 - I'm that guy that people ask, like, 1964 01:52:03.758 --> 01:52:04.968 "Something wrong with your neck?" 1965 01:52:05.051 --> 01:52:08.054 I'm like, "Yes. 40 years of whiplash." 1966 01:52:10.807 --> 01:52:12.684 - Whoa! - Shit! 1967 01:52:14.102 --> 01:52:16.062 That's not good. 1968 01:52:16.146 --> 01:52:17.564 - Medic! - Hey, medic! Quick! 1969 01:52:17.647 --> 01:52:19.941 - Medic! Medic! 1970 01:52:20.024 --> 01:52:21.985 - Can you hear me, Tony? 1971 01:52:22.068 --> 01:52:23.903 Can you hear me? 1972 01:52:25.029 --> 01:52:26.156 You all right? 1973 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:27.866 - It hurts, man. - I know, man. 1974 01:52:28.950 --> 01:52:30.326 You okay? - Yeah. 1975 01:52:30.410 --> 01:52:31.995 - All right. I don't want-- - Cut the pads off. 1976 01:52:32.078 --> 01:52:33.455 - Minimal movement, okay? - What is this? 1977 01:52:33.538 --> 01:52:35.874 - Minimal movement. - Okay. 1978 01:52:35.957 --> 01:52:38.084 - Hold that on your head right there. 1979 01:52:38.168 --> 01:52:40.670 - Fractured my skull, broke my thumb, 1980 01:52:40.753 --> 01:52:42.380 broke my pelvis. 1981 01:52:42.464 --> 01:52:44.841 I sat in bed for about six weeks. 1982 01:52:44.924 --> 01:52:46.843 And I thought, "Maybe this is it." 1983 01:52:46.926 --> 01:52:49.429 Everyone kept asking me, "How long can you skate?" 1984 01:52:49.512 --> 01:52:51.848 Maybe this is the answer. This is how long I can skate. 1985 01:52:51.931 --> 01:52:54.142 I can skate till I'm 35, when I break my pelvis. 1986 01:52:54.225 --> 01:52:57.103 - When I got knocked out in Australia about five years ago 1987 01:52:57.187 --> 01:52:59.105 or something, I was asking everybody, like, 1988 01:52:59.189 --> 01:53:01.149 "How long does this fuzziness last, you know?" 1989 01:53:01.232 --> 01:53:03.318 I'm like, "Tony, you've been knocked out a bunch of times. 1990 01:53:03.401 --> 01:53:04.486 How long does it"-- 1991 01:53:04.569 --> 01:53:05.653 He's like, "I don't know, Mike." 1992 01:53:05.737 --> 01:53:07.655 I'm like, "How many times you been knocked out?" 1993 01:53:07.739 --> 01:53:09.115 You know, he couldn't even recall 1994 01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:10.408 how many times he's been knocked out. 1995 01:53:11.784 --> 01:53:14.746 - Can you imagine watching your dad 1996 01:53:14.829 --> 01:53:17.790 tumble down a ramp at 56? 1997 01:53:17.874 --> 01:53:19.209 No. 1998 01:53:19.292 --> 01:53:20.919 - Like, we're grandparents. 1999 01:53:21.002 --> 01:53:24.547 We're grandparents falling out of the sky. 2000 01:53:24.631 --> 01:53:26.049 - Why still push yourself 2001 01:53:26.132 --> 01:53:28.510 when there's no reward of board sales 2002 01:53:28.593 --> 01:53:32.222 or contest winnings or anything like that? 2003 01:53:32.305 --> 01:53:33.431 - That is the question. 2004 01:53:33.515 --> 01:53:35.058 That is the question, why we do that. 2005 01:53:35.141 --> 01:53:37.936 I don't know. It's just in us. 2006 01:53:38.019 --> 01:53:39.395 - Why do you think Tony does it? 2007 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.189 Why do you think he pushes himself so hard? 2008 01:53:42.607 --> 01:53:44.859 - I think it's to impress all of us, you know? 2009 01:53:44.943 --> 01:53:47.904 I think it's--I honestly do, 2010 01:53:47.987 --> 01:53:49.989 because, you know, most of the world 2011 01:53:50.073 --> 01:53:53.701 that's gonna see this film doesn't know a Madonna 2012 01:53:53.785 --> 01:53:56.204 from a McTwist from a Caballerial. 2013 01:53:56.287 --> 01:53:57.914 But his peers do. 2014 01:53:57.997 --> 01:53:59.874 And we are blown away 2015 01:53:59.958 --> 01:54:02.168 every time we see something like this. 2016 01:54:02.252 --> 01:54:05.922 And it inspires us to go on and do something different, 2017 01:54:06.005 --> 01:54:08.675 because that's what skateboarding is all about. 2018 01:54:14.347 --> 01:54:18.142 - We had the 30-year reunion of the "Animal Chin" video. 2019 01:54:18.226 --> 01:54:21.980 To commemorate that, Tony had a replica 2020 01:54:22.063 --> 01:54:25.108 of the infamous Chin ramp built. 2021 01:54:25.191 --> 01:54:27.902 Caballero, McGill, Lance, Tony, myself, 2022 01:54:27.986 --> 01:54:29.529 Tommy Guerrero, Rodney Mullen, 2023 01:54:29.612 --> 01:54:31.155 and a whole bunch of other people 2024 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:32.782 were there to celebrate. 2025 01:54:32.865 --> 01:54:35.451 So we got to watch them skate it again. 2026 01:54:35.535 --> 01:54:38.413 And they reproduced all the famous tricks 2027 01:54:38.496 --> 01:54:40.039 that they did at the time. 2028 01:54:44.586 --> 01:54:47.130 - 30 years later, these guys are doing their famous, 2029 01:54:47.213 --> 01:54:48.798 you know, four-invert shot. 2030 01:54:48.881 --> 01:54:50.174 - Can we just try? - Eee! 2031 01:54:51.718 --> 01:54:52.844 - This is it! 2032 01:54:52.927 --> 01:54:56.681 - One. Two. Three. 2033 01:55:05.523 --> 01:55:07.150 - Yoo-hoo! 2034 01:55:07.233 --> 01:55:11.446 - Lock it up. - Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho! 2035 01:55:11.529 --> 01:55:14.532 - That's amazing. That's totally amazing. 2036 01:55:22.915 --> 01:55:25.168 - Yeah, Steve! Nice! 2037 01:55:25.251 --> 01:55:28.338 - Whenever Caballero or McGill did something 2038 01:55:28.421 --> 01:55:29.964 that was a little bit too edgy, 2039 01:55:30.048 --> 01:55:31.716 you could see them stop midair and, 2040 01:55:31.799 --> 01:55:33.843 "That's it. Stop." 2041 01:55:33.926 --> 01:55:35.720 Every time they'd do something 2042 01:55:35.803 --> 01:55:38.848 and it was a touch off of what they were out, 2043 01:55:38.931 --> 01:55:41.351 they'd throw the board and slide--knee slide. 2044 01:55:41.434 --> 01:55:42.685 You could tell there was no messing around. 2045 01:55:42.769 --> 01:55:43.978 These guys aren't getting hurt. 2046 01:55:45.730 --> 01:55:47.148 - As the temperature started increasing 2047 01:55:47.231 --> 01:55:48.441 and these guys started pushing each other, 2048 01:55:48.524 --> 01:55:52.695 Tony, like always, he started going harder and harder. 2049 01:56:00.036 --> 01:56:01.496 - Yeah! - Oh! 2050 01:56:01.579 --> 01:56:02.705 - Oh! 2051 01:56:09.337 --> 01:56:10.755 - Just chill out. Just chill. 2052 01:56:10.838 --> 01:56:13.174 Just chill. Just chill. Just chill out. 2053 01:56:13.257 --> 01:56:14.842 - Tony, just chill. Tony, just chill. 2054 01:56:14.926 --> 01:56:16.844 Just chill. Lay there. Stay there. 2055 01:56:16.928 --> 01:56:19.681 - Just kick back. Kick back. Kick back. 2056 01:56:19.764 --> 01:56:22.934 Here. - Hey. 2057 01:56:23.017 --> 01:56:24.519 - There you go. 2058 01:56:35.613 --> 01:56:37.073 - What is your name? 2059 01:56:40.827 --> 01:56:43.538 Wait, wait, wait. What's your name? 2060 01:56:43.621 --> 01:56:44.956 - Tony Hawk. 2061 01:56:49.001 --> 01:56:51.087 - All of us just gasped. It's like, "Oh, my God." 2062 01:56:51.170 --> 01:56:54.090 He's down there, laying there, dead still. 2063 01:57:17.822 --> 01:57:20.241 He got himself up off the ramp after about five minutes, 2064 01:57:20.324 --> 01:57:22.285 and then he went and sat down at the bottom of the ramp, 2065 01:57:22.368 --> 01:57:24.370 and he just sat there. 2066 01:57:24.454 --> 01:57:26.581 - There's some water right here. 2067 01:57:26.664 --> 01:57:31.252 - His hair was, like, Einstein-y, pitch-white skin, 2068 01:57:31.335 --> 01:57:33.004 and he looked 70 years old. 2069 01:57:33.087 --> 01:57:35.173 It was shocking. It was really scary. 2070 01:57:35.256 --> 01:57:38.760 And I sat there going, "Man, you can't do this at this age. 2071 01:57:38.843 --> 01:57:43.306 You can't put yourself in that kind of danger at this age," 2072 01:57:43.389 --> 01:57:45.349 especially with the career he's had. 2073 01:57:45.433 --> 01:57:47.810 And it really, really troubled me. 2074 01:57:47.894 --> 01:57:49.645 And I went and had a really long conversation 2075 01:57:49.729 --> 01:57:50.938 with Sean Mortimer afterwards, 2076 01:57:51.022 --> 01:57:52.940 saying, "Look, somebody's gotta talk to Tony. 2077 01:57:53.024 --> 01:57:54.358 He can't let this happen." 2078 01:57:54.442 --> 01:57:55.735 I talked to Steve Hawk. 2079 01:57:55.818 --> 01:57:57.320 I called Steve Hawk on the phone. 2080 01:57:57.403 --> 01:57:59.655 And I'm going, "Steve, Tony's gotta be told 2081 01:57:59.739 --> 01:58:01.449 he can't do this." 2082 01:58:01.532 --> 01:58:02.784 But I couldn't get any takers. 2083 01:58:02.867 --> 01:58:04.619 I couldn't get anybody to, like-- 2084 01:58:04.702 --> 01:58:06.078 guys, you've got to-- 2085 01:58:06.162 --> 01:58:07.622 there's got to be an intervention here. 2086 01:58:07.705 --> 01:58:09.874 I mean, come on! 2087 01:58:09.957 --> 01:58:12.335 That's not a bad concussion. 2088 01:58:12.418 --> 01:58:15.421 That's a disaster, you know? 2089 01:58:23.596 --> 01:58:26.015 - I don't know what I think about it. 2090 01:58:26.098 --> 01:58:28.559 I think it's no one's place to say that to him. 2091 01:58:30.603 --> 01:58:32.605 - Okay. So what do you mean? 2092 01:58:34.232 --> 01:58:35.441 - I don't know. 2093 01:58:37.819 --> 01:58:38.986 He doesn't unders-- 2094 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:42.156 He doesn't even understand 2095 01:58:42.240 --> 01:58:44.283 that we're gonna probably die skateboarding 2096 01:58:44.367 --> 01:58:45.493 and kill ourselves. 2097 01:58:45.576 --> 01:58:48.204 It's something you can't change. 2098 01:58:50.748 --> 01:58:51.874 I can't sleep. 2099 01:58:53.167 --> 01:58:56.212 I can't sleep on my shoulders. It's terrible. 2100 01:58:56.295 --> 01:58:57.505 It's horrible. 2101 01:58:57.588 --> 01:59:00.675 You're actually destroying yourself on what you love. 2102 01:59:00.758 --> 01:59:04.554 But it's not--it's too late, first of all, 2103 01:59:04.637 --> 01:59:06.514 to be concerned about, like, 2104 01:59:06.597 --> 01:59:07.974 "Oh, it's time for us to slow down." 2105 01:59:08.057 --> 01:59:09.350 Like, I don't know. I don't know to-- 2106 01:59:09.433 --> 01:59:11.727 I don't know how to react to that. 2107 01:59:11.811 --> 01:59:13.896 He's right, but I don't know how to react to it. 2108 01:59:17.441 --> 01:59:19.527 - I worry a lot that he's-- 2109 01:59:19.610 --> 01:59:21.445 that he will really hurt himself. 2110 01:59:21.529 --> 01:59:22.572 Some of the stuff he's done, 2111 01:59:22.655 --> 01:59:25.032 if something went wrong, he could have died for sure. 2112 01:59:25.116 --> 01:59:27.368 And that scares the fuck out of me. 2113 01:59:27.451 --> 01:59:31.205 - The abuse their bodies are taking is pretty absurd. 2114 01:59:31.289 --> 01:59:32.832 Like, Tony is just-- 2115 01:59:32.915 --> 01:59:35.918 Tony and Lance might be the most battered dudes, 2116 01:59:36.002 --> 01:59:37.086 like, of all of them. 2117 01:59:37.169 --> 01:59:39.046 Tony especially, man, he's-- 2118 01:59:39.130 --> 01:59:40.256 you've seen his fingers. 2119 01:59:40.339 --> 01:59:41.924 They're all fucking out of socket. 2120 01:59:42.008 --> 01:59:43.759 And just-- his shins are all fucked up. 2121 01:59:43.843 --> 01:59:46.137 He tried the full pipe, 2122 01:59:46.220 --> 01:59:50.057 and--but he gets so fucking slammed. 2123 01:59:50.141 --> 01:59:51.434 But he continues. 2124 01:59:53.436 --> 01:59:54.645 - Yeah, it's foolish. 2125 01:59:54.729 --> 01:59:57.398 It's foolish what we've done to ourselves. 2126 01:59:57.481 --> 02:00:00.735 Tony--a lot of us. It's foolish. 2127 02:00:00.818 --> 02:00:02.695 We're gonna live in absolute pain. 2128 02:00:04.822 --> 02:00:07.658 I've had so many concussions. I know I have. 2129 02:00:09.452 --> 02:00:11.078 You know. 2130 02:00:11.162 --> 02:00:12.788 I know I have what those football players have, 2131 02:00:12.872 --> 02:00:14.916 and I'm probably gonna have a brain tumor like my dad. 2132 02:00:14.999 --> 02:00:16.167 I'm sure of it. 2133 02:00:16.250 --> 02:00:17.418 And it's because... 2134 02:00:19.879 --> 02:00:24.300 We were stupid skateboarding and we got injured. 2135 02:00:24.383 --> 02:00:26.594 It is what it is. 2136 02:00:26.677 --> 02:00:30.473 He is going to probably get another gnarly concussion. 2137 02:00:30.556 --> 02:00:32.350 He's probably gonna break another bone. 2138 02:00:32.433 --> 02:00:33.809 He's probably gonna get to the point 2139 02:00:33.893 --> 02:00:37.188 where his body will not let him do it. 2140 02:00:37.271 --> 02:00:39.106 And that's the way we're gonna go. 2141 02:00:39.190 --> 02:00:41.025 Stupid? Yes. 2142 02:00:41.108 --> 02:00:45.196 - Maybe it's, like, not smart. I don't know. 2143 02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:49.158 But we forget about, you know, the pain and the suffering 2144 02:00:49.241 --> 02:00:52.119 that we go through to get to that next level. 2145 02:00:52.203 --> 02:00:53.913 And I think it's those people that are afraid 2146 02:00:53.996 --> 02:00:56.666 to go through that, 2147 02:00:56.749 --> 02:00:58.459 you know, that pain and suffering, 2148 02:00:58.542 --> 02:01:01.337 that never amount to anything 2149 02:01:01.420 --> 02:01:05.508 than just a normal, safe life, you know? 2150 02:01:05.591 --> 02:01:10.513 We don't live in those parameters, you know. 2151 02:01:10.596 --> 02:01:14.016 - There's consequences to everything we do. 2152 02:01:14.100 --> 02:01:17.979 But when you tap--tiptoe around the consequences... 2153 02:01:20.398 --> 02:01:21.816 Tony was having consequen-- 2154 02:01:21.899 --> 02:01:23.526 he would never have reached what he did 2155 02:01:23.609 --> 02:01:26.654 if he listened to those consequences things back then. 2156 02:01:29.615 --> 02:01:32.535 "You're too small. You can't get to the top. 2157 02:01:32.618 --> 02:01:34.286 "You do it weird. We don't like you. 2158 02:01:34.370 --> 02:01:36.580 Here's a beer can in the"-- what? 2159 02:01:36.664 --> 02:01:37.832 We all would have stopped 2160 02:01:37.915 --> 02:01:40.042 if we'd listened to anybody telling us, like, 2161 02:01:40.126 --> 02:01:42.336 "You know, there's gonna be a cost to this." 2162 02:01:46.465 --> 02:01:49.135 And some are gonna pay more. 2163 02:01:49.218 --> 02:01:53.389 - This is the luxury of having spent my life 2164 02:01:53.472 --> 02:01:55.516 doing what I love. 2165 02:01:55.599 --> 02:01:57.351 The cost of that... 2166 02:02:00.146 --> 02:02:01.689 It sucks. 2167 02:02:04.275 --> 02:02:06.027 I'm not blind. 2168 02:02:07.445 --> 02:02:10.823 I'm not numb to the pain. 2169 02:02:10.906 --> 02:02:12.533 I would argue I'm more conscious of it 2170 02:02:12.616 --> 02:02:14.368 than anybody else. 2171 02:02:14.452 --> 02:02:17.830 But I'm also more conscious of what that gives me. 2172 02:02:20.958 --> 02:02:24.253 And when I'm done with this... 2173 02:02:25.880 --> 02:02:30.259 That will be what it is, and I'll find a way. 2174 02:02:30.342 --> 02:02:33.763 But there's something inside of me propelling 2175 02:02:33.846 --> 02:02:38.559 that I'm not going to give up until the wheels fall off. 2176 02:02:38.642 --> 02:02:41.604 That's what I'm made of. 2177 02:02:41.687 --> 02:02:45.399 And I wish--I see all the arguments against it. 2178 02:02:45.483 --> 02:02:49.320 But I wish I could relate the intangibles to you. 2179 02:02:51.405 --> 02:02:55.242 My guess is that we're all built the same. 2180 02:02:55.326 --> 02:02:58.329 None of us are completely stupid. 2181 02:02:58.412 --> 02:03:00.790 A little deranged, I think a strong argument. 2182 02:03:00.873 --> 02:03:03.084 I do. 2183 02:03:03.167 --> 02:03:05.836 But ultimately, 2184 02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:09.090 we also know what we have. 2185 02:03:09.173 --> 02:03:11.842 And to go and lay down in that sense of it... 2186 02:03:15.346 --> 02:03:19.350 That's like embracing what we've done with our lives. 2187 02:03:19.433 --> 02:03:20.851 You know? 2188 02:04:03.269 --> 02:04:06.480 - I found this thing that I've loved 2189 02:04:06.564 --> 02:04:08.816 more than anything else that I've tried 2190 02:04:08.899 --> 02:04:10.359 or done in my life. 2191 02:04:12.945 --> 02:04:16.448 I found my purpose and my salvation. 2192 02:04:18.075 --> 02:04:22.997 And in some ways, I found my emotional highs. 2193 02:04:25.916 --> 02:04:29.336 I'm still trying to push my limits. 2194 02:04:32.131 --> 02:04:35.968 I don't know how long this will last. 2195 02:04:36.051 --> 02:04:38.762 But I'm not gonna quit.