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- Am I -- Am I okay here?

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Do I look okay, guys?

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This is the first year --
I´m supposed to be with --

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I´m supposed to be
with Clive Davis

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right now in Capri on his yacht.

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But I´m with you instead.

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My favorite story is when Ivana
was up in Canada one time.

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She was selling jewelry,

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and she was describing
this watch, and she said,

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"This is -- This watch is gold."

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She said, "And the dial
is mother of the pearl."

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"Mother of the pearl."
It was the best.

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She always put "the"
before everything.

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"The Donald."

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She was very funny.
She had a good sense of humor.

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But she botched up
the English language

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like you just
can´t even imagine.

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She said, "That´s my charm."

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WOMAN:
Ivana, How do you feel?

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- I feel --
I feel great. I feel great.

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- ♫ Welcome to your life ♫

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LINDA STASI:
She was the Kardashians

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before there were Kardashians.

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She was Kris Jenner.

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- She was the first influencer.

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- I mean, who looked like that?
Giant hair and all that makeup.

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The power couple of the ´80s.

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DENNIS BASSO:
Mr. and Mrs. Donald Trump.

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LINDA:
Glitz, sex, scandal.

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You name it, they had it.

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PAULA FROELICH: It was,
"Look. We are so glamorous.

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We are so fabulous."

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- ♫ Everybody wants
to rule the world ♫

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- She had the same kind
of raw ambition that he had.

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- What if you had said,
"Well, Donald and I are equal"?

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- I would have been dead!
[ chuckles ]

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CINDY ADAMS:
She said she was his twin.

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She wanted to be his master,
not just his mistress.

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- Ivana was smarter than Donald.

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NIKKI HASKELL:
When they first got married,

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he made Ivana become
an American citizen

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because he wanted
to be president.

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- He never would have been
on "The Apprentice"

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without the image
that she created.

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- You´re fired.
- And he never would

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have been president
without "The Apprentice."

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- I´m basically
first Trump wife, okay?

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[ laughs ] I´m first lady, okay?

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GEORGE WAYNE: She would´ve loved
to have been the first lady.

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- You couldn´t knock her down.
She kept getting back up.

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That´s -- I mean,
that´s a role model to me.

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- ♫ Everybody wants
to rule the world ♫

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♫♫

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♫♫

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BARBARA WALTERS:
What makes Ivana Trump tick?

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IVANA TRUMP: I love to live.

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I love life. I like to dance.
I like to eat.

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I like to work.
I like my family.

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I like to travel.
Uh, I like to live.

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And I think
that I like to do things,

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I think that what really
makes me interesting.

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♫♫

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NIKKI:
It came as a great shock

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because she was
very much larger than life.

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- Ivana was hard-edged,
aggressive, ambitious.

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Always perfectly attired.

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Always eye-catching.

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- She was unflappable.
Just like her hair.

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Nothing was going to deter her.

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- She wasn´t like anyone else.

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She captured
the hearts of the world.

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- Ivana Trump had balls.

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Like, real big steel balls.

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This woman grew up
in communist Czechoslovakia.

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♫♫

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- My childhood was wonderful.

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A lot of people say living
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had to be terrible.

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But I got opportunity to excel.

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DENNIS:
She´s an only child.

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When you´re an only child,

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I think no matter
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you have a very different
relationship with your parents.

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They´re on top of you.
They´re focused on you.

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They´re giving you strength.

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WOMAN: She was involved
in competitive skiing,

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highly competitive.

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DENNIS:
This is a girl with a mission.

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And it´s a little bit of luck,

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it´s a lot of talent,
and it´s drive.

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And she had the drive
like nobody else.

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- So, for me,
leaving Czechoslovakia

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and getting out of the country,
which you could not get a visa.

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You either run or skied away
or -- or whatever.

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I just decided to leave.

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And, uh -- And that was
most important moment

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because it gave me
a life in -- in the West

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and in the land of freedom
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the United States!

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- And we reap the benefit
of you being here!

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[ applause ]

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DENNIS:
When she got here,

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as many girls do
who are pretty models,

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they get involved
in the pretty-models scene.

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And she wasn´t doing that.

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She treated it
like it was a job.

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- ♫ And so we´ll run ♫

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- And she was looking
straight ahead

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to find the right partner
and create the right life.

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LINDA: At that time,

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he was a very fancy,
rich developer.

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CINDY:
Donald was a realty animal.

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But he didn´t know Paris.
He didn´t know London.

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He didn´t know a king
and a queen and a princess

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if he fell over them,
unless they tried to rent

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a three-and-a-half-room
apartment.

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So she opened
all of that to him.

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GWENDA BLAIR:
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he made what
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an incredibly important
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which was to stop off at
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called Maxwell´s Plum.

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♫♫

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And that was the night
that he met Ivana Trump.

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♫♫

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AMY ROBACH: What were
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of Donald Trump
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- He was just very smart,
very witty.

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He was good-looking.
And the all-American boy.

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- Donald talked about
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on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

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- What was the "it" that
let you know that this was it?

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- We just got along well,

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and there was an energy level
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And, uh, you know,
who really knows?

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Who can define what that is?

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- She had the same kind of
raw ambition that he had,

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the same absolute veraciousness

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and "stop at nothing,"

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completely transactional way

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of dealing with the world.

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♫♫

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DONALD:
I look at that skyline,

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and I really say
it´s the greatest in the world.

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It´s the greatest city
in the world.

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NIKKI: I don´t think
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he was thinking about getting
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- I´d really like
to buy everything

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if that were possible.
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NIKKI: I think he was
thinking about his career

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and finding a way
to maneuver himself

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into the limelight
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- For both Donald and Ivana,

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each one was exactly
what they were looking for.

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She was looking
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and, for him,

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she was this very glamorous
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really what he´d been after
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NANCY COLLINS: They were kind of
the funniest couple together.

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I mean,
they were real outsiders.

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Here was Donald,
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and was trying
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She was from Czechoslovakia,
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And she was, like, out of
nowhere, for New York City.

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NIKKI: She had a -- a charm that
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they couldn´t understand what
she was saying half the time.

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And people would sit at dinner
and they´d go...

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And then she´d turn her head and
they´d go, "What did she say?"

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- I think it´s a terrific day.

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LINDA:
Giant hair and all that makeup

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and the crazy dresses and stuff.

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She didn´t look like
anybody we´d ever seen.

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- Shoulders out to here.
Perfectly made up.

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Security waiting
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GEORGE: She loved her jewels.
She loved her couture.

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She loved her heels.
She loved to have fun.

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- She was so adorable.

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And she and Donald
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- Donald Trump´s
proposal to you.

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Is it true he said,
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you´ll ruin your life"?

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- That´s for sure.

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- Doesn´t sound too romantic.

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- Okay. [ laughs ]
But we met in August.

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He wanted to get married
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And I said I need
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to -- to become to know him.

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So eventually we agree on April.

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- So the threat worked.

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- [ laughing ] Okay.
It work. Okay.

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NIKKI: There was an excitement
to the relationship.

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I don´t know if Donald felt
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but he met some woman
that he could really talk to.

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LINDA: I think he probably
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´cause she was so much like him.

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He was such a narcissist.

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It was like
being married to himself.

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GWENDA: They were married
less than a year after they met.

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And at the very last minute,

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Donald presented her
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drawn up by his attorney,
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and it was extremely stingy.

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- My prenuptial, I did not
understand what I was signing.

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Uh, I was younger and I did not
speak very well English.

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And, uh, I really --
My parents never had one.

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It did not exist
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- During that last-minute
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she would say, "Wait a minute.
I´m not doing this."

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I think it was very indicative
of how the future would go.

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She was never
trying to take over,

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but she did hold her own.

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CINDY: I remember their wedding
had all sorts of celebrities.

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Every single person
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wanted to go or was invited

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because Donald wanted
everybody who was there.

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And he was in his height.

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DENNIS:
They were the talk of New York.

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Mr. and Mrs. Donald Trump.

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Young, tall, attractive,
doing things.

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- Ohh! Oh, no!

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- I mean, they were the toast.

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It was the ´80s.
Nothing was too much. Noth--

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It was just unbelievable.

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- ´80s New York was really fun.

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It was over-the-top.
Money was important.

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Ivana and Donald
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And I think they went out
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- You couldn´t get
anything hotter.

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Both of them adored publicity.

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Both of them wanted --

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Although they said,
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they would walk right to
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LINDA:
They were strivers.

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They were striving to be
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and to be part of
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which they never really were.

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They were always
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People looked their noses down
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GWENDA:
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and really much of that era of
the late ´70s, ´80s exemplified,

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was a kind of greed,

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a kind of focus

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on material wealth,
on shininess, glitziest,

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getting more, more,
more, more, more.

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- She created Donald Trump.

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- Because we can do it.
We can...

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PAULA: You know,
Donald Trump was just some guy

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with a rich daddy,
wanted to be someone.

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He was like, "I want this!"
She was like,

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"And now I will get it done."

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- She said she was his twin.

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She wanted to be his master,
not just his mistress.

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That might have been partly
where some of it went wrong.

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Donald was
the Empire State Building,

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and she wanted to be
the Statue of Liberty.

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[ Tears for Fears´ "Everybody
Wants to Rule the World" plays ]

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♫♫

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- ♫ Welcome to your life ♫

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♫♫

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WALTERS: You´d have to have been
living under a rock

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not to have heard the story
of Donald and Ivana Trump.

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They were the golden couple
of the ´80s

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who seemed to have it all.

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Good-looking and glamorous,
they were an ideal match,

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and their luxurious lifestyle,
the best money could buy.

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- ♫ Everybody wants ♫

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♫ To rule the world ♫

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- She could have been
the pretty blond wife

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with beautiful clothes who lived
in a fancy triplex in New York

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and went around
with her girlfriends every day

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and did nothing but shop.

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She didn´t want that.
She had a big brain.

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- She´s done so much
for Atlantic City.

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- Ivana really wasn´t the
"lady who lunched" kind of type.

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She played the part,
but she was a businesswoman.

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She was a mogul.

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[ indistinct conversation ]

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NIKKI:
Ivana called me one day,

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and she said,
"I´m going to work for Donald."

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I said, "Why do you want
to work? You just got married.

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Why would you want
to go to work?"

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She said, "No, I´m gonna
work hand-in-hand with him."

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- She said to Donald,
"I want to work with you."

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"Ivana Work."

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That was one of the headlines
on the Post years ago.

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BARBARA RES:
At that time, they looked
like they were quite in love.

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- It´s a little bit different.

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- And, um, he wanted
to find a place for her.

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- She got a "vice president"
title at the Trump Organization

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and she oversaw interior design.

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- Ivana was pretty much
the personification

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of "Lifestyles
of the Rich and Famous,"

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and I think she wanted to be,

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and it was part
of their marketing.

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It was [ as Ivana ]
"Look. We are so glamorous.

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We are so fabulous.

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Aww. You cannot be us.
But you can!"

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- Remember she came from
communist Czechoslovakia.

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- Ivana Trump
was Eastern European,

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and it´s kind of like
dictator chic, right?

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Like, there´s a lot of gilt,
there´s a lot of gold,

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there´s a lot of mirrors
and white carpets.

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Like, if it ain´t baroque,
don´t fix it. That´s Ivana.

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And she made that Trump´s,
like, inimitable style.

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♫♫

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RES:
The first time I saw her,

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I was working
on the Grand Hyatt,

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and she was walking around
with Donald,

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and I just went, "Whoa."

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She was just gorgeous.

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NIKKI:
Then Trump Tower came along.

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Ivana went to Italy,
and she bought a mountain.

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It was like -- I can´t tell you
how gigantic it was.

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And it had -- It was
the pink marble for the lobby.

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And she and Donald
worked hand-in-hand

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on building the Trump Tower,
which was an amazing feat

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and really changed the skyline,

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as Donald did with many of
his developments, of New York.

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- Ivana even goes on
"This Old House"

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to show off the interiors
of the newly built Trump Tower.

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- What is all this?
These walls are superb.

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- It´s a mural which was
painted by the German artist.

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They were commissioned by us.

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And you can see
the very beautiful workmanship.

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24-karat gold.
- Yeah.

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- And they spent two months

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from morning to evening
to working on this.

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RES: By the time Trump Tower
was done,

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he was a big, big celebrity.

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- He is a chip
off the old block.

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- My -- My father, Fred Trump.
- This is -- Right.

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- He made it known
that she worked in the business.

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She was
"with me in the business."

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- Ivana and Donald Trump,
congratulations.

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- Thank you so much, Nikki.
Thank you.

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- It´s like
having a baby, right?

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Tonight you gave birth.

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- My second one, right?
[ laughs ]

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DENNIS:
I believe that Donald Trump

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respected her power
and her vision.

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He could trust her,
and she worked for the company.

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When she was working,
she was a company girl, 100%.

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LINDA:
I think they were very similar

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because she was
incredibly ambitious,

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incredibly forward,
and not shy at all.

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She promoted herself.
She promoted Donald.

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She promoted
all their buildings.

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She promoted like crazy.

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- When Ivana referred
to her husband,

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she famously called him
"The Donald."

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-Do you really call him
"The Donald"?

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- I really started it.
I wasn´t sure --

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It´s my bad English, I suppose.

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- So it´s "The Plaza,"
"the apartment"...

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- It´s -- Yes.
- "The husband," "The Donald"?

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- Yes.
- Okay.

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MAN:
Miss Trump? Miss Trump?

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LINDA: She was the Kardashians
before there were Kardashians.

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She was Kris Jenner.

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- Ivana was the neck
that moved the head.

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RES: I don´t know that
he would have done as well

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with somebody
that wasn´t as smart as she.

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Donald was bright enough --

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I mean, no genius --

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but Ivana was smarter
than Donald.

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♫♫

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DENNIS: They were part of
that solid Upper East Side.

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She was not part
of the nighttime scene

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at all, ever.

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I was a little bit
a part of that,

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and I´d call her and say,
"Come on."

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She says, "No, no, no.

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I have a meeting at 8:00 a. m.
with the contractors."

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"No, no, no.
At 6:00, I´m on the helicopter

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to go to Atlantic City."
[ grumbles ]

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And her kids --
her kids were paramount.

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♫♫

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- Donald and Ivana
had three children --

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Donald Jr., Ivanka, and Eric.

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- She just knocked out
those kids one, two, three.

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- I love my kids, but I didn´t
want them to get in trouble.

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I wanted the discipline
and the schedule.

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I think you --
when you keep your kids busy,

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you know, they have no troub--
time to get in trouble.

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DENNIS:
She was tight. She was strict.

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She was a European mother.
- We have an amazing mother,

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and she held us
to a very high standard.

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- My mother was much more
the old-school

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Eastern European
strong disciplinarian.

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- I grew up surrounded --
as a little girl --

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surrounded
by strong female mentors.

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- She didn´t want to be
your new best friend.

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She wanted to be your mother.

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- And I was flying at 8:00
in the morning after breakfast

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with the kids for Atlantic City
on the helicopter.

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I was there until 5:00, 6:00.

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I would come back home and
to do homework with the kids,

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have a dinner with them,
and then I would go --

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In ´80s, I had to go
and dress up in the ball gown,

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matching shoes,
matching handbag,

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the jewelry and all that stuff.

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LINDA:
She must have been a good mom

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because her kids
really love her,

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but I don´t think
she was like what, you know --

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"I can do at all."

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I think she was mostly business.

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NIKKI:
People loved Ivana,

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and I think they were
really a great couple.

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It´s not enough for
just one person to be fabulous

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and the other one
to be sort of mediocre.

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- She was as out there
as he was.

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She was also as driven
as he was.

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- If Ivana wasn´t involved
in his business,

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there would have been
no business.

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- Donald Trump
bought The Plaza Hotel

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and then put Ivana in charge.

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PAULA: She was the manager
of The Plaza.

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- I remember he, um --

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he was interviewed about that,
you know, and he made a joke.

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DAME EDNA: Does he pay you
a very big salary for being...?

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[ laughter ]

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- Just can´t get away.

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- People always talk money
around you, don´t they?

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IVANA:
I get one dollar a year.

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MAN: One dollar a year.
Do you have any other perks?

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DONALD: Yes,
all the dresses she can buy,

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and that costs me a lot
of money.

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It´s a lousy deal I made.
That´s one of my bad deals.

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- A dollar a year and
"all the dresses she can buy."

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And it was such
a horrible thing to say.

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I mean, it was just -- She was
devastated by that remark.

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I mean, he was building her up.

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00:19:03.270 --> 00:19:06.000
"She ran the casino, and she´s
now gonna do The Plaza Hotel."

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She felt very bad about that.

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She wanted to please him,

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and she wanted him
to respect her.

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But I´ll tell you,
they had some kind of a party

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for her or something,
and they were applauding her.

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And he was like,
"Who the hell are you?"

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It was like he wasn´t there.

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00:19:21.630 --> 00:19:25.070
In his face, I saw the anger.

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00:19:25.070 --> 00:19:27.400
"What the hell?
People are admiring her?

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And I´m standing here?"

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00:19:28.770 --> 00:19:31.070
GEORGE: There was tension
between Donald and Ivana

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because she was becoming
too popular

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and getting more press
than he was.

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Everyone fell in love
with Ivana,

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and I think, deep down,
Donald resented it.

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CINDY: She was the one
you went to for The Plaza.

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She was the one if you wanted
a room in Atlantic City.

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She was the one for everything.

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00:19:51.070 --> 00:19:55.070
And she was taking
some of the excitement away.

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He wasn´t gonna have it.

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00:19:56.630 --> 00:19:59.230
- What if you had said,
"Well, Donald and I are equal

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and I feel very independent"?

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00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.500
- [ laughs ]
I would have been dead!

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- She was absolutely
as ambitious as he was

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and almost more so.

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But the interesting thing is
that she sold them as a couple,

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the branding as a couple,

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00:20:15.530 --> 00:20:18.430
but her --
probably her big mistake

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was to make him more famous
than she was

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because he started to believe
his own press.

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♫♫

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NIKKI:
This is the Trump Tower.

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00:20:33.432 --> 00:20:34.832
This is Donald Trump,

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financier, entrepreneur,
consummate businessman,

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and the man
behind the Tower project.

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And this is Ivana Trump,

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the woman behind the man
behind the Tower.

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But make no mistake.

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Dedicated wife and mother,
she is still her own person

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and has her own life
with Donald.

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00:20:51.862 --> 00:20:55.392
♫♫

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00:20:55.392 --> 00:20:58.792
They were the perfect couple.
Everything was so great.

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And then all of a sudden,
it comes tumbling down.

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So, I was having lunch
with Ivana one day,

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00:21:03.632 --> 00:21:05.392
and just at the end
of the lunch, I said,

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"You know, I´ve heard that
Donald is cheating on you."

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She goes,
"What are you talking about?"

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00:21:09.932 --> 00:21:12.332
- She was a diamond
that sparkled.

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That´s what he loved.

486
00:21:14.562 --> 00:21:16.862
It´s just that, after a while,

487
00:21:16.862 --> 00:21:20.632
the diamond lost
some of its glistening.

488
00:21:20.632 --> 00:21:23.232
NANCY: How do you know if your
husband´s having an affair?

489
00:21:23.232 --> 00:21:26.562
- Well, if the man suddenly
goes and starts to exercise

490
00:21:26.562 --> 00:21:28.392
and loses thousand pounds

491
00:21:28.392 --> 00:21:30.832
and he is polishing his nails
and he has the, you know --

492
00:21:30.832 --> 00:21:34.392
He goes and he buys the new
suits and -- and all that.

493
00:21:34.392 --> 00:21:37.762
You know, there are usually
signs that this is something

494
00:21:37.762 --> 00:21:39.932
out of the character
of the person.

495
00:21:39.932 --> 00:21:43.432
And if he didn´t do it for you,
who is he doing for?

496
00:21:43.432 --> 00:21:44.832
- Did you see warning signs?

497
00:21:44.832 --> 00:21:46.592
- Uh, I didn´t.

498
00:21:46.592 --> 00:21:48.532
- Hm.
- I didn´t.

499
00:21:49.892 --> 00:21:52.862
RES: He was seeing Marla Maples
at the time.

500
00:21:52.862 --> 00:21:55.562
Maybe everyone in the world
except Ivana knew this.

501
00:21:55.562 --> 00:21:57.662
- For the first several years
of Donald´s affair

502
00:21:57.662 --> 00:21:59.462
with Marla Maples,

503
00:21:59.462 --> 00:22:02.692
he was quite successful
at hiding this from Ivana.

504
00:22:02.692 --> 00:22:04.892
- Marla Maples
was a former beauty queen

505
00:22:04.892 --> 00:22:07.432
and an aspiring model
from Georgia.

506
00:22:07.432 --> 00:22:10.632
GWENDA: Beautiful,
gorgeous, a model.

507
00:22:10.632 --> 00:22:14.832
But soft, Southern,

508
00:22:14.832 --> 00:22:16.592
not hard-edged...

509
00:22:16.592 --> 00:22:18.892
no interest in going
to construction sites,

510
00:22:18.892 --> 00:22:21.892
no interest in being anything
but supportive.

511
00:22:21.892 --> 00:22:25.432
- Marla was -- She was totally,
I mean, you know...

512
00:22:25.432 --> 00:22:28.262
"Look at me
with this 26-year-old hottie."

513
00:22:28.262 --> 00:22:33.462
♫♫

514
00:22:33.462 --> 00:22:37.232
WALTERS: And then came
Christmas, Aspen.

515
00:22:37.232 --> 00:22:40.192
Can you tell us what happened,
what you felt, what you learned?

516
00:22:40.192 --> 00:22:44.692
♫♫

517
00:22:44.692 --> 00:22:46.562
It´s still hard, isn´t it?

518
00:22:46.562 --> 00:22:49.462
♫♫

519
00:22:49.462 --> 00:22:51.592
- It´s tough.

520
00:22:51.592 --> 00:22:53.592
- Tell us as much
as you can of that day.

521
00:22:53.592 --> 00:22:56.232
You´re on the ski slope
with your kids.

522
00:22:58.592 --> 00:23:00.832
- Uh...

523
00:23:00.832 --> 00:23:03.232
I think it was just --
It was said too many times.

524
00:23:03.232 --> 00:23:05.262
I don´t think
I want to go into it.

525
00:23:05.262 --> 00:23:06.792
♫♫

526
00:23:06.792 --> 00:23:08.762
LINDA:
I was at New York Newsday,

527
00:23:08.762 --> 00:23:10.692
and a friend of mine
called me up and said,

528
00:23:10.692 --> 00:23:13.462
"Oh, my God.
I´m on the ski slopes in Aspen.

529
00:23:13.462 --> 00:23:15.362
And Trump´s girlfriend

530
00:23:15.362 --> 00:23:17.492
just had a confrontation
with Ivana!"

531
00:23:17.492 --> 00:23:19.292
NIKKI:
My girlfriend calls me.

532
00:23:19.292 --> 00:23:21.332
She goes, "You´re not gonna
believe what´s happening,"

533
00:23:21.332 --> 00:23:23.162
and this woman, Marla Maples.

534
00:23:23.162 --> 00:23:24.432
I say, "Who´s Marla Maples?"

535
00:23:24.432 --> 00:23:26.262
She said,
"That´s Donald´s mistress."

536
00:23:26.262 --> 00:23:28.262
I said,
"What are you talking about?"

537
00:23:28.262 --> 00:23:30.692
She said, "And Ivana´s crying.

538
00:23:30.692 --> 00:23:34.462
And she´s skiing backwards
and she´s screaming at her."

539
00:23:34.462 --> 00:23:36.832
IVANA: Marla just charged
right behind me.

540
00:23:36.832 --> 00:23:39.362
And she said
in front of my children --

541
00:23:39.362 --> 00:23:41.632
they were about
five feet away --

542
00:23:41.632 --> 00:23:44.662
And Donald was just looking up
like nothing would happen, so...

543
00:23:44.662 --> 00:23:47.892
WALTERS: She said, "I´m Marla,
and I love your husband.

544
00:23:47.892 --> 00:23:49.662
Do you?"
- Yes.

545
00:23:49.662 --> 00:23:51.362
- What did you say?

546
00:23:51.362 --> 00:23:53.492
- I said -- I said, uh --

547
00:23:53.492 --> 00:23:57.262
I said, "Get lost.
I love my husband very much."

548
00:23:57.262 --> 00:24:00.362
It was very unladylike,
but it was as much as I recall.

549
00:24:00.362 --> 00:24:03.192
That was as much as I really --

550
00:24:03.192 --> 00:24:05.792
as harsh as maybe I could be.

551
00:24:05.792 --> 00:24:07.832
LINDA: It was
a very loud confrontation.

552
00:24:07.832 --> 00:24:11.332
[ laughing ]
And a lot of people heard it.

553
00:24:11.332 --> 00:24:14.632
GWENDA: The world reacted
with total fascination

554
00:24:14.632 --> 00:24:16.692
to the soap opera
of soap operas --

555
00:24:16.692 --> 00:24:18.332
Donald and Ivana,

556
00:24:18.332 --> 00:24:20.562
the power couple of the ´80s,
were imploding.

557
00:24:20.562 --> 00:24:22.692
- It was everything
you could possibly imagine.

558
00:24:22.692 --> 00:24:25.832
Glitz, sex, scandal.

559
00:24:25.832 --> 00:24:27.562
You name it, they had it.

560
00:24:27.562 --> 00:24:30.332
The whole world was just,
"Donald and Marla,

561
00:24:30.332 --> 00:24:32.532
Donald and Ivana,
Donald and Marla."

562
00:24:32.532 --> 00:24:34.562
- He got caught,
and Donald loved it.

563
00:24:34.562 --> 00:24:36.692
Donald didn´t care.
He loved all the publicity.

564
00:24:36.692 --> 00:24:39.932
DONALD: I mean, my life
was so great in so many ways --

565
00:24:39.932 --> 00:24:41.862
a beautiful girlfriend,

566
00:24:41.862 --> 00:24:45.192
beautiful wife,
beautiful everything.

567
00:24:45.192 --> 00:24:47.362
- I began to talk
to Donald daily.

568
00:24:47.362 --> 00:24:49.892
Every single day,
I talked to Donald.

569
00:24:49.892 --> 00:24:54.332
She, Ivana, called Liz Smith,
who was my counterpart,

570
00:24:54.332 --> 00:24:56.362
and she told the story.

571
00:24:56.362 --> 00:24:58.562
- Every day
on the front page of the paper,

572
00:24:58.562 --> 00:25:01.592
it was, "I´ve never had sex
like this before."

573
00:25:01.592 --> 00:25:03.732
- What do you think of Marla?

574
00:25:03.732 --> 00:25:05.692
- Um...

575
00:25:05.692 --> 00:25:07.362
I really...
- The truth.

576
00:25:07.362 --> 00:25:09.292
- ...don´t want
to really comment on it.

577
00:25:09.292 --> 00:25:11.362
- Hm. She says
she had nothing to do

578
00:25:11.362 --> 00:25:13.692
with the breakup
of your marriage.

579
00:25:13.692 --> 00:25:15.432
- Wow.

580
00:25:15.432 --> 00:25:18.262
Uh, she´s the woman
in -- in Donald´s life.

581
00:25:18.262 --> 00:25:22.162
- I think that putting a wife to
work is a very dangerous thing.

582
00:25:22.162 --> 00:25:23.392
I mean, we´ll make -- we´ll do

583
00:25:23.392 --> 00:25:25.292
an educational program here,
okay?

584
00:25:25.292 --> 00:25:26.662
If you´re in business
for yourself,

585
00:25:26.662 --> 00:25:28.562
I really think it´s a bad idea

586
00:25:28.562 --> 00:25:29.792
to put your wife
working for you.

587
00:25:29.792 --> 00:25:31.632
There was a great softness
to Ivana,

588
00:25:31.632 --> 00:25:33.462
and she still has that softness.

589
00:25:33.462 --> 00:25:35.762
But during this period of time,

590
00:25:35.762 --> 00:25:38.592
she became an executive,
not a wife.

591
00:25:38.592 --> 00:25:41.362
I think that was
the single greatest cause

592
00:25:41.362 --> 00:25:45.432
of what happened
to my marriage with Ivana.

593
00:25:47.262 --> 00:25:49.332
MAN: The couple that, for many,
symbolized the ´80s

594
00:25:49.332 --> 00:25:50.762
is splitting up.

595
00:25:50.762 --> 00:25:53.592
JOHNNY CARSON:
The Trumps have hit some bumps.

596
00:25:53.592 --> 00:25:56.892
- It was very acrimonious.
It was very nasty.

597
00:25:56.892 --> 00:25:59.462
- "Ivana Better Deal."
The best headline of ´em all!

598
00:25:59.462 --> 00:26:02.662
- She was having such problems
because of the children.

599
00:26:02.662 --> 00:26:04.532
Kids at school
were telling the kids,

600
00:26:04.532 --> 00:26:06.532
"Oh, I hear your parents
are getting divorced

601
00:26:06.532 --> 00:26:08.532
and your father´s
cheating on your mother."

602
00:26:08.532 --> 00:26:11.532
Her main concern
was not subjecting them

603
00:26:11.532 --> 00:26:14.862
to this wrath of the divorce.

604
00:26:14.862 --> 00:26:17.192
NANCY: The women
were on Ivana´s side,

605
00:26:17.192 --> 00:26:20.262
and the men, I suppose,
were on Donald´s side.

606
00:26:20.262 --> 00:26:22.292
They wished
they could pull that off.

607
00:26:22.292 --> 00:26:26.362
So everybody had a stake
in this drama.

608
00:26:26.362 --> 00:26:29.332
Donald wanted to make Marla
acceptable,

609
00:26:29.332 --> 00:26:31.262
not known as a home wrecker.

610
00:26:31.262 --> 00:26:34.392
- He would call up and say,
"Oh, it´s getting nasty,"

611
00:26:34.392 --> 00:26:36.392
and then try to promote Marla.

612
00:26:36.392 --> 00:26:39.562
All he was trying to do
was legitimatize Marla

613
00:26:39.562 --> 00:26:43.392
and make it seem like Ivana
was just a big pain in his rump.

614
00:26:43.392 --> 00:26:44.932
NIKKI:
It was pretty terrible,

615
00:26:44.932 --> 00:26:48.392
but Ivana, to her credit,
kept it together like a trouper.

616
00:26:48.392 --> 00:26:49.862
- I just wish him happiness.

617
00:26:49.862 --> 00:26:51.492
He´s father of my children,
and I wish him best.

618
00:26:51.492 --> 00:26:54.232
I hope that she makes him happy,
and if she does,

619
00:26:54.232 --> 00:26:57.762
that´s all what
I really want for him.

620
00:26:57.762 --> 00:27:00.162
WALTERS: You´re very generous
about him.

621
00:27:00.162 --> 00:27:01.632
- He´s father
of my three children.

622
00:27:01.632 --> 00:27:04.732
We have been together
for 13 years.

623
00:27:04.732 --> 00:27:06.862
- There were reports
that last year

624
00:27:06.862 --> 00:27:09.832
Marla Maples wanted
to make amends with you.

625
00:27:09.832 --> 00:27:13.632
- She asked the Daily News
in -- in London

626
00:27:13.632 --> 00:27:15.862
if I would accept her apology.

627
00:27:15.862 --> 00:27:19.532
I said, "Apology
is absolutely not accepted."

628
00:27:19.532 --> 00:27:21.292
I never accept her apology.

629
00:27:21.292 --> 00:27:23.762
She ruined my family
and my marriage.

630
00:27:23.762 --> 00:27:25.892
I just call her the show girl.
That´s all.

631
00:27:25.892 --> 00:27:28.192
- And yet you accepted
Donald´s apology.

632
00:27:28.192 --> 00:27:30.492
Why accept Donald´s apology
and not hers?

633
00:27:30.492 --> 00:27:32.532
- Because he was father
of my three children.

634
00:27:32.532 --> 00:27:35.492
Very good provider.
So this is why.

635
00:27:35.492 --> 00:27:36.892
- How do you forgive
something like that?

636
00:27:36.892 --> 00:27:39.292
It´s not just that
he cheated on her.

637
00:27:39.292 --> 00:27:40.832
He was worldwide!

638
00:27:40.832 --> 00:27:44.592
She was shamed all over
the world as this woman scorned.

639
00:27:44.592 --> 00:27:47.332
Ugh! You don´t forgive that.

640
00:27:47.332 --> 00:27:49.592
♫♫

641
00:27:49.592 --> 00:27:52.762
- In 1992 in the final
divorce settlement,

642
00:27:52.762 --> 00:27:55.392
what Ivana got was $14 million,

643
00:27:55.392 --> 00:27:59.792
a 45-room mansion
in Greenwich, Connecticut.

644
00:27:59.792 --> 00:28:02.592
GWENDA: She got a month a year
at Mar-a-Lago,

645
00:28:02.592 --> 00:28:05.732
plus $600,000 a year

646
00:28:05.732 --> 00:28:07.792
for raising the three children.

647
00:28:07.792 --> 00:28:10.762
- That was seen very good
at the time by most people.

648
00:28:10.762 --> 00:28:13.732
I thought she got a pittance
of what she could have gotten.

649
00:28:13.732 --> 00:28:17.592
- She got the settlement and she
got that house in Connecticut.

650
00:28:17.592 --> 00:28:19.262
She flipped it, and, you know,

651
00:28:19.262 --> 00:28:23.392
immediately doubled her alimony,
as it were.

652
00:28:23.392 --> 00:28:25.292
WALTERS:
Did Donald want the marriage

653
00:28:25.292 --> 00:28:29.192
or does he say, "This is it;
I have to separate"?

654
00:28:29.192 --> 00:28:32.632
- Um, it really was my decision.

655
00:28:32.632 --> 00:28:36.332
Um, I tried for two months,
as you know, until February.

656
00:28:36.332 --> 00:28:39.832
I tried to live with the idea
that I´ve been cheated on

657
00:28:39.832 --> 00:28:41.562
and I´ve been lied to.

658
00:28:41.562 --> 00:28:43.492
And -- And I decided, uh,

659
00:28:43.492 --> 00:28:48.262
that that´s not the life
which I want to live.

660
00:28:48.262 --> 00:28:50.892
WALTERS:
Do you still love Donald?

661
00:28:50.892 --> 00:28:53.232
- Uh, I don´t love Donald

662
00:28:53.232 --> 00:28:56.462
as the woman would love a man.

663
00:28:56.462 --> 00:28:58.632
I do have affection for him.

664
00:28:58.632 --> 00:29:00.932
WALTERS:
Would you ever take him back?

665
00:29:00.932 --> 00:29:02.832
IVANA:
I would not take him back

666
00:29:02.832 --> 00:29:06.292
because I think the whole story
would repeat eventually again.

667
00:29:09.532 --> 00:29:14.232
♫♫

668
00:29:14.232 --> 00:29:17.192
IVANA: Life goes on.
You have to trust in yourself.

669
00:29:17.192 --> 00:29:19.232
You have to believe in yourself.

670
00:29:19.232 --> 00:29:21.362
If you have a confidence,

671
00:29:21.362 --> 00:29:23.632
you -- you can really do
almost anything.

672
00:29:23.632 --> 00:29:25.762
- I think she was
really the epitome

673
00:29:25.762 --> 00:29:27.692
of looking good
is the best revenge

674
00:29:27.692 --> 00:29:29.692
and living well
is the best revenge.

675
00:29:29.692 --> 00:29:31.232
WALTER:
She sounds different,

676
00:29:31.232 --> 00:29:33.432
she looks different,
she is different.

677
00:29:33.432 --> 00:29:37.892
I was invited to the Citymeals
on Wheels Power Lunch for Women.

678
00:29:37.892 --> 00:29:40.732
And that was, like, the big,
big deal to get invited.

679
00:29:40.732 --> 00:29:45.232
And this blonde walks in
with this giant Ronettes hairdo.

680
00:29:45.232 --> 00:29:48.232
Now, these are the most
influential women in New York.

681
00:29:48.232 --> 00:29:49.892
They know everybody.

682
00:29:49.892 --> 00:29:52.892
And we were all like,
"Who the hell is that person?"

683
00:29:52.892 --> 00:29:55.762
I mean, back then,
in the early ´90s,

684
00:29:55.762 --> 00:29:57.662
who got plastic surgery

685
00:29:57.662 --> 00:30:00.192
to really completely
reinvent yourself?

686
00:30:00.192 --> 00:30:02.732
♫♫

687
00:30:02.732 --> 00:30:04.332
- You never looked better.

688
00:30:04.332 --> 00:30:06.732
You want to tell us
about the transformation?

689
00:30:06.732 --> 00:30:08.932
You were always beautiful.
You´re more beautiful.

690
00:30:08.932 --> 00:30:12.192
- If you´re talking about, uh,

691
00:30:12.192 --> 00:30:14.932
uh, uh, makeup, hair, or --

692
00:30:14.932 --> 00:30:19.362
I do believe that women
should take care of themselves.

693
00:30:19.362 --> 00:30:22.532
I do believe in exercise.
I do believe in health food.

694
00:30:22.532 --> 00:30:25.262
I do believe in plastic surgery
if needed.

695
00:30:25.262 --> 00:30:27.692
I do believe
in improving yourself.

696
00:30:27.692 --> 00:30:31.232
- And we were at her house
in Palm Beach,

697
00:30:31.232 --> 00:30:34.592
and I said, "You know,
my fashion show is coming up.

698
00:30:34.592 --> 00:30:36.292
I want you to finale it."

699
00:30:36.292 --> 00:30:38.162
And she said, "Yes!"

700
00:30:38.162 --> 00:30:39.762
[ camera shutter clicking ]

701
00:30:39.762 --> 00:30:44.762
And we made her this rare pale

702
00:30:44.762 --> 00:30:46.692
golden sable coat.

703
00:30:46.692 --> 00:30:49.762
She did that runway show.

704
00:30:49.762 --> 00:30:51.862
It was a surprise.

705
00:30:51.862 --> 00:30:53.762
And the room went crazy.

706
00:30:53.762 --> 00:30:57.762
And we had her come out
to the song

707
00:30:57.762 --> 00:30:59.462
"I´m Every Woman."

708
00:30:59.462 --> 00:31:02.332
- ♫ I´m every woman ♫

709
00:31:02.332 --> 00:31:04.332
♫ It´s all in me ♫

710
00:31:04.332 --> 00:31:07.392
- She managed to not look like

711
00:31:07.392 --> 00:31:10.392
the sad, scorned wife
afterwards.

712
00:31:10.392 --> 00:31:12.232
I mean, at the beginning,
she did,

713
00:31:12.232 --> 00:31:14.332
but -- but post-divorce,

714
00:31:14.332 --> 00:31:16.932
she -- she really
reinvented herself.

715
00:31:16.932 --> 00:31:18.862
- She came out,
and she was like,

716
00:31:18.862 --> 00:31:21.432
you know, in that movie
"The First Wives Club."

717
00:31:21.432 --> 00:31:23.792
- Ladies, we have to be strong
and independent.

718
00:31:23.792 --> 00:31:25.862
And remember.
- What?

719
00:31:25.862 --> 00:31:28.692
- Don´t get mad. Get everything!

720
00:31:28.692 --> 00:31:31.662
- That, still to this day,
is a quotable line

721
00:31:31.662 --> 00:31:33.632
that I think a lot of women
refer to

722
00:31:33.632 --> 00:31:35.462
when they think about
Ivana Trump.

723
00:31:35.462 --> 00:31:38.632
- She got what she wanted
on her own terms

724
00:31:38.632 --> 00:31:42.162
and became the face for divorce,

725
00:31:42.162 --> 00:31:45.192
which for a lot of people,
you still didn´t talk about it.

726
00:31:45.192 --> 00:31:47.232
- Ivana is the original
first wife,

727
00:31:47.232 --> 00:31:49.232
a woman who turned
an untidy divorce

728
00:31:49.232 --> 00:31:50.592
from billionaire Donald Trump

729
00:31:50.592 --> 00:31:52.562
into a battle cry
for women everywhere

730
00:31:52.562 --> 00:31:55.632
to not get even, get everything.

731
00:31:55.632 --> 00:31:59.192
GWENDA: She absolutely followed
the advice that she gave.

732
00:31:59.192 --> 00:32:02.592
She developed
her own business empire...

733
00:32:02.592 --> 00:32:03.892
- It´s nice to see you.

734
00:32:03.892 --> 00:32:05.632
- What a great collection
this is, Ivana.

735
00:32:05.632 --> 00:32:07.532
- Yeah, I´m very proud of it.

736
00:32:07.532 --> 00:32:09.492
GWENDA:
...became a multimillionaire...

737
00:32:09.492 --> 00:32:11.232
- What we have
in our House of Ivana

738
00:32:11.232 --> 00:32:13.892
is a line of cosmetics,
as you see, the perfumes.

739
00:32:13.892 --> 00:32:15.392
I also have a skin care.

740
00:32:15.392 --> 00:32:17.362
We have a line for the body.

741
00:32:17.362 --> 00:32:19.892
We have a line of jewelry
that you can see.

742
00:32:19.892 --> 00:32:22.832
- We´re all wearing it.
- Pearls and all that.

743
00:32:22.832 --> 00:32:25.632
GWENDA:
...and wrote books, was on TV,

744
00:32:25.632 --> 00:32:29.292
cameo roles, talk shows,
advice columnist.

745
00:32:29.292 --> 00:32:34.892
- ♫ Everybody wants
to rule the world ♫

746
00:32:34.892 --> 00:32:36.932
- Ivana even does
a Pizza Hut commercial

747
00:32:36.932 --> 00:32:38.762
with her ex, Donald Trump.

748
00:32:38.762 --> 00:32:40.292
- May I have the last slice?

749
00:32:40.292 --> 00:32:42.532
- Actually, you´re
only entitled to half.

750
00:32:42.532 --> 00:32:44.392
- I mean, how great is that!

751
00:32:44.392 --> 00:32:48.262
You have this
sort of public battle,

752
00:32:48.262 --> 00:32:51.192
you get divorced.

753
00:32:51.192 --> 00:32:54.262
The next thing you know,
both of you are looking fabulous

754
00:32:54.262 --> 00:32:56.262
and you´re making
a national commercial.

755
00:32:56.262 --> 00:33:00.432
- I said to myself, "Wow.
What strength of character."

756
00:33:00.432 --> 00:33:03.762
What a woman,
that she could forgive Donald.

757
00:33:03.762 --> 00:33:06.932
- I think it was Ivana´s way
of, like, sticking it to Marla.

758
00:33:06.932 --> 00:33:09.832
You know, she figured,
"Screw you," you know?

759
00:33:09.832 --> 00:33:11.932
"They want me to do
this commercial with Donald?

760
00:33:11.932 --> 00:33:13.592
I´m gonna do it."

761
00:33:13.592 --> 00:33:17.562
♫♫

762
00:33:17.562 --> 00:33:19.362
- After my divorce
or my separation,

763
00:33:19.362 --> 00:33:21.162
I could not even look at a man.

764
00:33:21.162 --> 00:33:24.192
I said I don´t want to see
another man as long as I live!

765
00:33:24.192 --> 00:33:26.632
Cannot live with them,
you cannot live without them.

766
00:33:26.632 --> 00:33:30.562
- After Donald Trump,
there were two more husbands,

767
00:33:30.562 --> 00:33:33.862
two more divorces,
both Italian men.

768
00:33:33.862 --> 00:33:35.562
- Everybody she went with
was Italian

769
00:33:35.562 --> 00:33:37.232
whose name began with an "R."

770
00:33:37.232 --> 00:33:40.732
So there was Roffredo,
Riccardo, Rossano...

771
00:33:40.732 --> 00:33:42.432
and somebody else.

772
00:33:42.432 --> 00:33:44.392
- Wedding bells are ringing
for one of New York´s

773
00:33:44.392 --> 00:33:45.692
most colorful personalities.

774
00:33:45.692 --> 00:33:47.762
Ivana Trump
is getting remarried.

775
00:33:47.762 --> 00:33:49.762
Ivana´s new husband
is going to be 51-year-old

776
00:33:49.762 --> 00:33:53.432
Riccardo Match--
Mazzucchelli.

777
00:33:53.432 --> 00:33:56.332
DENNIS: So she married
this very attractive,

778
00:33:56.332 --> 00:34:00.562
age-appropriate, at the time,
international businessman.

779
00:34:00.562 --> 00:34:02.692
We actually traveled
with him several times,

780
00:34:02.692 --> 00:34:04.832
and he seemed...okay.

781
00:34:04.832 --> 00:34:07.662
You know, she´s not the easiest
girl to be married to.

782
00:34:07.662 --> 00:34:10.662
She´s important.
She´s in the limelight.

783
00:34:10.662 --> 00:34:13.492
And those were the days
still where she couldn´t

784
00:34:13.492 --> 00:34:17.232
step out of the door
without the paparazzi.

785
00:34:17.232 --> 00:34:20.532
And I just think
that that didn´t work.

786
00:34:20.532 --> 00:34:22.392
Like marriages don´t work.

787
00:34:22.392 --> 00:34:26.332
- He was getting madder and
madder and madder by the fact

788
00:34:26.332 --> 00:34:30.232
that nobody ever called her
Mrs. Mazzucchelli, right?

789
00:34:30.232 --> 00:34:32.632
So I´ll never forget --
we went to Las Vegas

790
00:34:32.632 --> 00:34:35.232
´cause Ivana
was doing a book party.

791
00:34:35.232 --> 00:34:37.232
[ big-band music plays ]

792
00:34:37.232 --> 00:34:41.432
♫♫

793
00:34:41.432 --> 00:34:43.632
So Ivana all the tickets
made out

794
00:34:43.632 --> 00:34:45.392
"Mr. and Mrs. Mazzucchelli."

795
00:34:45.392 --> 00:34:48.532
The room was in the name
of Mr. and Mrs. Mazzucchelli.

796
00:34:48.532 --> 00:34:51.662
We go down to the show,
and it´s Wayne Newton.

797
00:34:51.662 --> 00:34:53.432
And Wayne Newton
comes out on the stage.

798
00:34:53.432 --> 00:34:56.862
He goes, "Ladies and gentlemen,
I am so happy tonight.

799
00:34:56.862 --> 00:34:59.562
My dear friend Ivana Trump
is here!"

800
00:34:59.562 --> 00:35:02.292
And Riccardo got up, walked out.

801
00:35:02.292 --> 00:35:03.632
But he was a great guy.

802
00:35:03.632 --> 00:35:06.392
He was, like, really one
of my favorite husbands.

803
00:35:06.392 --> 00:35:09.932
♫♫

804
00:35:09.932 --> 00:35:11.632
WALTERS: Do you want
to get married again?

805
00:35:11.632 --> 00:35:13.892
- Well, I´m going to be probably
a little bit careful,

806
00:35:13.892 --> 00:35:17.632
but I´ve always been
a family person.

807
00:35:17.632 --> 00:35:20.562
I always like to have a man
with me next to me.

808
00:35:20.562 --> 00:35:23.892
And, uh, you know,
I like the company of the man.

809
00:35:23.892 --> 00:35:27.162
And I don´t think I´m going to
be too long. [ laughs ]

810
00:35:27.162 --> 00:35:29.192
♫♫

811
00:35:29.192 --> 00:35:30.832
NIKKI:
She got remarried again,

812
00:35:30.832 --> 00:35:33.462
married Rossano Rubicondi.

813
00:35:33.462 --> 00:35:36.232
PAULA: It was tumultuous,
but who cares?

814
00:35:36.232 --> 00:35:38.232
Listen. She was fabulous.

815
00:35:38.232 --> 00:35:41.662
- Rossano Rubicondi
was much younger than Ivana.

816
00:35:41.662 --> 00:35:45.892
- She was, like, the original
cougar and proud of it.

817
00:35:45.892 --> 00:35:49.332
Again, this is in
the ´90s and early 2000s

818
00:35:49.332 --> 00:35:51.292
when most women didn´t do this,

819
00:35:51.292 --> 00:35:53.232
or if they did it,
they kept it quiet.

820
00:35:53.232 --> 00:35:54.762
Nope. Not Ivana.

821
00:35:54.762 --> 00:35:57.732
♫♫

822
00:35:57.732 --> 00:36:00.832
- Donald´s sister
officiated the wedding.

823
00:36:00.832 --> 00:36:03.492
So, she pulled me aside.

824
00:36:03.492 --> 00:36:05.332
She hands me this poem,

825
00:36:05.332 --> 00:36:06.762
and I look at the poem
and it says,

826
00:36:06.762 --> 00:36:09.362
"Thou lovest till thou
the end of time."

827
00:36:09.362 --> 00:36:10.832
So I said to her, "You know,

828
00:36:10.832 --> 00:36:12.732
I don´t think
we really need this poem

829
00:36:12.732 --> 00:36:14.862
because I don´t think the
wedding´s gonna last that long."

830
00:36:14.862 --> 00:36:18.362
[ chuckles ] "So let´s just
tear this one up."

831
00:36:18.362 --> 00:36:20.632
You know, he died recently,

832
00:36:20.632 --> 00:36:23.462
and I think that that was
a big setback for Ivana.

833
00:36:23.462 --> 00:36:25.692
They spent a lot of time
together.

834
00:36:25.692 --> 00:36:28.792
- She remained friends
with her last two ex-husbands.

835
00:36:28.792 --> 00:36:30.392
She even writes in her book,

836
00:36:30.392 --> 00:36:32.732
"Two of my best friends
are my ex-husbands,

837
00:36:32.732 --> 00:36:35.662
Riccardo Mazzucchelli
and Rossano Rubicondi."

838
00:36:37.892 --> 00:36:41.932
GWENDA: Up until they split, her
life was very much about him.

839
00:36:41.932 --> 00:36:45.592
Afterwards...

840
00:36:45.592 --> 00:36:47.232
it was about herself.

841
00:36:47.232 --> 00:36:51.292
♫♫

842
00:36:53.862 --> 00:36:57.392
♫♫

843
00:36:57.392 --> 00:36:59.192
- This is my dining room.

844
00:36:59.192 --> 00:37:01.262
AMY: Walking into
Ivana Trump´s apartment

845
00:37:01.262 --> 00:37:03.432
was like walking into 1985.

846
00:37:03.432 --> 00:37:05.492
Oh, that´s so pretty!

847
00:37:05.492 --> 00:37:07.792
It was walking onto
the set of "Dynasty."

848
00:37:07.792 --> 00:37:10.432
She had tapestries
going up the wall.

849
00:37:10.432 --> 00:37:13.332
And she owned it.
It was all her.

850
00:37:13.332 --> 00:37:15.162
You could tell she designed

851
00:37:15.162 --> 00:37:18.192
and had something to say with
everything in her apartment.

852
00:37:18.192 --> 00:37:20.362
That interview with Ivana Trump,

853
00:37:20.362 --> 00:37:23.862
at the very least,
I can describe it as memorable.

854
00:37:23.862 --> 00:37:26.432
- Sprechen sie Deutsch?
- No. Nein.

855
00:37:26.432 --> 00:37:27.862
- No?
- No. [ laughs ]

856
00:37:27.862 --> 00:37:30.892
One of the most interesting,

857
00:37:30.892 --> 00:37:33.692
fascinating interviews
I´ve ever done.

858
00:37:33.692 --> 00:37:37.362
She was direct.
She was confident.

859
00:37:37.362 --> 00:37:40.232
You knew that she was
somebody not to mess with.

860
00:37:40.232 --> 00:37:43.562
GWENDA: She had been part of
the really early on

861
00:37:43.562 --> 00:37:45.892
creation and image building
of Donald Trump

862
00:37:45.892 --> 00:37:48.732
that would ultimately lead
to the presidency.

863
00:37:48.732 --> 00:37:51.762
- He never would have been
on "The Apprentice"

864
00:37:51.762 --> 00:37:54.762
without the image
that she created.

865
00:37:54.762 --> 00:37:57.332
- You´re fired.
- And he never would

866
00:37:57.332 --> 00:37:59.732
have been president
without "The Apprentice."

867
00:37:59.732 --> 00:38:02.632
- She created so much
of that Trump brand.

868
00:38:02.632 --> 00:38:04.732
I don´t think
she ever got the credit.

869
00:38:04.732 --> 00:38:08.262
- There were suggestions
from the start,

870
00:38:08.262 --> 00:38:11.632
from, you know,
starting in mid-´80s,

871
00:38:11.632 --> 00:38:13.532
of hints of presidency,

872
00:38:13.532 --> 00:38:16.362
but it wasn´t really
a serious suggestion.

873
00:38:16.362 --> 00:38:19.732
- In New York, building
after building bears his name.

874
00:38:19.732 --> 00:38:21.732
He gets more publicity
these days

875
00:38:21.732 --> 00:38:23.632
than almost any movie star.

876
00:38:23.632 --> 00:38:26.362
And some people think
he should be president.

877
00:38:26.362 --> 00:38:29.362
- None of us really thought that
Donald was gonna be president.

878
00:38:29.362 --> 00:38:31.662
You know, um,
I don´t think Donald thought

879
00:38:31.662 --> 00:38:32.932
he was gonna be president.

880
00:38:32.932 --> 00:38:34.662
JOHN ROBERTS:
I, Donald John Trump,

881
00:38:34.662 --> 00:38:36.332
do solemnly swear...

882
00:38:36.332 --> 00:38:40.392
- I, Donald John Trump,
do solemnly swear...

883
00:38:40.392 --> 00:38:42.192
NIKKI:
I think she was very proud

884
00:38:42.192 --> 00:38:46.232
of him becoming President
of the United States

885
00:38:46.232 --> 00:38:48.862
´cause it was something
he always wanted.

886
00:38:48.862 --> 00:38:51.732
I remember
when they first got married,

887
00:38:51.732 --> 00:38:54.232
he made Ivana become
an American citizen

888
00:38:54.232 --> 00:38:56.192
because he wanted
to be president.

889
00:38:56.192 --> 00:38:57.892
GWENDA: Many years later,
that´s what happened,

890
00:38:57.892 --> 00:39:00.492
but when he did finally get
to the White House,

891
00:39:00.492 --> 00:39:05.292
I always felt like she was kind
of in the shadows in some way.

892
00:39:05.292 --> 00:39:06.892
- How often do you two talk?

893
00:39:06.892 --> 00:39:08.762
- Talk about once in 14 days.

894
00:39:08.762 --> 00:39:10.392
- That´s pretty remarkable.

895
00:39:10.392 --> 00:39:13.832
- She also said something about,
"Well, I think

896
00:39:13.832 --> 00:39:16.192
that Melania
must be jealous of me,"

897
00:39:16.192 --> 00:39:18.592
which drove Melania insane!

898
00:39:18.592 --> 00:39:20.792
- I had the direct number
to the White House,

899
00:39:20.792 --> 00:39:22.732
but I not really
want to call him there

900
00:39:22.732 --> 00:39:25.492
because Melania is there
and I don´t want to cause

901
00:39:25.492 --> 00:39:27.562
any kind of jealousy
or something like that

902
00:39:27.562 --> 00:39:30.662
because I´m basically
first Trump wife, okay?

903
00:39:30.662 --> 00:39:34.232
[ laughs ]
I´m first lady, okay?

904
00:39:34.232 --> 00:39:36.562
- I don´t think she ever made
a slip of the tongue.

905
00:39:36.562 --> 00:39:39.762
She was much too savvy
to go on national television

906
00:39:39.762 --> 00:39:42.262
and say, "I´m the first
first lady. Oops!"

907
00:39:42.262 --> 00:39:44.392
- I´m pretty sure
it was a little dig.

908
00:39:44.392 --> 00:39:45.832
NIKKI:
It was definitely a dig.

909
00:39:45.832 --> 00:39:48.232
I was actually there
when she said it.

910
00:39:48.232 --> 00:39:49.892
And, of course,
it resonated around the world.

911
00:39:49.892 --> 00:39:52.632
Everybody picked up
on that in one second,

912
00:39:52.632 --> 00:39:54.762
and that became sort of
the mantra of the story.

913
00:39:54.762 --> 00:39:56.462
WOMAN:
In response to these comments,

914
00:39:56.462 --> 00:39:59.462
a spokesperson for Melania Trump
told ABC News today...

915
00:40:06.862 --> 00:40:09.292
- I don´t think
she ever said anything

916
00:40:09.292 --> 00:40:12.532
that was not calculated
for a response.

917
00:40:12.532 --> 00:40:15.432
AMY: And she realized
that Donald Trump´s presidency

918
00:40:15.432 --> 00:40:17.262
created a lot of adversaries,

919
00:40:17.262 --> 00:40:21.562
but she maintained a certain
royal status here in New York.

920
00:40:21.562 --> 00:40:22.932
MAN: Ivana!

921
00:40:22.932 --> 00:40:24.862
[ indistinct shouting ]

922
00:40:24.862 --> 00:40:29.792
♫♫

923
00:40:29.792 --> 00:40:32.192
GWENDA: She was a New Yorker,
and she stayed in New York

924
00:40:32.192 --> 00:40:34.862
and never seemed to have
any interest in leaving.

925
00:40:34.862 --> 00:40:37.232
Her neighbors
saw her walking her dog.

926
00:40:37.232 --> 00:40:38.592
They -- She was friendly.

927
00:40:38.592 --> 00:40:41.562
She was respected and liked
in her community.

928
00:40:41.562 --> 00:40:43.492
MAN: How you been, Ivana?
- Fantastic.

929
00:40:43.492 --> 00:40:44.932
MAN: You look beautiful.

930
00:40:44.932 --> 00:40:46.562
ATILLA CETIN:
That even a walk on the street,

931
00:40:46.562 --> 00:40:48.662
and then people recognize
right away.

932
00:40:48.662 --> 00:40:50.532
"Did you see?
This is Ivana Trump."

933
00:40:50.532 --> 00:40:52.632
And then, "You think
we should talk to her?"

934
00:40:52.632 --> 00:40:54.792
And then she said,
"Yes, come, come.

935
00:40:54.792 --> 00:40:57.362
Ask me.
What do you need to know?"

936
00:40:57.362 --> 00:41:01.832
♫♫

937
00:41:01.832 --> 00:41:04.532
She was a first lady.

938
00:41:04.532 --> 00:41:07.832
She´s our first lady.

939
00:41:07.832 --> 00:41:11.332
GEORGE: She epitomized the ideal
of the lady who lunches.

940
00:41:11.332 --> 00:41:14.662
But that wasn´t her
be-all and end-all.

941
00:41:14.662 --> 00:41:16.892
ATILLA: She always come,
she always sit there

942
00:41:16.892 --> 00:41:20.492
because she sees everyone.

943
00:41:20.492 --> 00:41:23.292
She sees everything.

944
00:41:23.292 --> 00:41:26.692
GWENDA: She seemed to live life
to its fullest

945
00:41:26.692 --> 00:41:29.392
and never shrank in any way.

946
00:41:29.392 --> 00:41:33.292
The hair never shrank.
The shoulder pads never shrank.

947
00:41:33.292 --> 00:41:36.192
The very over-the-top clothing
never shrank.

948
00:41:36.192 --> 00:41:37.832
The makeup. None of it.

949
00:41:37.832 --> 00:41:40.762
GEORGE: They don´t make them
like Ivana anymore, you know?

950
00:41:40.762 --> 00:41:43.592
She could be uptown
in the penthouse,

951
00:41:43.592 --> 00:41:47.592
and she could be downtown
on the pavement

952
00:41:47.592 --> 00:41:50.162
with the kids hanging out
and being just herself

953
00:41:50.162 --> 00:41:53.732
and be the most unpretentious,
the most amazing soul,

954
00:41:53.732 --> 00:41:56.162
the bright light in any room.

955
00:41:56.162 --> 00:41:58.892
♫♫

956
00:41:58.892 --> 00:42:02.562
NIKKI: I had been in New York
for about two or three months

957
00:42:02.562 --> 00:42:04.662
and had seen
quite a bit of Ivana.

958
00:42:04.662 --> 00:42:06.362
Hadn´t seen her in a few weeks,

959
00:42:06.362 --> 00:42:08.192
and I was thrilled at the fact

960
00:42:08.192 --> 00:42:10.662
that she was going
to Saint-Tropez.

961
00:42:10.662 --> 00:42:13.932
You know, Ivana
was completely locked down

962
00:42:13.932 --> 00:42:15.432
when -- when this virus hit.

963
00:42:15.432 --> 00:42:18.492
She -- She just
fell apart, basically.

964
00:42:18.492 --> 00:42:20.392
She didn´t want
to leave the house.

965
00:42:20.392 --> 00:42:23.692
She didn´t want to go anywhere.
She didn´t want to travel.

966
00:42:23.692 --> 00:42:26.692
So it was -- I was sort of
thrilled at the fact

967
00:42:26.692 --> 00:42:30.692
that she was actually
gonna make her first trip.

968
00:42:30.692 --> 00:42:33.262
And I was sitting
in the apartment.

969
00:42:33.262 --> 00:42:36.192
And I got a call from my friend.

970
00:42:36.192 --> 00:42:38.292
And she said, "Ivana´s dead."

971
00:42:41.332 --> 00:42:43.192
NIKKI:
I was always afraid that Ivana

972
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was gonna fall down
these stairs in this house.

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00:42:45.432 --> 00:42:46.792
I had been saying to her,

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00:42:46.792 --> 00:42:50.332
"Please, please,
please be careful."

975
00:42:50.332 --> 00:42:53.232
And, you know, Ivana didn´t want
to have anybody in the house.

976
00:42:53.232 --> 00:42:55.262
She didn´t want any security.

977
00:42:55.262 --> 00:42:56.492
She wanted to be --

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00:42:56.492 --> 00:42:58.692
do her own thing,
be with her dog.

979
00:42:58.692 --> 00:43:01.692
- I got a phone call from
The New York Times, actually.

980
00:43:01.692 --> 00:43:04.462
One of the editors knows me.

981
00:43:04.462 --> 00:43:07.892
And said, "Did you hear the
rumor that Ivana passed away?"

982
00:43:07.892 --> 00:43:10.632
I said, "Now, that´s --
that´s preposterous."

983
00:43:12.732 --> 00:43:15.362
After I called all the numbers,

984
00:43:15.362 --> 00:43:17.932
the assistant, the house number,
Ivana´s number,

985
00:43:17.932 --> 00:43:22.532
and didn´t receive a response,
I then quickly called Eric,

986
00:43:22.532 --> 00:43:25.362
and Eric sent me
a text back saying,

987
00:43:25.362 --> 00:43:27.392
"Can I call you
in a little while?"

988
00:43:27.392 --> 00:43:30.692
I said, "Okay,"
but I wrote back texting him

989
00:43:30.692 --> 00:43:34.232
saying, "Is Mom okay?"

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00:43:34.232 --> 00:43:39.362
♫♫

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00:43:39.362 --> 00:43:40.892
GEORGE:
I was on my way home from Soho,

992
00:43:40.892 --> 00:43:43.232
and the news pinged
on the phone.

993
00:43:43.232 --> 00:43:45.932
Was just in total shock.

994
00:43:45.932 --> 00:43:49.362
- I heard this, I said,
"How -- How did Ivana die?"

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00:43:49.362 --> 00:43:51.592
They said,
"She fell down the stairs."

996
00:43:51.592 --> 00:43:53.362
- When I found out Ivana died,

997
00:43:53.362 --> 00:43:55.762
I, uh --
I just got a little sad.

998
00:43:55.762 --> 00:43:57.832
It´s kind of like
when a legend goes

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00:43:57.832 --> 00:44:00.492
and you´re like,
"Well, pour one out.

1000
00:44:00.492 --> 00:44:02.632
Tip that bottle
of Veuve Clicquot. Boom.

1001
00:44:02.632 --> 00:44:04.462
There goes another good one."

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00:44:05.862 --> 00:44:08.492
DAVID MUIR: Here in New York,
a final farewell to Ivana Trump.

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00:44:08.492 --> 00:44:10.792
MICHAEL STRAHAN:
At a historic Catholic church
here in Manhattan.

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00:44:10.792 --> 00:44:13.162
WOMAN: Ivana Trump´s
three children are expected

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00:44:13.162 --> 00:44:15.292
to speak at that service.

1006
00:44:15.292 --> 00:44:17.932
- You know,
it´s -- it´s interesting.

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00:44:17.932 --> 00:44:20.262
Because you never think
about anybody´s legacy

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00:44:20.262 --> 00:44:23.232
until they´re gone.

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00:44:23.232 --> 00:44:24.762
IVANA:
I was born in Czechoslovakia,

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00:44:24.762 --> 00:44:26.392
started from nothing.

1011
00:44:26.392 --> 00:44:28.592
I went to West,
started from nothing.

1012
00:44:28.592 --> 00:44:33.232
I had to work
for everything I have gotten.

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00:44:33.232 --> 00:44:34.732
GEORGE:
I think Ivana Trump´s legacy

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00:44:34.732 --> 00:44:38.562
will be a true New York story,
one of a kind.

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00:44:38.562 --> 00:44:40.292
NIKKI:
She was the first lady.

1016
00:44:40.292 --> 00:44:43.762
She was glamorous, beautiful,
smart, fun, delicious.

1017
00:44:43.762 --> 00:44:45.392
There wasn´t anybody like Ivana.

1018
00:44:45.392 --> 00:44:47.392
There´s never been
anybody like Ivana.

1019
00:44:47.392 --> 00:44:48.832
- I don´t dwell on the past

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00:44:48.832 --> 00:44:51.192
because that´s over and done
for all of us.

1021
00:44:51.192 --> 00:44:57.162
- People will remember her
for being the former wife...

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00:44:57.162 --> 00:45:00.692
of the past President
of the United States...

1023
00:45:00.692 --> 00:45:06.232
and the true glamour queen
of the ´80s and ´90s.

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00:45:08.332 --> 00:45:13.232
But, really, how I know
she wants to be remembered --

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00:45:13.232 --> 00:45:15.762
as a devoted mother.

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00:45:15.762 --> 00:45:17.432
IVANA:
Discipline and confidence.

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00:45:17.432 --> 00:45:20.662
I set myself certain goals,
certain commitments.

1028
00:45:20.662 --> 00:45:22.832
You know, courage.

1029
00:45:22.832 --> 00:45:25.192
The guts, plain, simple guts,

1030
00:45:25.192 --> 00:45:26.592
you know,
to go down that mountain,

1031
00:45:26.592 --> 00:45:28.332
or -- or go and come out of

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00:45:28.332 --> 00:45:30.432
the communistic country
with nothing.

1033
00:45:30.432 --> 00:45:34.832
- Her love, her irreverent
attitude towards things,

1034
00:45:34.832 --> 00:45:36.892
and the fact that
she was always overdressed

1035
00:45:36.892 --> 00:45:40.162
and looking gorgeous
really made it work.

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00:45:42.162 --> 00:45:44.462
DENNIS: You know, honey,
where the hell did you go?!

1037
00:45:44.462 --> 00:45:48.892
It´s, like, a little bit
annoying. You left us too early.

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00:45:48.892 --> 00:45:50.762
IVANA:
I´m not competing with the man.

1039
00:45:50.762 --> 00:45:53.562
No, I´m competing with myself.
But you have to try your best.

1040
00:45:53.562 --> 00:45:57.592
That´s all what you can do
at any given moment.

1041
00:45:57.592 --> 00:46:03.462
♫♫

1042
00:46:03.462 --> 00:46:09.362
♫♫

1043
00:46:09.362 --> 00:46:15.232
♫♫

1044
00:46:15.232 --> 00:46:20.932
♫♫

1045
00:46:20.932 --> 00:46:26.792
♫♫

1046
00:46:26.792 --> 00:46:32.692
♫♫

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00:46:32.692 --> 00:46:38.562
♫♫