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Days ago, the Pentagon delivered this, their highly anticipated
declassified report on UFO activity.
Tonight, we will take a deep dive
into the report and examine what It revealed about the state of
our national and global security.
And perhaps life beyond our solar system.
This is UFOs Declassified Live.
Welcome to UFOs Declassified Live.
I'm Josh Gates.
Normally I'm traveling to far flung locations around the world
Investigating mysteries on my series Expedition Unknown.
This evening they've let me take a shower and clean up a little bit.
I'm here in Las Vegas, along with fellow adventurer,
the host of Expedition X,
Jessica Chobot.
Hi, thanks for having me, happy to be here.
I am looking forward to declassifying some UFOs.
It's going to be a big night.
Together we will be tackling the mystery of UFOs, this report,
the science of these aerial anomalies
and who or what could be behind them.
We'll do it by deciphering the fresh off the press Pentagon UFO report
and the jaw dropping footage that prompted it.
We have got a rotating panel of experts to analyze everything tonight
and we want to hear from you, tweet using the hashtag,
"UFOs Declassified Live," and be sure to follow Discovery on Twitter
to participate in our live polls,
starting us off this evening, our panel, we have the award winning
investigative journalist, George Knapp
and investigative filmmaker,
the man who kicked off this whole thing with some of the most compelling images
of UFOs caught on tape.
Jeremy Corbell, good to see both of you.
-Nice to see ya, Josh. -Yeah, thanks for being here.
All right, this Pentagon report was initially requested
by the US Select Committee on Intelligence
in December of 2020, but its roots go far deeper than that.
Take a look.
[narrator] UFO sightings have been tracked by
the United States government since the 1940s.
As claims have often been dismissed by government officials,
the public has no idea of the extent of the activity
or what it could mean to national security,
however, reports of what has been described as aggressive UFO activity
has spiked in recent years,
especially over military institutions,
putting the United States Department of Defense on edge.
[pilot] 50 knots.
Closing in.
These increased public sightings, along with UFO footage
leaked by military personnel has forced the DOD
to change their long standing position.
It is history changing, it is without a doubt,
the story of the millennia.
[narrator] And for the first time, they have authenticated videos
of unidentified flying objects,
they know that these crafts feature highly advanced technology,
and are not part of the US military.
This caught the attention of the Senate Intelligence Committee
led by Senator Marco Rubio,
they demanded a full report on UFOs for the sake of national security.
Anything that enters an airspace, that's not supposed
to be there is a threat.
[narrator] Coming off a flurry of intense interest from the media,
the report was delivered to Congress just days ago.
Tonight, we identify key findings and unanswered questions.
Who do these craft belong to?
Adversaries in Russia or China.
is there a possibility they originated beyond our solar system?
Or is there a peaceful and earthly explanation?
And what does the evidence revealed in the report mean
for the United States and the world?
All right, well, let's get right into it,
George, let's start with you, you have been investigating UFOs from ground zero here
in the desert for more than 30 years.
First blush reaction, what do you make of this report?
it's massively important, it's such a radical departure
from what we've been spoon fed, the lies and obfuscation
we've been spoon fed by our military and our government for decades
behind the scenes since 1947.
Our military is taking this very seriously,
while telling the public, there's nothing to it.
Don't worry about it, move on.
This report is only nine pages,
it doesn't have a lot of details,
but it at least is a new policy direction
and it screams out two things to me.
One, is that UFOs are real and they are physical objects,
two, they're not ours.
All right, Jeremy, you have had your eyes on most of the videos
that we're talking about tonight, long before
they ever went to Congress, your thoughts on all of this?
I'm highly encouraged by this report,
mainly I'm encouraged by the disappointment from the public,
people wanted more substance, more information,
they don't have any videos in the public report,
but what that shows me is that pop culture is grabbing on to this
UFO mystery,
and they're agreeing and the military is saying,
"We should study this phenomenon scientifically,"
that's what the report says. This requires study.
George ,I think you probably know better than anyone
as an investigative journalist how secretive the government can be
on the topic of UFOs.
Why the sudden rush to transparency here?
it's a combination of events that this overnight success
actually started about 26 years ago here in Las Vegas.
Robert Bigelow, businessman created his own independent UFO think tank
that got the attention of Senator Harry Reid,
who a decade later got $22 million to devote
to a secret program that studied UFOs and related phenomena,
that there was a corollary program that existed
in the Pentagon that collected information
including some of the videos that we're going to see tonight,
and it came spilling out in The New York Times in December 2017
and it's rolled like a snowball ever since.
I want to talk about technology a little bit here at the top,
you know, in this report, there are 143 unidentified,
you know, instances, a lot of those were made with real high tech stuff.
FLIR is one of them, a forward looking infrared,
how does this kind of technology differ from other sensor systems?
Right, so we're living in a different world now
where we have corroborative video and thermal evidence,
so it's not just a pilot saying,
"Hey, I saw a UFO, it did some amazing maneuvers."
Now you have, as you said, forward looking infrared
which is a thermal camera, you have night vision
which amplifies light.
We also have radar and also just corroborative sensor data
that is not released to the public,
they all tell the same tale about UFOs.
Okay, can I play devil's advocate here for a moment?
Uh, let me put on my skeptic hat,
we've got 143 unidentified objects
or instances here in this report,
a skeptic might say, "Well, they're unidentified,
you know, despite all this high tech equipment
in the FLIR and the radar.
We don't know what these things are,
they still look blurry and fuzzy."
What do we say to that?
Well, more than 80, more than half of the cases
in that report are confirmed by more than one sensor,
so they've got a pretty strong indication that these are
physical objects, they appear to be manufactured objects,
they have some kind of propulsion system that we do not understand.
And what about the possibility that these objects are,
you know, from our own planet?
Could these belong to a foreign government and adversary?
That's also addressed in here and they have to leave those options open
in the report, they say, could be foreign made technology,
although we have no evidence of that.
Could it be secret American technology?
Yeah, but there's no evidence of that either.
But that's a big question, right?
Could this be a technology that comes from us, you know,
the US military, the most advanced military in the world,
do we have the technology to create objects like this?
We do not.
-[chuckles] -Not that anyone I've ever talked to,
I've been pretty far, far up the food chain
and no one says that this is our technology.
Okay, a lot more on this tonight obviously,
one of the simplest takeaways from the report so far
that you're going to be hearing a lot about tonight
is the term of UAP, which stands for unidentified aerial phenomena,
it is the official somewhat fancier government name for UFOs.
But until that catches on, you're going to be hearing both terms tonight,
and right now, we are going to hear from our co-host
Jessica Chobot who has an exclusive live interview. Jessica.
Thanks, Josh. We have got a lot of questions to address tonight
and our first guest is here to help get some answers.
Joining us now remotely is counterterrorism subcommittee chairman,
André Carson, who led the classified briefing on UAPs
for members of the House Intelligence Committee.
Good to see you, Congressman Carson.
What a pleasure, thank you.
Thanks for being on the show, so I'll jump right in,
what, why do you feel that the report was important enough to push through?
Well, I think for me, you know,
that this is a national security priority.
If there is technology out there that we can't explain
that has huge implications for the safety and security of the American people,
you know, for many years,
I've been urging our intelligence community
to take UAPs, commonly known as UFOs
more seriously for this very reason,
so, I'm very pleased that we're moving in
the right direction on that goal.
Awesome. So were you pleased with the results of the report?
I mean, you mentioned you were moving towards the goal,
but are you pleased with the report itself?
Well, I was pleased that the DNI issued a public report on this issue,
obviously, the content of the report shows
that we need to do a lot more research and investigating.
Even though this report didn't give us all of the answers.
It's very significant because it represents a big shift
in the way our intelligence community handles information.
So, what part of the report stands out the most to you?
You know, I think the size and scale of the reporting
on UAPs is the most significant.
-Mm-hmm. -The DNI report clearly outlines an initial baseline
for the sheer number of UAP events.
There were 144 reports of UAP events
from government sources
and 80 of those reports involve multiple sensors
that detect the UAP, so that's a fairly sizable number.
Um, you know, it's not a one off.
So, once, you know, it's not a, it's not
a once in a blue moon phenomenon.
Something is going on here
and we all know how to explain it.
So with that being said, then what do you personally believe the UAPs are?
Well, I'll say this,
I, I think we have a lot more investigating to do
before I can answer that confidently.
Mmm-hmm. But I think a lot of us,
a lot of folks like me, um, would like to say that we...
we suspect if there's extraterrestrial life,
but, you know, the intelligence community says we can't completely rule
that out, but it's clear,
we have to do a lot more digging.
All of the stakeholders have to come together
and put aside any preconceived notions about UAPs
and really engage in a very good faith effort
to study the potential security threat, obviously,
so we need teams of experts across the national security space
and across the intelligence community as well
as civilian reports really studying this issue.
Taking input, and I think making very sound conclusions
about what this could be, whether it's a threat to our national security
And where I believe I can be the most helpful
is by encouraging more research and informing the public as much as we can
about these findings.
Well, it's been great talking to you.
Thank you so much for your time, sir.
-What an honor. Thank you. -Thank you. Josh.
Thanks, Jessica. Well, we have a packed show tonight,
including an interview with former White House Chief of Staff,
John Podesta and stunning just released video
from the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Omaha,
It is just one piece of the incredible footage
that we're going to be reviewing tonight
as we unravel the identity of these unidentified objects
and during the break, hit us up on Twitter
using the hashtag UFOs Declassified Live,
send in your questions, your comments, your photos,
heck, send in your UFO footage if you've got it.
It's a big night and we are just getting started, so stay tuned.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified Live,
I'm Josh Gates.
In addition to being a former White House Chief of Staff,
John Podesta has been a longtime believer
in the possibility of extraterrestrial life,
to discuss the latest revelations in the Pentagon UFO report
is John Podesta.
Thanks for joining us, sir.
Good to be with you, Josh.
Well, look I know that you have been calling
for the release of this kind of information for a long time,
so you must be relieved that this report has come out,
having read it, what's your takeaway?
Well, I welcomed it.
Uh, it answered a lot of, it gave us a lot of information,
but it opened up more questions than it answered.
Right. And I know you have said for a long time
that that really all of this information should be declassified,
there is a classified version of this report,
there's also video, we know that the Pentagon has not released.
Do you believe still that all of that should come out?
Yes, and I think the American people would welcome that.
Uh, we know that the United States government
has had 144 encounters
with unidentified aerial phenomenon since 2004,
and they can only explain one of them.
So, let the public look at this data,
look at the video, let scientists chew on it
and I think we'll learn a lot more about
what the, what these UAP phenomena really is all about.
You famously tweeted in 2014 that you felt that one
of your greatest failures was not securing the release
of this information during the Obama administration,
why do you think it's so important
that the public get a look at this?
I think the public really is very intrigued by
whether there is life and whether these UAPs
are examples of that and there's just tremendous popular interest.
Uh, and I think that the, the government really has
an obligation not to hide it,
uh, not to, not to pretend that it doesn't exist,
not to be embarrassed by it, but just put the information out, let people see it,
understand it, debate it.
And considering we have now in this report, 143 examples
of what seemed to be technologically advanced
something that has been detected.
Does this represent an intelligence failure
on some level that we don't know what these objects are?
Well, look, I think for a long time,
there was just a stigma involved in even discussing this phenomena.
-Right. -And so I think people look the other way.
And I'm glad now as a result of efforts, really heroic efforts,
particularly by former Democratic Senator Harry Reid
to push this out into the public.
The Pentagon's taking it seriously, they've created a UAP Task Force,
the Navy and Air Force both have programs,
but again, I'd like to see this more on the civilian side,
led by civilian scientists, so that we don't have this cover of classification,
uh, hiding a lot of information from the American public.
Well, I'm sure there is much more information to come on this front.
Thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it, sir.
Thanks for having me on.
You know this latest round of UAP sightings generates a lot of questions,
none more important than friend or foe,
are these UAPs friendly or could they be set on doing us harm?
And regardless of whether they're an earthly adversary
or extra-terrestrial, how prepared is our military?
[pilot] Oh, my gosh, dude.
[Jim] Something is out there and we don't know what it is,
people start seeing unidentified flying objects
and they're coming over a military bases,
and we don't know what to do about it.
I wonder if we are not in some ways less prepared
for this problem than we were 70 years ago,
the facts are that we have unexplained aerial phenomena
that are penetrating our airspace,
we don't know what they are.
We don't understand their capabilities,
they seem to defy the laws of physics as we know it.
[man] Lift off.
The United States Navy has admitted that there are
objects which they do not know what they are.
So whether or not there's enough data in all of these videos
is not the key point.
The key point is the US Navy admits
that they can't identify the objects.
[Jim] It is definitely displaying technology in order
of technology well, well beyond we have here.
Uh, how do we take that?
Uh, I don't know, I mean, do we see that as a threat?
Are we ready, are the world governments ready?
Is the United States ready to defend itself against this threat.
We've never seen anything like it.
The amount of G forces they contain,
we don't know whether they're piloted
or remotely controlled or their drones.
-[pilot] What was... Splash. -Splash.
They seem to be especially concentrated,
where there are nuclear facilities
there are nuclear tests, or there are nuclear
propulsion systems in the military.
It's been reported these things accelerate through the sound barrier,
but without a sonic boom.
This implies almost a new physics
in terms of defining a threat.
The military sometimes use the equation
capability times intent equals threat.
We don't have one of the values,
the capability looks really, really impressive.
The intent remains completely unknown.
Well, joining veteran investigative reporter George Knapp
and documentarian and UFO expert Jeremy Corbell
on the panel,
our former member of the British Ministry of Defense Nick Pope
and former CIA officer Jim Semivan.
Welcome to you both. Thanks for being here.
-You're welcome, Josh, thanks for having us here. -Absolutely, I'm,
I'm intimidated and terrified of you both.
All right, let's, let's get into some questions here,
the report found that there was clustering around military assets.
So, Jim, do you see this as intentional targeting of our ships and facilities?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
You know, we had an incident in 2019,
where they were close to what 50 to 100 UAP swarming
and nine vessel, I mean, nine vessel warships
uh, you know, were they interested in what?
Surveillance or were they, be interested in being threatening,
uh, we don't know that for sure.
[Josh] I've also heard reports about this kind of clustering
happening around nuclear sites is that true?
Absolutely and we have them around nuclear sites,
nuclear missile sites, nuclear testing facilities,
and we also have them around our intercontinental ballistic missile sites.
And, you know, you look at this and you say, well, you know, what is this about?
I mean all this has been well documented,
but they appear to be strongly interested in our nuclear technology, that's for sure.
Sort of terrifying to hear.
-It is terrifying, yeah. -Uh, Nick,
you brought up something really interesting in the package
we just watched.
I wanna make sure I get this right, you brought up
the equation capability times intent equals threat.
So, you know, one of the alarming details in this report
is that if the data is accurate, the capabilities of these, of these objects
seems kind of off the charts.
Can we really know their intent?
No, we can't.
If this was Russia or China,
intelligence officers would have a fair idea,
but if it's something unknown, possibly extraterrestrial.
We have no idea.
Therefore, we can't define the threat
and if you can't define or evaluate it,
hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
So, okay, well, let's say that they do have
these tremendous capabilities and that we don't know what they are,
I mean, if that's, if that's the case,
shouldn't President Biden be hiding in a bunker somewhere, Jim?
I mean, I'm getting nervous here.
Well, not necessarily, I mean, you know,
in 1940, '47, the Air Force came out and they said,
"We don't deem UAPs a threat."
And there's no evidence to we have right now
that they're an existential threat to this country
or and to anybody else.
So, at the moment, they seem to pose more of a hazard
to aviation than they do a threat to the military or to the country.
Let's talk about technology here, Jim, do you,
do you see these UAPs as being more advanced
than our top of the line stealth arsenal?
Oh, I think absolutely, absolutely, you know,
stealth technology is all about low visibility,
it's like not being seen.
Well, these things are UAPs on steroids.
I mean, these are, I'm sorry stealth fighters aircraft on steroids.
They seem to appear and disappear instantaneously.
So, you have to ask yourself, I mean,
are they using a cloaking device, what are they doing to get this?
I've even read, Nick, that some people have theorized that
our own stealth technology is somehow based off
of these UAPs, that feels a little farfetched to me,
what do you make of that?
Well, I don't know if we got stealth technology from UFOs,
but UFOs seem to be using it and one of the really interesting things
in the report to Congress is the phrase, "signature management."
These objects are taking active measures to suppress
their radar signature making it more difficult for us to track them,
there's an intelligence at play here.
All of this is so fascinating.
Uh, I was just informed that we are trending on Twitter
which I think speaks to the fascination
that people have with this topic,
I want to check in with my co-host Jessica Chobot,
she is an investigator in her own right.
Tonight, she is digging in with a very special guest to get some answers. Jess.
Thank you, Josh, with me right now is former F-16 fighter pilot,
Tracy Latourette, to give us her insight on a pilot's eye view of these phenomena.
So, Tracy, a common theme when discussing these UAPs
has been that they are more advanced than our military's finest.
Our US stealth aircraft is highly regarded though
and our foreign adversaries also have stealth technology as well,
So can you please give us the rundown on these different types of craft?
You bet, Jess, so the term stealth refers to an aircraft's ability
to avoid detection by radar,
we typically hear stealth and think of, well,
most often the B-2 Spirit or the F-117 Nighthawk,
this is the bomber, this is our fighter.
The great thing is we've been able to take lessons we've learned
from the employment of these two aircraft and design
the latest fifth generation stealth technology
which is at the end down there,
the F-22 Raptor and not shown
our F-35 Lightning II.
So, that's our latest and greatest,
but we're not alone.
-Mm-hmm. -We're not the only countries that have these,
the Chinese have the Chengdu J-20,
The Russians have the SU-57,
so it's important that we continue to stay ahead of the competition,
we're always looking for emerging threats.
Interesting, so what puts the stealth heads and shoulders above the rest?
Well, I think that's really one of the best things
about our nation, is not only are we, do we have these great aircraft
that have proven time and again
that they're incredibly effective.
But, we never give up, we never rest,
we're always pushing the envelope.
In fact, this technologies, or, I'm sorry, that F-22 and 35 technology
-is 20 years old. -Yeah.
-So I would love to know what is classified, -What's going on?
-what's behind the curtain. -[laughs]
-Something's happening. -Oh, for sure.
Well, can any of these aircraft actually move like the UAPs
we've been capturing and seeing?
I haven't seen any of them move exactly like that,
but we do have some that have some thrust vectoring
that does allow them to do some interesting maneuvers,
but it's still very different than, than what we're seeing tonight.
Interesting, all right, well, thank you for your insight, Tracy. Josh, back to you.
Thank you, Jessica and Tracy.
Next up, we have got one of the most incredible videos
responsible for the compilation of the Pentagon report,
it is called the Tic Tac video,
and you will not believe how this thing moves.
Plus, we've got that amazing, newly released footage from the deck
of the USS Omaha,
when our broadcast continues
and tweet us using the hashtag UFOs Declassified Live on Twitter
and share your close encounter stories.
We'll be right back.
[Josh] Welcome back to UFOs Declassified Live,
well, based on our poll, it looks like 66.7% of you
do not believe there is any evidence of hostility
with recent UFO sightings.
Peace loving aliens. The other 33% of you, Mars Attacks.
Welcome back to the show, uh, I am really excited that you're all here,
we're having an amazing time going through the recently submitted to the public,
Pentagon UFO report.
Uh, joining us now, we have a very special guest here joining our panel,
we have got our resident F-16 fighter pilot Tracy Latourrette,
welcome, thank you for joining us.
-Thanks for having me. -Of course.
So, as we just saw, the report that was just delivered to Congress
leans heavily on the accounts of military aviators.
Of course, that makes sense.
They are equipped with the best surveillance technology around
and footage captured using this high end gear
is difficult to dispute.
Get ready for this, the following was captured using FLIR,
forward looking infrared in 2004
on the USS Nimitz in San Diego, check it out.
All right, Jeremy, walk us through what we are looking at here.
[Jeremy] Right, so, this is FLIR footage which is a thermal footage
who was Commander Chad Underwood
who was tasked out towards the tic tac object,
remember there were a lot of Tic Tacs dropping in
from 80,000 feet down to sea level
in less than a second and a half,
incredible speeds, but they caught one of them,
and this is footage of that, and you'll see at towards the end
of the footage, it does shoot off to the left end
that the tracking pot, it's outside of the tolerance of it,
so it can't hold it at the end.
Incredible speeds are demonstrated at the end of this video.
[Josh] Absolutely, remarkable stuff,
so I have to take this over to Tracy at this point,
you're the only one here at this table who really knows what it's like to fly around
in a fighter jet, let's say you see one of these things,
what do you do? what's your, what's your response?
Well, what you do, it depends, right?
That's always the answer.
But the first thing is always going to be inserting
just a split second pause that allows me that critical moment,
to become aware of the critical details
in the surroundings, assess the situation
and then act in accordance with my objective.
So, in this case, that means that I want to identify
whether or not this is a friendly target
or a friendly or if it's something else,
and whether or not I'm able to identify that,
the next thing is going to be,
"Do I see any kind of hostile intent?"
-And luckily, I don't see any here so... -All right, well, that's good.
As a pilot. Have you ever seen anything like this?
I have never seen anything like this, so it's pretty exciting.
Okay. Wow. All right, George,
I want to turn to you for a moment here.
I've heard people refer to a kind of checklist of authenticity
when it comes to UFOs, the four main criteria being
footage, eye witnesses, radar, and propulsion.
For you, how many boxes does this footage check?
All of them. I mean, we've seen the footage.
The whole world has seen that footage is,
and is impressed by it.
The witnesses are the most trustworthy people,
they're naval aviators, best fighter pilots in the world,
all credible people with top security clearances,
the propulsion system is the question mark.
All we know that it is that it's not ours.
Jim, any chance that what we're seeing in this video
is a top secret US military project?
Yeah, it's highly unlikely,
it would be absolute folly for one branch of the military
to introduce a new technology into a active military exercise,
in this particular case, a navy exercise,
it'd be too much chance for error and mistakes to be made
and the Navy hierarchy in this case would never have permitted it.
Tracy, just to give me some sense of this,
how advanced would this object have to be
to be up there competing with our own,
you know, stealth aircraft and jet fighters,
I mean, compare the two for me.
Well, I think, to be able to move as abruptly
and as fast as this object does,
it has to be significantly more advanced
than our fifth generation technology,
but as I mentioned before,
that's been around for 20 years,
so I'd have a hard time believing that there's not
a whole lot of advancement going on at those highest classified levels
and, remember, none of us are allowed to know everything.
So...
But, does that mean that you think this could be something
that's US military or no?
I think that the level of classification
that we have protects us.
And, so I think that it's possible.
It is possible, George, one of the things that really jumps out at me
about the Tic Tac video is that it comes from 2004.
Why do you think it took 17 years to catch
the public's attention like this?
Well, it actually came out, it was leaked,
somebody shot it off a screen and it got put up on an obscure website
then quickly taken down and in a couple of years later,
there was a behind the scenes study that was done
that interviewed all the pilots, collected all that information.
It wasn't until Jeremy and I started talking about it in early 2017
that the public was starting to catch on.
And then The New York Times got the video and it exploded,
they put it on the front page, I think that is why that story went all over the world.
Amazing stuff. All right. Coming up,
an exclusive interview with the airmen who captured
the footage of the Tic Tac and later,
we will be sharing riveting footage of a recent UAP sighting
you do not want to miss.
And we'll be speaking to the man who released it,
the guy sitting next to me, Jeremy Corbell,
as our experts continue to examine the evidence
and arrive at their verdict.
Adversary, alien or something else?
And let us know what you think.
We're trending on Twitter, so please continue to hit us up
using the hashtag UFOs Declassified Live,
send us your UAP pics and footage.
Be right back.
[Josh] Welcome back to the show, our live poll shows that folks
are pretty divided on what the tic tac video actually shows.
We've got a real split opinion on this front.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified Live.
I'm Josh Gates and joining me on my esteemed panel of experts.
Our UFO aficionados Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, and Jim Samivan.
Okay, so before the break, we saw this Tic Tac video.
It is a remarkable and compelling piece of evidence
suggesting to some that there could be extra-terrestrial life.
The footage was captured back in 2004 by former Navy airman commander Chad Underwood
who actually coined the term Tic Tac UFO.
He has never spoken publicly about this incident, until now.
Now, Jeremy, I understand that when Chad spotted this,
whatever this was, the systems on his aircraft actually jammed?
Yeah, his optics and weapon systems were actively jammed.
Okay. This is amazing stuff, let's take a look.
Declassified videos and authentic Department of Defense footage.
[man] Splash.
[man on radio] There's a whole fleet...
[Josh] You should have been able to target it,
you weren't, that is a indication of active jamming, is that correct?
-Yes. -Wow.
Once I got the target of interest on my radar.
I took a lock, and that's when all the kind of the funky things
started happening.
The erratic nature of the Tic Tac,
the airspeed was very telling to me.
Then we started seeing what we call jam strobe lines,
strobe lines are vertical lines
that show up on your radar that are indications that you're being jammed.
[indistinct radio chatter]
Interview, uh, I got to ask first, first off,
how did you get Chad to speak out about this?
He's been really reluctant to do that.
Right, so, Commander David Fravor is the man
that chased the UFO to United States military,
this same UFO is when that Commander Underwood
was able to film and he hasn't talked,
-I like to believe I have a charming personality. -[laughs]
American can decide for themselves,
but, also just, you know, we became friends, we became friends over time
talking about this, I'm just curious, I wanted to know.
Look, his aircraft was actively jammed.
What that means is the UFO was sending a signal to actively jam,
which are tied into his weapons systems,
that is an act of war under normal circumstances,
even though this is highly abnormal.
George, this is your first time seeing this video, what do you think?
Game changer?
Chad Underwood oozes credibility, like David Favre,
likes Alex Dietrich, like Ryan Graves,
these naval aviators are the best pilots in the world, we trust them,
we trust them to fly these multimillion dollar planes,
we trust their judgment.
We give them top secret security clearances,
so when they tell us that something is amiss up there,
that this is a genuine UFO and I've never seen anything like it.
I believe them.
Jim, as our clandestine expert here.
Are you surprised that Chad came forward?
Yes, actually, I am, given the taboo associated with reporting UAPs,
he's very brave to do this, very courageous to do this.
[Josh] Right, because a lot of pilots,
they see something like this.
The last thing they're going to do is
-Talk about it, right? -Exactly.
That could be damaging for their career.
It could be a career killer.
Even in this UAP report that was
released last week, it notes
there's still a stigma attached to this.
Even though the navy two years ago
changed its policies, and tried to encourage
pilots to go ahead,
if you see something, say something.
a lot of them won't do it.
All right. Lots to think about here.
Let's go to Jessica and Tracy
for a closer look at the tic tac video.
Thanks Josh.
Tracy, as a former fighter pilot,
what makes the tic tack video so compelling?
I think the tic tac video is interesting because it's not
like anything most pilots have seen before.
And when you look at it, it's in one spot
and then kind of pulls away.
But you can see that he's working really hard
to maintain the lock.
And that suggests that just as we heard there may have been
some active radar jamming.
And that is definitely something that's going to get my attention.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, at the end of the tic tac video,
like you said the craft zooms off here
kind of to the left.
is it possible that the pilot banked to the right
inadvertently and created his own illusion?
That's a great question.
Actually, if you look in the center
of the blue line there,
you can see what looks like the little aircraft,
higher above it.
-Uh-huh. -Up there, yeah.
We call that the flight path marker.
it's straight in line with
what we call the horizon line
on either side, and that's not in a bank.
So, what we're seeing is that the aircraft
is fairly straight and level,
and that suggests to me that that object is actually
doing exactly what we think, it's zooming off on its own.
That was a great explanation.
Obviously I don't know how to read radar.
So, is there anything else on this screen that we should be
paying attention to? What does it mean?
I think an interesting thing here, you know, we're looking at
infrared technology.
And down in the lower left, you can see it says WHT.
It's blurry and hard to see, but that means
we're operating at this moment what's called a white hot.
If the object is white, that means it's hot.
That's what we expect to see from an aircraft because
the engine shows hot, so it would show white.
Very interesting. Thanks again, Tracy.
Josh, back to you.
Thanks, Jessica and Tracy.
Coming up, we have got more incredible information
to share from the pentagon report
and breathtaking video that checks all the big boxes.
it is not to be missed.
And stick around as our experts
are drawing ever closer to their conclusion.
Adversaries, aliens or neither?
And don't forget to share your thoughts,
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Welcome back to UFOs Declassified Live.
Just five days ago, the intelligence community
and the public at large received
a long-awaited government confirmation of UFO activity.
I'm joined by our panel live in Las Vegas
to discuss the headline making pentagon report.
Okay. Let's go back in time, Jeremy,
to Roswell, the grandaddy of all American UFO stories
in 1947.
We've got a 57-year gap between that
and the accounts that we see in this pentagon report.
So, why this gap?
I assume there must've been UFO sightings in that intervening time.
Yeah, that's interesting. So, the report is going
just from the tic tac UFO case and then forward
because a lot of the censored data that they have
and they wanna work with the military data
is in those years.
But UFOs have been consistent all the way through.
Why do you think Roswell
continues to capture our imagination?
Because it did in the first place.
Because the United States military admitted
they had a crashed flying saucer.
They turned it around the next day.
but there was a moment they admitted it.
[Josh] George, can we talk about Area 51?
You were such a key player
in breaking that story wide open.
What is the connection between Area 51 and Roswell?
The story of Roswell has been muddied over the years
and I think on purpose.
The first story came from the U.S. military.
They said a flying saucer crashed out there.
Then they changed it to, it was a weather balloon.
Then they changed it again to a super-duper double
secret probation weather balloon.
It was hard to get a good handle of what was out there.
But if you had a crashed flying saucer,
if you're trying to take it apart,
reverse engineer it, figure out how it works,
where would you take it?
I would say the top of the list
would be area 51 because it has been
the location of choice
for testing all kinds of top secret platforms.
The U-2, the Black Bird, the stealth fighter
were all developed out there.
I've interviewed two dozen witnesses or more
who over the years worked out there
and said they've seen something that sure
looks like a flying saucer that we were taking apart,
to figure out how it worked, not building it.
Incredible stuff.
I want to pore over some of the language
in this report with you, Jim.
It says, and I'm quoting,
"Some UAP, maybe, technologies
deployed by China, Russia,
another nation, a
non-governmental entity perhaps.
So, what does a non-governmental
entity constitute?
I was not really sure what they meant by that.
There's a possibility they meant either
a terrorist organization or perhaps
a rogue private corporation.
But in my opinion, I think it's
highly unlikely that China, Russia,
or a non-governmental entity is behind UAPs.
Could this be just the case of an individual, Nick?
I guess I turn to you.
How do we know these UAPs aren't,
you know, some kid with a drone?
Because I'm sure that's what a lot of skeptics
would put forward, right?
All the drones we have out there and we've seen problems with drones
at airports and other places.
Could that be what people are seeing?
Well, I think drones might explain some sightings, but not all.
the report says there are multiple explanations for UFOs.
We know what drones look like.
We know what kind of heat signatures
some of them give off, what radar returns.
And this is not drone.
There's something else at play here.
Right. Drones are not giving fighter jets
a run for their money typically.
Absolutely. Again, it's the capability here.
It's running rings around our best cutting edge technology.
So, if whatever these are are extraterrestrial,
if there are aliens out there and they are,
as they would have to be here a technologically advanced species,
then chances are they come from what is known as
a Goldilocks planet where conditions
for life are just right.
With more, here's Jessica
and renowned astrophysicist and author of Quantum Life,
Dr. Hakeem Oluseyi.
Thank you, Josh.
Dr. O, we know our universe is vast
and there are more planets beyond our solar system,
so let's talk about life on those planets.
To say our universe is vast is an understatement.
This representation right here shows galaxies.
We think of galaxies as being
the basic building blocks of the universe
and there's 2 trillion galaxies
in the observable universe.
Now, each galaxies has on average 100 billion stars,
so that's 100 billion trillion stars
that we're talking about.
And what we learned from the Kepler satellite,
is that star, when they form,
planet formation is a side effect of star formation.
So, just about every star has planets.
So, we're talking about multiples of a hundred billion
trillion when we're talking about planets.
So that's a lot of opportunity for life in the universe
and for technological life to come about in the universe.
That's amazing. Tons of opportunities there.
So, I know there are different types of goldilocks planets.
So, let's talk about the ice covered ones.
What makes it so special?
So, when we look for life away from earth,
we have a phrase, and that phrase is,
"Follow the water."
What we see for ice covered worlds,
like we have right here
we have these in our own solar system.
Enceladus and Europa, are moons,
that have ice on the surface,
and the ice is miles thick.
But under underneath there's a liquid water ocean.
And what we know about life,
based on the work of biologists and astrobiologists
-of the last 20 years... -Mmm-hmm
...is that life starts in the absence of light and oxygen.
So, life could get started on a place just like this.
Okay, and so, then what about earth-like exoplanets?
Yeah. Now we're getting to planets
-that are more like ourselves, right? -Yeah.
So we're talking about rocky worlds.
And these rocky worlds have a surface.
And on earth's surface, that's where we have a lot of water.
Now it turns out that one of the most common type
of earth-like planets is what we call a super earth.
They're more massive, bigger and gravity is stronger.
so, there is a life form that
comes into existence there,
it's going to be a lot stronger and a lot shorter.
So, think dwarf Incredible Hulks.
That's amazing.
All right, so tell us then about...
What are habitable zones?
Right, so the habitable zone,
is kind of an old idea.
because we thought about the habitable zone as where life may form
and where life may be found.
But like I said, we now know
that life is not formed.
And what this has to do with is
how far away the planet is from its star
so it can have liquid water on its surface.
Now...
What this doesn't tell you is what's the light conditions
on the surface of the star.
So, here on earth something really special happened.
Whereas most planets
where you're going to find liquid,
they're going to be under thick atmospheres
or miles of ice, or miles of rock.
On earth we have a transparent atmosphere.
So, we have an ocean, with early life in it,
you mix it up and shine energy on it
-for four billion years, what do you get? -Mmm-hmm.
Eventually, that life learns to use that light
to create oxygen,
which is deadly to early life,
but it allows and sets the stage for life like ourselves.
So, a habitable zone
is where you can have an explosion of life
that can lead to intelligent and technologically advanced life.
So, someone flipped the lights on and it's go time.
That's right. After a few billion years.
After... Yeah. Give or take, yeah.
Thanks for your time, Dr. O. Josh, back to you.
Thanks, Jessica and Dr. O.
Now turning from science to science fiction.
One of the longest running and popular tv shows
in sci-fi history was The X-files.
The show's creator, Chris Carter spoke candidly
about the Pentagon report and the possibility of
life beyond earth.
People asked me what I believe
in the UFO phenomenon and alien abduction phenomenon,
and I'm kind of a hybrid of Mulder and Scully.
Like Mulder I want to believe like that poster on his wall,
and like Scully, I want to see the science.
Uh, I'm skeptical by nature.
For me the videos are exciting.
That on modern equipment and with modern technology
We are capturing something
that is out there, and it's behaving
in a strange and mysterious manner.
This is a really exciting time
We may or may not learn what these things are,
but I think it's... recent studies and recent sightings
have pushed things forward.
i think our reactions to the UFO videos are healthy.
The pilots, for me, seem unimpeachable.
What they gathered from their avionics
or radar seems beyond doubt
that they saw those things.
and that their reactions to them are real.
[man] Oh! Got him!
[Chris] So the X-Files, and the subject matter and UFOs
are being some credence that they might not have had before.
You know, I believe that we don't have answers.
I believe that we're searching for answers.
I believe that there are the possibility of alien life out there.
Like Carl Sagan who actually said,
you know, "There's more chance than not."
And now we've discovered since the '90s
there are these exoplanets revolving around their own suns.
The chance is even greater now there is life on these planets.
The truth is out there. We've asked for your tweets,
photos and footage. Let's see who answered the call.
Artemis here says, "Do you think we'll meet
actual aliens in our lifetime?"
Nick, what are your thoughts on that?
I hope so. I think ours will be the generation
that makes that discovery whether it's through
-science or UFOs or both. -Fantastic.
Asked and answered. Don't be shy about sending us
your questions using the #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
Josh, take it away.
Well, coming up, we will be screening the entire footage
that got the entire pentagon report rolling.
Plus our experts will debate the origins of the UAPs
when UFOs Declassified: LIVE returns.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm Josh Gates. Personally, I have been blown away
by what we've seen so far.
And man, we are just warming up. There is so much more.
Earlier this year, the pentagon confirmed
that one of the most intriguing UFO videos on record,
footage of a mysterious triangular airborne craft,
sourced by our own Jeremy Corbell here back in 2019
is indeed authentic.
Check this out. This is the pyramid-shaped UFO.
All right. Walk me through this, Jeremy.
-What are we looking at? -[Jeremy] Sure.
So, George and I obtained and released,
this is night vision through a night vision binocular on board of the USS Russell.
There are pyramid-shaped UFOs, numerous of them.
Three of them were about 700 feet.
They are slow and go with the ship.
[Josh] Oh, look at that. It's not just one object. It's multiple objects there.
[Jeremy] Right. One is blinking and there's been
a lot of thought about that, is this just the UFO blinking
or is this reflection from a surface
and the blinking is something from the ship.
We don't know. But these are pyramid-shaped UFOs,
swarming a Navy warship, USS Russell.
[Josh] Absolutely incredible footage.
It's just mind bending because you look at it and you think,
"What am I looking at here?"
[Jeremy] Confirmed by the pentagon not, only filmed by our military,
but also to be included as an unknown unidentified.
They're UFOs and they're admitting it.
Okay, so this footage gets even crazier
because as amazing as this is,
this footage was taken by the USS Russell off the coast of San Diego
at the same exact same time, nearby the USS Omaha
detected its own swarm of unidentified objects.
Take a look at their radar and give a listen to the reaction
of the military personnel. This is amazing.
[man 1] If you can ride a general that long where we're at.
The number of contacts you got, speed meters off.
-Yeah. -Roll that position to us.
Eyes up, eyes up.
[indistinct radio chatter]
781 just sped up to 46 knots, 50 knots,
closing in.
38 knots, what the [bleep] is that?
-That one's pretty much perfectly 000 relative, right? -Yeah.
263 in three miles.
55 knots speed.
All right. This just makes my head hurt because, you know, I have to say
I am a skeptically minded person, but I look at the pyramid footage
and I think, okay, that's intriguing.
Then I look at the radar from the Omaha nearby.
Now I really don't know what to think.
And it gets even crazier.
I'm going to show you now flair footage taken from the Omaha.
It's a different view of one of the UAP involved in the radar swarm.
Give a listen to this. It is really exciting.
Omaha, across the possibility to launch kilo ASAP.
We're splashing apparently.
-Keep going, bro. -[indistinct chatter]
We're making that [bleep].
Yeah, it's coming down.
We got some water up there, six foot twelves.
Well, it's getting close.
Damn, we have uh, 31 knots sustained, wind topside, gusts of 40.
-It splashed. -Splashed. Bearing a range.
-So, it goes in the water. -Yeah.
It's suspected that it goes into the water like a transmedian vehicle.
They're not exactly sure, but they did send out
-a submarine to look for it. -So walk me through this term
'cause I've heard this before, a transmedia vehicle.
This means it can be in the air and underwater.
Right. So something that can penetrate the space
between air and sea without disturbance,
without destruction.
It's just remarkable to see it do that.
Nick, is it possible that what appears to be an object going into the water here
is some sort of, I don't know, stealth technology, optical illusion?
Well, I wonder if it isn't like the old magician's trick,
if doing something with one hand,
but the real action is going on in the other.
And, I mean, this is extraordinary.
But in 2018, the defense intelligence agency wrote to Congress
about a number of studies being undertaken under the Pentagon's A-tip program.
And in there were all this advanced theoretical physical concepts
such as warp drives, worm holes and invisibility.
And we mentioned this submarine, they did send a submarine
-down to look for this thing? -Yes, 'cause understand.
This was a swarm. There were multiple UFOs across many ships.
And so when they see this one that goes or appears to go into the water,
they wanted to find the wreckage of the craft.
I have to say, as compelling as the report is,
this sequence of this flair footage, the radar footage,
the night vision, it's just so interesting.
Okay. And also, unidentified objects,
they are not just something that are appearing in the United States.
Up next, we're going to investigate UAP sightings from around the globe.
Plus, we have got some phenomenal new footage
from the deck of the Omaha which checks all the boxes.
And maybe the final piece of evidence our experts need
to nail down whether these UAPs are adversary,
extraterrestrial or something else entirely.
And later, we'll be joined by none other than the head of NASA.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm your host Josh Gates.
The footage of pyramid-shaped UFOs may be relatively new to many of us,
but actually pyramid videos have been around for quite a while.
In fact, our own George Knapp
smuggled some pyramid UFO footage out of Russia several few years ago.
Let's go to Jessica and the man himself to talk about it. Jess?
Thanks, Josh. George, let's talk a look at your pyramid video
-and you can tell me about it. -Okay.
So what have we got here?
This is a huge pyramid-shaped object, not triangle,
but pyramid that was shot over the skies of Latvia in 1968.
It ended up in the ministry of defense.
Russia's ministry of defense had giant files on UFOs
that I tried to access in the early '90s.
You might recall during the early '90s,
Glasnost, Perestroika, that country was undergoing a lot of changes
and I thought maybe there's a window of opportunity
to find out what the Russians know about UFOs
and also, what the Americans know about UFOs from the Russians.
And we went over there with the help of a Russian physicist
who had government contacts.
He put us in touch with ministry of defense officials and intelligence officials
and they told us about the biggest UFO study in history.
It was ten-year long study.
The whole Russian military was part of it.
They had collected tens of thousands of reports, including videos,
and I was able to get some of that material,
-classified as it was, and bring it back. -Very interesting.
I wanted to zoom in on this a little bit so we can get a better view.
Oh, I need that to go. Ooh.
No, my zoom is not working.
So, how did you manage to smuggle this out of Russia?
I think I'm gonna be vague about that
-because someday I might want to go back to Russia. -[laughs] Nice.
Yeah, but it was a very tense moment, I'll just put it that way.
But they consider this to be a genuine UFO
because of some of the characteristics of how it flew,
even though we don't see it in this film clip.
But it was part of a gigantic cache of information
that the ministry of defense collected over a ten-year period.
-How long ago was this particular footage taken? -That's 1968.
Latvia which was sort of part of the USSR back then.
The USSR crumbled and the Russians took over,
but that was in their files.
So obviously there's been video documentation
of pyramid-shaped UFOs for over 50 years.
Why do you think people are only talking and paying attention about it now?
It's kind of a combination of events.
You know, there's always something more important in your life,
the economy, your family, whatever, you know, politics.
And now we've had such an avalanche of UFO coverage by main stream media
that it's caught the attention of the public in a way
that I never thought I would see in my life.
That's great. Well, right now we're going to do a side-by-side comparison
of your footage and the footage from 2019.
So let's pull that up.
So what I think is really interesting about this
is over here from Latvia, you kind of have a beveled edge.
It's all by itself and it's kind of staying perfectly still.
Over here, you've got multiple shaped UFOs
or multiple triangle-shaped UFOs
as well as the fact that it's pulsing.
Yeah, this guy, the pyramid over here
brought his buddies along with him.
If you notice, if you watch the footage close enough,
they're not traveling all at once.
It's not a reflection, those two different objects
are paced at a different pace than the main object that we see that's flashing.
This guy came by himself.
Would you say just off the top of your head,
could they potentially be related
and this is just a more advanced version of whatever this was?
Yeah, that's a good thought.
I mean, it was 30 years in between, so it's possible, 40 years in between,
so it's possible that the same kind of technology is reflected in those film clips.
Interesting. I'd say yours holds up.
Thank you very much, George. Back to you, Josh.
Absolutely incredible stuff. For the kids watching at home,
don't smuggle UFO videos out of Russia.
It's a bold move, George.
Look, the fact he was able to smuggle this footage out proves this next point.
These UAPs, they are a worldwide concern.
So far we have focused on sightings
off the Florida and California coast here in the United States,
but the phenomena extends all around the globe.
Let's take a look.
[Nick] UFOs are a global phenomenon.
While the current spotlight is on the United States,
there is more to this than just those three U.S. Navy videos.
[man] My gosh.
[man speaking other language]
[Tom] I think when it comes to UFOs, it's a global issue.
It's a humanity issue. What I've seen with other countries
is pretty interesting. Every country for the most part
has their own UFO program. They're much more open
with their population on these things than we are.
But we're really kind of waiting for us to take the lead.
I think it would be safe to say that most world governments
have encountered this UAP phenomenon without a doubt.
It appears everywhere.
[Jim] But we can't predict
when they're going to appear,
why they're going to appear
and where they're going to appear.
But we do know that there are some governments,
particularly in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru,
France, the UK, Australia,
all of these countries
have information on these sightings.
[Keith] It seems very simple to say
"Why don't all the countries of the world cooperate,
be friends,"
and until there is a global
acknowledgment of the threat,
it seems unlikely that there will be significant cooperation.
Incredibly enlightening stuff.
I think it begs the question also,
if these UAPs are being spotted around the world,
does that bolster the theory that
perhaps they're extraterrestrials.
Joining us is Nick Pope.
Nick, let me ask you this, these global sightings,
are they largely similar?
There are similarities, yes.
Um, in shape, in sudden accelerations,
in the ability to go through the sound barrier
with no sonic boom.
I mean, this is a global phenomenon.
Everything I know from my government work
tells me there are sightings around the world,
programs usually embedded in DODs and air forces,
and if anyone says, as skeptics occasionally do
why aren't there any sightings
in this country or that country,
it's usually because the politics,
the language, the culture.
The sightings are there, we're just not hearing about them.
You know, one of the most mind boggling
international sightings that I've ever seen
is this sighting from... from Puerto Rico.
Take a look at this.
We have this incident where we have this object is being tracked
and it is flying along.
Jeremy, tell us a little bit about what's going to happen here.
[Jeremy] Well, what you see is like a trans medium vehicle.
it's a vehicle that goes from the air through the water
without decelerating at all.
it also at one point splits in two.
And this was filmed by the, uh...
Homeland Security was the original place it was filmed from.
So, it's a pretty astounding piece of clear footage.
[Josh] This moment where it appears to beak in two, though right here,
this is really astounding.
The object literally-- It's like a magic trick.
We have this one object that suddenly becomes
two objects just in the blink of an eye.
[Jeremy] It was highly studied
and the fact that it moves through the water
without deceleration that again shows that
trans medium characteristic that UFOs are known for.
Because most objects that are travelling at a high speed,
that are aerial, they hit the water, it over right?
They slow down, they stop.
There's a huge amount of drag and friction.
This thing keeps going.
That's right. And that's due most likely to the propulsion system itself.
Any evidence this footage could be doctored?
This footage? No.
-[Josh] Do you see any evidence of that George? -[George] No.
The STU, a really reputable organization,
they did an analysis of this over several months,
they studied every frame of it,
they believe it to be legitimate
and they don't have an explanation
for how one object splits into two,
and they're both still flying under some controlled circumstances.
You know, one of the things here in the Unites States,
historically has been that our government
has been tight lipped about UFO activity.
I'm curious, as we talk about these global sightings,
how is this handled in other countries around the world?
Most of them seem to follow the United States model.
Our allies certainly follow that.
I think the UK takes its cues from the US.
That they say one thing behind the scenes
scenes and something else to the public.
That certainly was true for Russia.
They told their people for decades,
that this was a capitalist plot.
Pay no attention to these UFOs.
Behind the scenes they were studying it,
-for very practical reasons... -[Josh] Right.
...trying to figure out how to make their own.
One of the things I saw, I went to Chile a few years ago,
and they had a program there that was actually quite open to the public.
They were encouraging people to come forward,
encouraging pilots to come forward.
I think whether you're a believer or skeptic,
just for the sake of national security
or the sake of anybody who gets in an airplane,
surely there's got to be real value to encouraging people
to report these things.
Here's the thing,
we're in a race for this technology.
United States wants it. UK wants it.
Russia wants it. China wants it.
And the first nation to figure this stuff out wins.
All right, well, thank you everybody, very informative.
Coming up, our panel of experts
will be breaking down more key videos
as we debate whether these UAPs are
adversaries, extraterrestrials
or something else entirely.
And later in the show, we are going to learn about
arguably the most groundbreaking cosmic discovery
of the century.
Plus we'll hear more from the producer and creator of The X-Files.
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[Josh] Welcome back to UFOs Declassified Live.
Looking at our twitter poll,
a whopping 89.4% of you
believe that there is life outside our solar system.
We're winning over hearts and minds tonight.
Uh, welcome back to the show. I'm Josh Gates.
We are getting closer to the final verdict
on the Pentagon's groundbreaking report.
Bow this next piece of footage checks a lot of boxes.
In 2015, on the USS Theodore Roosevelt,
the navy captured what's come to be known as
"Go fast" video, off the coast of Florida.
Check this out.[
[indistinct radio chatter]
[man] Whoa! Got him. [laughing]
-Whoo-hoo. -[man 2] Roger...
Are you [bleep] see in this?
What is that?
Can you track? It's a moving target.
[man 2] No, I took an autotrack.
[man 2] Oh, okay.
Oh, my gosh, dude. Wow.
-[man 2] What is that? -Look at it fly!
[laughing]
All right. Well, joining us on the panel now
is former director of the CIA office of technical service.
Please welcome, Bob Wallace. How are you, sir?
It's an honor to be here, Josh.
Well, it's an honor to have you here.
Uh, you know, let's start with this.
What... what is the likelihood
that a foreign adversary would be developing
technology like this without the US knowing it.
Josh, if we were doing our job, we would know it. Right?
That's... That's the whole purpose of intelligence.
It's, uh, find out what the adversary is doing,
find it out soon and get it to people
who can make the decision.
Now, with respect to UAPs specifically,
if I could use this illustration...
Uh, this piece of paper represents all possible
information about UAPs.
Okay. This dot represents what we know.
So, I caution us against being too arrogant.
Wow, amazing.
We really blew our budget on that visual aid there too.
But I take your point. We don't know much at this point.
There's a lot we don't know.
Uh, so, okay, we've got eyewitness testimony.
We've got video. We've got radar.
We've got movement. We've got propulsion in this last video.
I mean, this one seems to check all the boxes.
I turn now to Tracy, our resident fighter pilot here.
What do you make of the "Go fast" video?
What jumps out at you?
I think the video is incredible.
As fighter pilots we think that we're fast,
but this object looks like it is going super-fast.
So, that's what I wanna talk about here.
Compare it for me to a fighter jet,
you know, how difficult is it to even track an object like this?
Well, you can see it looks like they're working pretty hard
to get a lock.
And at first glance we might think that it's many objects
going across that particular screen.
But when I look closer, it looks like they're trying to grab it
and then it breaks lock,
and then the radar slews black,
and they try again, breaks lock and slews back.
And then eventually, it's able to bind
around the object and you can hear the Wizzo saying that
he went to auto... auto track mode
to auto slew onto it.
Right. And I love asking you this question.
Have you ever seen anything like this?
I have never seen anything like this.
I love hearing that, you know, because you know, you are the one
up there that should be able to identify this stuff.
And it's so mind bending when we hear that we don't know what this is.
George, how important was this video,
to the compiling of the Pentagon report?
Well, it's another brick in the wall.
You'll recall the "Tic Tac" was the first one
that was officially released,
and that the New York times reported on,
then Gimbal, then Go fast.
And uh, taken altogether,
it certainly paints a picture that someone out there has got some technology
far beyond what we've got.
All right, I want to understand this video
a little bit more.
So, let's check in with Jessica and Dr. O
to bring us up to speed on propulsion and movement. Jess.
Thanks, Josh. Dr. O, we're throwing around a lot of words
that aren't everyday terms.
So, let's start with g-force.
for example, traditional known vehicles versus the UAPs
that we've been seeing, a la the "Tic Tac."
What is g-force, exactly?
So, when a body... If you're in a vehicle,
-and it changes direction... -Yeah.
If it speeds up or slows down,
you will feel what is like a force.
And that is due to a change in your state of motion,
and we call that acceleration.
So, we look at a race car.
it has a top speed of 246-miles-per-hour.
But if the car is going at a constant speed,
it's not accelerating.
So, it doesn't matter how fast you're going, you don't feel forces.
But if it accelerates,
-and this accelerates 6gs, you feel the force. -I see.
So, a g is a gravity equivalent.
So a person in this vehicle will feel six times their own weight
pressing on them.
If you're in a F-117,
it's top speed is 684 miles per hour.
But it's top acceleration is 9gs.
that means the pilot will feel nine times their own body weight.
And you can only survive that a short time.
Really? So, zero to nine, that's what's gonna hit you.
-That's what you're gonna feel. -Oh, yeah.
When you're in a car that goes really fast
you get pushed back in your seat...
-Yeah. -That's a g-force.
That's an acceleration creating a force on your body.
Now we talk about an F-16.
-Mmm-hmm -Look at that top speed.
1,500-miles-per-hour.
Much faster than the F-17 but the same maximum acceleration.
-Okay. -Right?
So inside your body...
your body is designed to be upright in gravity.
So, that determines where blood goes.
And so, if you accelerate too fast
it's going to go where it's not supposed to.
So, then, how many gs can the human body
withstand before it can't withstand it anymore?
It depends. It's a matter of the g-force
and the amount of time you experience that g-force.
Mmm-hmm.
So... And it also depends on your training.
So, a fighter pilot, for example,
may hit 9 gs over the course of their career
over and over and over again.
But, you know, regular people like you and me,
who are untrained...
Well, I could survive it but the average person couldn't.
Well, I almost passed out on The Mummy ride at...
-You know, it's fine. I wouldn't make it. -Might've been fear.
It... it was definitely that too.
So how does this all compare with the Tic Tac?
Now, what we have...
If we take these videos at face value,
and say this is a vehicle,
that's changing speed this rapidly,
that gives us data.
'Cause look at those g-forces.
-Yeah. -Five thousand.
No living creature, that we know
that's macroscopic like ourselves could survive that.
So, that would say that if we take it at face value,
is there a being inside there,
and if there is, what is the trick that
-allows them to survive. -Yeah.
Or maybe it's their drone, or maybe it's a droid,
-a robot, who know. -Exactly.
-Interesting. Excellent. -Thank you.
-So much fun to talk with you Dr. O. -Yes.
Josh.
Well, thanks very much, Jessica and Dr. O.
let's see what our followers on Twitter have to say at this point.
Uh, HOOV says,
the public deserves to know the truth.
UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
I agree. That's what we're doing here.
Talking about this report.
And important to know there is actually a classified version of this report
and I agree with you. The public does deserve to know what's in it.
Uh, Jenner2112 writes,
"The fact that so many UFOs are witnessed around military,
maybe they're trying to get them to stop doing something."
Interesting idea.
That maybe they're not here to hurt us,
they're here to protect us.
Kind of a Day The Earth Stood Still point of view.
And then Random Bits says,
"UFOsdeclassifiedlive. Josh is wearing a suit?
Is he the alien?"
-That's, that's right. You found me out. It's me. -[crew laugh]
Listen, I wish I could wear this suit all the time,
uh, but you try crawling through an Egyptian tomb wearing this.
It's not pretty.
Uh, anyway, be sure to rocket your tweets our way
using the hashtag ufosdeclassifiedlive.
Coming up we have got more authenticated UAP video
and I will be speaking, this is a big one,
with the head of NASA, Bill Nelson.
Then we'll look at the discovery
that may answer the question,
is there life outside our solar system?
When UFOs Declassified: Live continues.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: Live.
I'm Josh Gates. I just found out we are the number three
trending topic on Twitter.
Please keep those tweets coming.
If we get to number one, they're gonna let me keep the suit.
Uh, before the break we're discussing the mind altering
go fast UFO footage taken aboard
a navy jet fighter from the USS Theodore Roosevelt
off the Florida coast in 2015.
Now, this next UAP was caught on camera
in the same year from near the same location.
Check out the motion of this craft.
This is the Gimbal UFO.
[pilot 1] It is a [bleep] drone, bro.
[pilot 2] There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.
[pilot 1] My gosh!
They're all going against the wind.
The wind's 120 knots out of the west.
Look at that thing, dude.
That's not an [inaudible] though, is it?
[pilot 2] That's not one of ours, is it?
[pilot 1] Well, if there's a-- [pilot 2] Look at that thing!
It's rotating.
Well, joining Jeremy, George and Bob on the panel is
-our resident astrophysicist, Dr. O. Good to see you. -Thank you, sir.
-Bringing some science to the desk. -That's right.
Okay, let's talk about this,
What's your first thought upon seeing this Gimbal video?
Well, I'm trained as a physicist.
So when I see any data, my first thought is, "I don't believe it."
-[Josh laughs] Skeptical. -Right. I don't take it at face value.
We have to take the data
and validate it and then make scientific
measurements that are actually rigorous.
So I don't have this data in my possession
and so I can't really say anything about it
'cause I haven't taken it through that process.
Do you think we can explain
just looking at it, how this craft moves and rotates?
You know, it's difficult to do to disentangle
because you have many moving things at one time.
You have the moving object.
You have the moving plane or whatever platform is taking the data.
And quite often if you're locking on
that means that you have something else moving separate
from the actual vehicle that it's mounted on.
So, you have to disentangle all this stuff and it's complicated.
But if you take it at face value
as I said before,
you see some interesting aerodynamics.
Absolutely. Now, Jeremy, on the clip we hear a voice say,
"There's a whole fleet of them."
Now is that just eyewitness saying that?
Do we have data to back that up?
Yeah, absolutely. But a lot of it is gonna be classified and not gonna come up.
But I can tell you with 100% certainty,
and some people have been exposed to it.
There was a fleet in front of this.
And, by the way, this object-- Listen to the pilots.
They have got some of our best sensors.
It's moving against the wind.
It's rotating. You can hear what they say.
But there were other objects that
were with the Gimbal and the Gimbal has unique propulsion
as it goes forward, changes
and starts to reverse direction in the end.
Bob, any chance what we're looking at here could be fake,
do you think?
Absolutely, there's a chance. I think it's a small chance.
Now, this comes from credible sources, credible sensors.
So, the video itself, I think,
authentic, absolutely.
Now what it means is a different question.
I'd like to say
I've seen the rabbit come out of the hat many times.
And is the rabbit in the hat?
It depends where you're sitting in the audience
to know whether the rabbit's in the hat or not.
George, how important was this Gimbal footage
-to the Pentagon report? -Oh, it was hugely important.
I mean, you know, like Dr. O said
we don't have a lot of the data.
We don't have the object itself to examine.
There is signals data and sensor data that
as Jeremey said we're probably never gonna get to see.
But what we don't see in that is wings
or rotors or any kind of known propulsion system.
We don't see any chemical kind of a trail coming out of the back of it.
How does that thing stay up? How does it fly?
All right. Also I think, for me,
just the enthusiasm that you hear in the pilots' voices.
I mean, they are just agog looking at this thing.
To me that is really compelling here as well.
You've just got-- You know, these guys are freaking out.
This is something they had not seen before.
They were starting to see UFOs on a daily basis on the east coast.
Cubes. Cubes with spheres around them.
Things are completely non-aerodynamic.
This is one representation of many sightings and encounters.
All right. So speaking of pilots like we hear in this video,
let's check in with Jessica and our resident fighter pilot
Tracy LaTourrette for a closer look at the Gimbal UFO. Jessica?
Thank you, Josh. Tracy, on the Gimbal footage
there is so much going on with the numbers and the initials
that it's hard to know what to actually focus on.
So, what are the most important elements of this video?
Well, there's... We could talk all day on
-what we're looking at here. -Mmm-hmm.
But if you look at the image itself,
the fact that we're able to actually lock onto something
tells me that it's not just a light phenomenon or something.
So, obviously there is something very interesting there
and obviously it's hot because we're in black hot mode.
Uh, if you look at the aspect of the object
it could suggest a tail aspect of an aircraft.
Although, you know, that's debatable as well
because it might be shaped a little bit differently looking at the back.
Okay, so as if it was traveling away from us.
-Mmm-hmm. -Understood.
Right, and then, finally, you hear them talking about the fact that
-it appears to actually rotate. -Mmm-hmm.
That suggests not only awareness
but gives some indication of potential intent
because it looks like it's just observing
and luckily not showing us any kind of hostile intent.
-So, that's a good thing. -That's scary.
Well, you always have to think about that.
-Is this thing trying to kill me? -Yeah. Well, yeah.
-[Tracy chuckles] -Yeah. Okay.
Uh, awesome. [laughs]
That was a good talk. Awesome, Tracy.
Back to you, Josh.
All right, well, thank you, Jessica and Tracy.
When we come back, I'll be speaking with former astronaut,
senators and NASA administrator, Bill Nelson.
We'll also learn what 'Oumuamua means.
I'm glad I can pronounce it.
And later, we've got rare UAP footage
from the deck of the USS Omaha
that may help our panel of experts reach their verdict.
Adversary, alien or neither?
During the break be sure to hit us up on Twitter
using the hashtag ufosdeclassifiedlive.
We are continuing to pour over the Pentagon report
on unidentified aerial phenomena.
As the report indicates, there is not one blanket explanation
for all of them.
And that's why you are watching UFOs Declassified: Live.
I'm Josh Gates.
At this time we are honored to be joined by
the current head of NASA.
He has flown in space and previously served Florida in the senate.
Bill Nelson. Good to see you, sir.
Hey.
It's great to see you
and I'm always ready to talk about space.
Well, that's good. I'm glad.
We have a lot to talk about with the release of this report.
Uh, obviously you've read it.
What do you think is the most eye-opening aspect of this?
Well, I was briefed on this a couple years ago in the senate
-armed services committee. -Mmm-hmm.
And I had a chance to talk to the navy pilots.
You've seen the video now a number of times on TV.
They know that they saw something.
They tracked it. They chased it.
And then all of a sudden it would move from one location
to another in a split second.
Uh, now we know from the unclassified report
that there have been over 140 of these sightings
around the globe.
And so from the pilot's standpoint
they know they saw something real.
-Right. -Now we need to find out what It is.
So, that's why I've asked the NASA scientists,
look at it from a scientific point of view
and let's see if you come up with any answers.
And I think that's a good point.
There's an enormous amount of credibility here in terms of
these pilots. In terms of the people that witnessed
whatever these objects were.
If you take the report at face value,
what do you think it says about national security?
Well, we don't know.
Uh, we don't know if it's something
out of this world or if it is, uh,
a person that could-- An entity
that could be a potential adversary here on Earth.
-Right. -Now, our government is saying
this is not any technology that we are testing,
uh, therefore we ought to be concerned.
That's why we need to get to the bottom of this.
Right. Now a lot of people are speculating that these UAPs
could be extraterrestrial.
You yourself have flown into space.
You were a payload specialist during the shuttle program.
Do you personally believe that there is extraterrestrial life out there?
Well, let's separate the question.
Do I believe that these objects are ETs?
Uh, the answer is I don't know.
-That's why we're asking the questions. -Right.
Your second question is
do I think that there's life out there in the universe?
This is a universe that is
13.5 billion years old.
Uh, it is so vast we cannot even imagine...
Our minds cannot grasp the size of it.
Do I think that there's
another solar system in another galaxy
with another sun with planets
revolving around it
that might have a planet with a habitable atmosphere?
Of course, I do.
Do you think that this particular report,
which was generated by the Pentagon,
do you think that it should be shifted to NASA?
Should NASA have a permanent responsibility to,
you think, look into these sightings and to continue
pursuing this question?
No. The Pentagon needs to continue its defense function.
NASA needs to continue its scientific function.
And that's exactly what we're doing.
Terrific. Well, I can't wait to see what the Webb Telescope
and what NASA has in store next.
Thank you so much for your time with us today.
I really appreciate it, sir.
-Have a great day. -All the best.
Well, so far tonight we have focused on unidentified aerial phenomena.
Right now, though, we're going to shift our gaze to an identified
interstellar object that may be an indicator of life
in other solar systems.
This startling discovery was spotted
by Canadian astronomer Robert Weryk
from the Haleakala Observatory on Maui.
And since the object is the first of its type,
it was named after the Hawaiian word for scout.
This is 'Oumuamua.
Some of us have actually been predicting that interstellar objects
would come into our solar system.
We've kind of been waiting to see something like this.
[Robert Weryk] The year was 2017.
I was reviewing detections from the Pan-STARRS1 telescope
and I found what's now known as 'Oumuamua.
This comet is very different
than all the comets that we see on our solar system.
[Sarah Barker] We really expected if we were to see an interstellar object
that it would look like a comet.
'Oumuamua is at least five, maybe even ten times
longer than it is wide.
After 'Oumuamua was no longer visible from ground based telescopes,
we got very accurate positional information from Hubble.
And that allowed us to discover this non-gravitational deviation.
'Oumuamua came in at this crazy angle
and it was moving so fast.
Fifty-five miles per second.
[Robert] 'Oumuamua is some kind of comet or asteroid.
No one can tell for sure what 'Oumuamua was.
[Nick Pope] This could be a probe.
A civilization with millions and millions of years head start on us
could have built hundreds of these probes
and just let them loose throughout the galaxy.
And every now and then one would drift through a solar system.
And if they spotted an active transmitting civilization,
then the ship activates. Something wakes up.
Maybe a message is beamed back
to the aliens' home world.
It says we've discovered another emerging civilization.
Once that message is received,
then they're going to come in force.
Hopefully in peace, but maybe not.
[Sarah] There are plans to launch a mission into space,
have it just in a stable orbit just waiting
for the next interstellar object.
And once they spot it, they'll just be ready to get there.
[Nick] 'Oumuamua, it's a little disconcerting
that it got as close as it did without anyone seeing it coming.
What if we were facing hostile extraterrestrials?
Or what if this had just been a rock
but headed directly for planet Earth?
I mean, 'Oumuamua should be a wakeup call.
We missed the last one.
Let's not miss the next one.
All right, guys, I'm here With Dr. O.
So, Dr. O, in your opinion why is 'Oumuamua such an important discovery?
Well, there are certain things that we figure out in science
but we can't accept as true until we actually observe it.
For example, we figured out early in the 20th century
that planet formation is a side effect of star formation.
But it wasn't until the '90s
that we first saw a planet outside of our solar system.
Such that we can say, "Yes, there they are."
So, we have a good understanding now
of how a solar system is formed.
And what happens is it's a very chaotic situation.
So where we have four terrestrial planets today,
there were dozens of proto planets.
And as they interacted and collided,
some objects were thrown into the Sun,
some objects were incorporated in the planetary bodies
And some were sent flying out of our solar system.
How... How?
Like, how do they get--
How are they circling around
and all of a sudden one decides to just take off?
Yeah, so it has to do with gravitational interaction.
So, close calls will change a trajectory.
And if it swings around the Sun or, say, Jupiter, right?
And under the right circumstances it can gain enough momentum
to just slingshot right out of the solar system.
So, we expect that objects from our solar system
are flying throughout the galaxy
and objects from other solar systems are also flying throughout the galaxy
and on occasion they may enter our solar system.
-And that's what 'Oumuamua represents. -Okay.
Okay, the 'Oumuamua was actually discovered
using the telescope that's shown behind us.
That's right.
So, we found 'Oumuamua with the telescope on Haleakala
-in the Hawaiian island. -Very well done.
-Yes. Yes, I've been there. It's a cool spot. -Yeah.
Yeah, and so, the thing about an object like this
is similar to an asteroid.
So when we look at interstellar or interplanetary interlopers,
-they come in two main types. -Mmm-hmm.
Stuff that was once a part of a planetary body,
so it will be made up of metal or stone or rocky.
And stuff that never was.
So that's like comets or what we call carbonaceous chondrite, um, asteroids.
And so 'Oumuamua appeared to be a rocky body.
Most of the astronomers thought that perhaps it would be an icy body
but there was no evidence of that.
But you can... You see it has a shape here. It's long and thin.
-Mmm-hmm. -So what we do, we observe these things.
Now remember, the way physics works,
if this object comes into our solar system from a long distance,
it's like it fell toward the Sun from an interstellar distance.
-Yeah. -So it's moving so fast
that you can only get so much data.
And one of the important pieces of data we call a light curve.
Let's just look at its brightness over time.
So if you imagine a bowling ball, a bowling pin
flying through space and tumbling, right?
When you're seeing the long side, it looks bright.
When you're seeing the short end, it looks dim.
So, you can reconstruct the shape of objects
based on how they reflect light.
And also, based on the colors that they reflect,
you can figure out what it's made of to some degree.
You're so smart, oh, my gosh.
-Okay. Um... -[laughs]
What other discoveries
point to the possibility of life on other planets?
Well, so, here is the big
-controversial analysis that was done. -Uh-huh.
So, as different astronomers try to figure out
what is this made of,
an astronomer from Harvard,
uh, and his collaborators performed a study
where they claimed that it was way thinner
than what most of us read from the data.
And so, the conclusion was, "Oh, it looks something like a sail."
Now, what would that be?
And so, this astronomer just speculated
that perhaps it is a light sail from some alien civilization.
Now, most astronomers do not accept that interpretation.
I mean, that is a-- That is a...
-That is a leap. -That is a leap.
-That is a leap. Okay. -It is a giant leap, yes, yes.
But continuing with what your comment was,
so most don't accept necessarily that.
That's right. So, you know, there are some phrase that like,
you know, great claims require great evidence or something like that.
The evidence just isn't there.
'Oumuamua remains a mystery.
Interesting. Okay, so what is about 'Oumuamua's trajectory
that made people raise their eyebrows?
Oh, that is everything.
So you look, for example, at the planets,
there are these nice elliptical orbits that are almost circular,
but 'Oumuamua did something different.
It traced out a geometric figure that we called a hyperbola.
And that is like an unbound orbit.
And that told us it is not from our solar system necessarily.
Right? But the other thing that was really interesting
-is the laws of physics work really, really well. -Mmm-hmm.
So, we can predict the trajectories, right?
And so, if it was a rock, this is the expected trajectory.
But it did something different.
-Yeah. It shocked you guys. -Now that's not unusual.
-Yeah. -It shocked us, right?
It's not as weird as it may sound.
'Cause two things will change the motion of an object.
One is, sunlight actually applies a pressure
and air what's called the solar winds.
So that could change the trajectory.
And also when objects get near the Sun,
if they have any ices,
those ices would do what we call outgassing.
And that creates a force on the body
and changes its trajectory from a purely ballistic trajectory.
Awesome. All right. Well, speaking of outgassing,
back to you, Josh.
-Oh, unbelievable, Jess. -[Jessica laughs]
Jess, I could have you back in the jungles tomorrow.
[Jessica] Oh, no! I'm sorry.
When we come back, our panel of experts
rate their top UAP sightings.
Which footage checks all of the boxes for them?
And later, we'll hear from some Hollywood heavy hitters
about whether they believe in extraterrestrials,
When UFOs Declassified: Live returns.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: Live.
I'm Josh Gates, and I am thrilled to be joined
by our panel of experts, Jeremy Corbell,
George Knapp and Nick Pope.
And we are all here because of this.
We are discussing the Pentagon report
that just dropped five days ago.
And one of the really interesting take aways
for me in this report are these different buckets they use
to categorize the UAPs or UFOs.
So those categories are airborne clutter,
natural atmospheric phenomena, stuff that's just naturally occurring,
uh, USG or U.S. government, uh,
foreign adversary systems and other.
So let's talk about other or natural occurrences.
Jeremy, have you ever looked at a video or seen a UAP
and then later realized you'd misidentified something.
Well, all the time people misidentify things.
And the whole point is something is unidentified until it's identified.
Don't jump to conclusions.
Right. George, where do you think that your Pyramid UFO video
would fall in these buckets?
They would fall into the place where I get my mail,
-into other. That's where I live. -[Josh laughs]
I mean, do they look aerodynamic
to you if you're gonna build something?
Some kind of a drone, an earthly drone.
Would you make it Pyramid shaped? I wouldn't.
[Josh] Exactly. Now, Nick, looking at these different categories
which is more, you know, concerning?
-Foreign adversary systems or other? -Other.
It's a little word but it's a scary word in this context.
You can pick up the phone and talk to your adversary through diplomacy.
We can't talk to these people if...
Who are whatever they are. We don't know.
Personally, I would go with airborne clutter,
but I'm afraid of birds.
Uh, okay, listen, based on these incredible videos that we saw tonight,
let's talk about your top UAP sightings and why.
Let's just go rapid fire down the line here.
What about for you, Jeremy?
My favorite is 1989 Bob Lazar right here in Las Vegas, Nevada.
But after what we've seen tonight,
it's the cases that I've worked on.
So the USS Omaha and all the corroborative sensor data
and information and visual evidence
that George and I have been able to provide to the public
makes it one of the most robust cases we've ever had with UFOs.
Right. 'Cause it's not just one piece of footage.
You've got night vision, you've got radar,
you've got FLIR, it's kind of the whole package.
And you have now footage from the deck of the Omaha.
Exactly, okay. So, George, what about you?
For me it's the Tic Tac.
I think it's the most important UFO in history.
Because of what it is meant to where we are now.
I mean, the credibility of those witnesses,
the pilots, Dave Fravor and others,
they've gone before congress with the help of two former intelligence officials
Luis Elizondo and Chris Mellon.
Who gave up government service to push this ball down the field.
That video is what sold that story.
It got The New York Times to cover it,
60 Minutes to cover it,
and it was the reason that we have a UAP task force.
Certainly changed the game.
Absolutely. And, Nick Pope, what about you?
I'm gearing for Gimbal.
When these normally unflappable pilots get excited,
I get excited, too.
But look, there are a lot of UFO videos on the Internet.
But what makes these really stand out, and Gimbal's part of this,
is that the Department of Defense have put it on their own website
and issued a press release to say it's genuine.
So, we've got the provenance of it.
I'm with you. The Gimbal video for me is really the most...
the most intriguing just because of how these unflappable pilots,
these guys that normally have this right stuff attitude,
they are just freaking out for lack of a better term
about they're encountering up there.
There's something about that that just makes it so compelling.
All right, so let's check in with Jessica
and our ever expanding Twitter feed.
Thank you, Josh. Here's what's happening over on social.
Bring it up. All right. Joseph writes, [reading].
Jeremy, you want to take that one?
Yeah, I think we can handle. We know we can handle.
We have a right to know, a need to know
and I feel a duty to find out the truth about UFOs.
All right, thanks, Jeremy and thanks, Joseph.
Keep sending your clips and comments in using the #UFOsDeclassifedLIVE.
All right. Well, next up, we're going to dig deep
into our controversial history with UFOs.
Plus, we have that gripping footage from the deck of the USS Omaha
when UFOs Declassified: LIVE returns.
You're watching UFOs Declassified: LIVE. I'm Josh Gates.
As the pentagon report indicates, the public in general
has been hesitant to disclose UAP sightings because of the stigma
associated with UFO eye witnesses.
But research shows that these UAP sightings have been going on
for years and years. Take a look.
[Nick Pope] People think that with these US navy sightings,
some people think this is new, it's not new.
It's been going on since the dawn of time.
Myths, legends,these things, whatever they are,
have been seen throughout history.
[Jim Semivan] After World War II, the world was very different,
and we had exploded a nuclear bomb over Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
That changed everything.
Now, people start seeing unidentified flying objects
and they're coming over military bases
and we don't know what to do about it.
[Nick] One of the central pieces to the UFO back story is Roswell.
Something crashed in the New Mexico Desert.
From that moment on, two things happened.
Firstly the U.S. government knew that we're not alone,
and secondly, a vast conspiracy emerged
to cover this truth up.
Believers say alien spacecraft.
Skeptics say weather balloon.
Whatever happened at Roswell,
it's now so embedded in people's awareness as part of pop culture
and continues to fire people's interest and imagination.
And maybe what happened at Roswell was the start of all this,
at least the start in the modern era.
[Keith Melton] In 1953, the CIA created the Robertson panel.
It said that there was no direct threat from UFOs.
But most important, they said the real danger wasn't from UFOs,
but it was from thousands of UFO sightings
would overwhelm our reporting capabilities
and mask a soviet air attack.
And as a result, they made a concerted effort to debunk
and demystify UFOs
and any people associated with it.
If people watch closely, they'll notice we tend to use
the phrase UAP and not UFO.
It's just a way of getting rid of the stigma
that comes with the term UFO, and it's just a way,
this is really important, to get the senior stakeholder engagement
from within government, the military and the intelligence community.
Well, joining Nick Pope on our panel,
our former CIA officer, Jim Semivan
and intelligence historian, Keith Melton.
-Welcome to both of you. -[both] Thank you.
Okay, so, you know, when we talk about the history of UFO sightings,
they may well go back into pre-history.
But I think most Americans think of Roswell as the beginning of it all.
Why?
Well, actually the first major UFO incident took place one month earlier.
-Before Roswell? -Before.
When a private pilot flying near Mount Raniere, Washington,
observed nine flying discs in formation traveling
at speeds between Mach 2 and Mach 3.
The next day, it made nationwide headlines.
And one newspaper coined the term "flying saucers."
-That's where it all started. -It started there.
At least in our popular culture.
Why do you think Roswell gets the glory as it were?
It has become popularized certainly after 1970.
But from 1947 to 1970, very little was written about it.
Let's talk about area 51 and how that fits into the Roswell story.
There is no direct connection
between Roswell in 1947 and area 51 in 1955.
It didn't even begin construction until August of 1955.
And yet, they're always thought of in the same breath.
In the context that if there were technology,
foreign adversarial technology that would likely have been the place.
But actually at the time, it would have probably gone to Patterson air force base.
It would have been a much more likely scenario in that theory.
One of the things I found, Jim, interesting in the package
is you mentioned that the bombings in World War II of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
really coincide with the beginnings of a lot of these UFO reports.
Do you think there is an actual connection between these events?
Yeah, I think so. In 1945, a squadron of Hellcat Fighters
were trying to intercept a UFO that was hovering
over a han ford plutonium production facility in Washington state.
Now, they did this over three nights.
They went after these UFOs over three nights.
and obviously didn't catch them.
But this occurred seven months before the bombs went off,
before the atomic bombs went off in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And what this indicates to me is
that these UAPs were interested in our nuclear technology
at the very beginning of the nuclear age.
One of the things I read that sounded either outlandish or terrifying or both,
I don't know, is that some former air force personnel
testified not just that UAPs exist,
but that they have the capability to neutralize nuclear weapons.
Is there any evidence of that really?
Yes. And allegedly.
But there are a few instances where UAPs were seen
over ICBM sites and that they were allegedly interfering
with their launch activity.
Now this happened in Russia too,
it happened numerous times in Russia actually, so we have seen this before.
Nick, one of the things that is curious here is
we have talked in this country about UFOs,
certainly in popular culture for a long time.
But look at what we have now.
We've got this official pentagon report.
Do you think the release of this report changes
the perception in the culture around UFOs?
Completely. I think it was regarded as fringe.
It's now main stream. People thought about it in terms
of science fiction and conspiracy theory.
They're now framing it correctly as defense and national security issue.
So it's completely changed the narrative, yes.
Do you think that when people read in this report
that 143 out of 144 of these sightings are unexplained,
that they should be worried?
Yeah, I think it's like if you can't explain that many of them,
well, go back and take another look. Could do better.
Yeah, so you think people should be nervous by this to some extent?
They should. If there's anything in our skies,
particularly with these technologies,
then absolutely, we must be concerned.
And Congress is concerned. Hence the interest, continuing interest.
-This report is just the beginning. -All right.
Thank you very much. We're gonna take a break here.
When we return, we have got that must-see footage from the deck of the USS Omaha
and it is almost time to bang the gavel
and find out what the verdict is from our experts, adversaries,
aliens, neither.
And don't forget to share your thoughts on UAPs on Twitter
using the #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
We'll be right back.
[Josh] Looking at our poll, when asked, "What's inside area 51?"
Looks like a pretty tight race
between an ET spaceship and military equipment.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm Josh Gates along with UAP/UFO experts,
Jeremy Corbell, Jim Semivan and Nick Pope.
Now, as promised, we have brand-new footage
from the swarming event above the USS Omaha.
Get ready for this. We've already seen incredible radar and flir imagery.
Now, we have a brand-new angle on this same historic event.
Take a look.
All right, Jeremy, let's talk about this.
What are we seeing in this footage?
[Jeremy] Right, so you're seeing corroborative video evidence.
All the other videos that George Knapp and I have put out,
they've been confirmed
by the pentagon as being true unidentified UFOs.
Part of a study, what you're seeing here
is video footage from the USS Omaha.
You see the lights, they're lit up. That's really important.
It's the first time you're seeing footage of this.
[Josh] And so, how long did this event go on for?
[Jeremy] This is actually over a number of days
where it came to a highlight on the 15th of July, 2019.
[Josh] So, we see these lights.
We can see some blinking here. I know we have this flair and radar also,
but now we do know this isn't an aircraft?
How do we know we're not seeing a helicopter hovering?
Right, so this is well studied by our United States military.
It's part of the UAPTF task force, like, investigation into this.
This is a confirmed UFO sighting.
They don't know where they landed. They don't know where they took off from.
This is a true UFO case with great data.
There were 14 of these things at one point
around the USS Omaha, completely surrounding it.
They pop on and off radar over a period of several hours.
That one was recorded on the thermal images
that travel along with the ship for an hour.
Earlier I asked you what your favorite video from tonight is,
anybody want to change their answers?
I mean, how much of a game changer do you think this video is?
Altogether, this video is so important
because again, it supports an entire event series
as one of the most well-documented UFO cases of all time now.
And so, you know, taking all that evidence together,
it does seem really compelling, doesn't it?
-It is absolutely compelling. -So, okay.
You know, George, you've been at the forefront of this field for years,
what's your reaction to this video?
Well, it's important because you have three different forms of evidence to document it.
And I presume there are other cases like that,
that they are censored information that the pentagon has
that is too sensitive to release to us, to the public.
It is classified for a good reason.
As it was told to me by an intelligence official,
you can't tell your friends without telling your enemies.
So, there are good reasons for keeping some of this secret.
But this clearly is a pretty solid case.
Nick, how seriously should this incident be taken?
Very seriously. Something is toying with us.
It's like playing cat and mouse with us.
And I know some of us with governmental backgrounds
get accused of pushing the threat narrative here.
But come on, you've got to say when these sorts of things
get close to our U.S. military assets,
whether they're aircraft carrier, destroyers, maybe jets, whatever they are.
that has got to be seen as a potential threat.
Okay. We're going to take a break here,
but you're not going to want to miss what's coming up.
Our panelists will be delivering their final verdict,
adversary, extraterrestrial or neither.
Please keep launching your tweets our way with #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
More to come after this.
We are back with more UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm Josh Gates. For most of us, our only exposure
to the idea of extraterrestrial life has come from television
and movies from The Twilight Zone to Independence Day.
So, how does Hollywood compare to the real deal?
Hollywood has always been a teller of sci-fi stories.
I think for entertaining the audience about UFOs
and I think UFO movies play into our great ignorance of the world around us.
[Barry] One of the things that's always been out there,
did we create interest in UFOs or the fact that people
were interested in those things,
did we take advantage and create what our vision
of what those images would look like?
[Nick] There is an interesting conspiracy theory
that some Hollywood movies are actually part
of a government campaign to acclimatize people
to an extraterrestrial reality.
Hollywood has had a huge impact in terms
of how we conceptualize extraterrestrial life forms
intermingling with life on earth.
I have met people that I truly believe could be aliens.
When we would scout Men in Black,
we would drive around New York and look out the window
and go, alien, alien. It's possible they're here.
[Jonathan] Hollywood created the look and the sound of UFOs and flying saucers.
But it's really the movies of Hollywood starting in the 1950s
that give us the definitive image of those flying saucers.
And it's impact on our perception of UFOs
has been tremendous, probably bigger than any other media.
If used correctly, Hollywood is an incredible platform
to enlighten people.
I think it will make people want
to work on it, study it, understand it,
get people really interested and excited
about dealing with UFOs that are more than just a craft in the sky.
Hollywood has actually produced much better CGI video
than the Navy pilots have.
That's cause for some question in itself is that,
are we too now saturated with video CGI images
and has this now made us less likely to believe what we see?
Joining Nick Pope and I on the panel is our own Jessica Chobot.
-Welcome to the big desk, Jess. -I'm so stoked to be here.
Good to have you here.
Okay, let's talk movies. I know you are a major pop culture and movie buff,
by which I mean a huge nerd.
-Yes. -What is the best
extraterrestrial alien movie ever made in your opinion?
Ever made. Well, I've got a lot that I like a lot,
but I would have to say They Live.
-Oh, They Live? -Yeah, yeah.
John Carpenter. Amazing special effects.
-Questionable acting. -I don't think so.
-Come on. -It's a classic.
It is a classic. It is a classic.
Nick Pope, what about for you?
- Arrival. -Yeah.
Because I think it speaks to a lot of the issues
people are thinking about right now with this report to Congress.
I mean, it's not just about aliens. It's about us and our response.
Do we respond with hope or fear, with the hand of friendship
-or guns and bombs? -That's right.
I have to say it's kind of an impossible question.
There are so many great alien movies.
How about Alien or the greatest sequel of all time, Aliens.
I thought you were going to say Prometheus.
And I was gonna be like, "You gotta leave!"
-Not Prometheus, but the other ones. - [laughs]
I mean for me personally, when I was a kid,
I used to love really old sci-fi, I used to love The Day the Earth Stood Still,
Forbidden Planet,
I was a huge fan of Twilight Zone, the TV series
the reruns of that when I was a kid.
And I have to say, you know, The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street
and Nightmare at 20,000 Feet, Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up?
Those old, kind of, you know, Cold War era stories
that were also, again, speaking to people's fears.
That was the stuff that got me into science fiction and into this topic.
Because there is something about extraterrestrials
that's also very human. Does that make sense, Nick?
Yes, it does. We look out but at the same time, we look in.
It's not just about aliens but it's about us, who are we as a species?
How would we respond if we find out that we're not alone?
You know, one of the things that you mention in the piece,
Nick, is that some people believe that Hollywood,
you know, is part of a kind of conspiracy to acclimate us
to the possibility of an extraterrestrial arrival.
I'm not sure I put much stock in that.
-Do you think that's true? -No.
Not really to acclimate us to that
or even indoctrinate us to say they're a threat.
Bur look, I think that there are so many movies.
Some with good aliens, some with bad aliens
that it's a funny indoctrination campaign
if we're getting all these mixed messages.
Can I jump in really quick though and say
it's not the first time Hollywood worked with the government
to pull the wool over people's eyes. So who knows?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
- Argo. -Oh, Argo.
I thought you were going moon landing. I was getting very worried.
-No, no, no. -Don't go crazy on me here.
I'm talking about other times they made deals
with the U.S. to try to accomplish things.
-But not that. -Not that.
If this was a Hollywood conspiracy,
all movies would be E.T. right, they would all be warm and fuzzy.
We wouldn't have Species.
Or all the other way to ourselves.
That's right. That's exactly right. We'd be terrified by that.
We're going to take a break. A pleasure as always talking to both of you.
Okay, so what television show, movie, pop culture moment
do you think is the most accurate depiction
of what's really out there? Tell us now
using #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE on Twitter.
And after the break, I'll be speaking with the man
who is largely responsible for initiating the pentagon report,
former senate majority leader Harry Reid will be joining us.
And you won't believe what he has to say.
And our panel will reach their verdict
when UFOs Declassified: LIVE returns.
Welcome back to UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm Josh Gates. As you know by now,
information on UAPs became declassified this week
when the pentagon UFO report became public.
Right now, we're going to speak to the man
who many call the man the god father of this report,
former governor and senate majority leader Harry Reid.
Thank you for joining us, Senator.
Really my pleasure.
Look, I think a lot of Americans were pretty surprised
to wake up a few days ago to see the pentagon put out an official report on UFOs.
When you got the ball rolling on this in 2007,
did you think it would lead to a public report like this?
I didn't give it much thought frankly.
I was just trying to show that the occurrences of these UFOs
was not something that was a figment of someone's imagination.
They actually took place.
And as we know now, we spent $22 million of the government's money
and we proved that these are actual sightings
that people had for a long, long time.
So, I didn't know if they had cut out the report
the report frankly that they came out with is pretty sparse, pretty slim.
And I would hope that it is not one and done.
I think if we're going to do a good job on this,
we need to make sure the government is involved on it on a continuous basis.
And this slim, slim report is not good enough.
What do you think American should take away from this report
or what do you find most interesting in it?
Well, I'm glad the government is acknowledging
that there's something that needs to be looked into.
My concern is it was just so weak in facts.
If anybody reads this, they won't know much more
after reading it than before they started.
And look, the report doesn't specifically point
to an extraterrestrial origin for these sightings.
Do you think it exonerates foreign players though, China or Russia?
Could these be, you know, high-tech objects from other countries?
-I don't think we can eliminate anything. -Right.
I think we should have an open mind.
My personal feeling is I doubt that it is China or Russia or France.
But if it is, that's the way it is.
I just think technologically they're not that far ahead of us.
In fact, I don't think they're ahead of us at all.
And so, where do you think we go from here, senator?
I believe that we must continue working on this.
We, uh...
We don't know what they are.
But for us, now we have to walk away from with this slim report.
It would not be in keeping with,
what i believe is good scientific evidence.
We need to continue...
not worried about...
conspiracy theories and little green men.
We have to worry about... science.
What are they? We know they exist.
So, let's continue working...
scientifically to figure out what the hell they are.
Absolutely.
Senator, a pleasure speaking with you.
Thanks very much for your time.
My pleasure.
Well, great to get Senator Reid's input,
and if nothing else, the Pentagon report
has formalized a number of goals
for future UAP Research.
The Pentagon says they plan to standardize the reporting,
consolidate the data and deepen the analysis.
They intend to expand their collection of data,
and increase the investments in Research and Development.
Okay. So, Jim, let me start with you.
Do you think that's true?
Do you think that Congress will continue
funding UAP Research like the report says?
Oh, yeah. I think the cat's out of the bag.
and as long as UAPs are buzzing nuclear sites,
military installations and carrier strike groups,
you're going to have money for research.
So you think this is just the beginning of this?
I think this is just the beginning, yes.
Okay, so...
Time has come, moment of truth,
everybody here on the panel,
one of you is an alien.
No, that's not what we're talking about.
Given what we have learned tonight.
Experts, I can't wait to hear your take in all of this.
Do you believe that these UAPs are extraterrestrials?
Do you believe that they're adversaries,
foreign players of some kind or something else entirely?
We'll start with my good friend, Nick Pope.
What do you think man?
I'd love it to be aliens,
But i occasionally wonder,
if it isn't something more bizarre,
something for which we have neither the words nor concept.
So, uh, you think it could be something else entirely?
Absolutely.
Alright. Jim, what about you?
I believe it's a non-human technology.
-Really? -And I wish I knew who owns it.
Wow, that's incredible to hear from you.
You know, our intelligence clandestine guy here.
I mean, that's kind of remarkable,
shocking for me to hear,
-but that's what you believe. -Yes.
That it's something other?
It's something other, no question.
And you, my good man, what do you think, George?
Well, given that their technology,
that advanced technology that is still far beyond,
what we can do for, has been around at least 74 years,
I believe that it is non-human,
that could be non-human source.
that could mean extra-terrestrial,
it could mean inter-dimensional
it could mean something more exotic.
ultra-terrestrial, something as Nick said,
we don't know how to explain
but something lived here for a long time.
We need to investigate the unexplained,
not explain the uninvestigated,
and that's gonna take a permanent program.
Alright, we're going to need another special
to talk about ultra-terrestrials.
Im-- I'm-- Okay, good.
And that brings me to you, Jeremy.
What do you think about all this?
What's your final analysis here?
Some UFOs represents a technology
that outperform, outmaneuver, and outpace our greatest war planes and weaponry.
Some UFOs are not made by modern humans.
And the United States Government,
has in their possession...
some of these craft.
You believe that for sure?
I am certain of it.
Okay, let's go over .to the big wall.
Jessica Chobot, what do you make of all this?
Well, I'm not a scientist so I have no problem,
just going into the deep end of the pool.
Full alien.
I know it, Jess. you're a believer.
-You're a true believer. -Let's do this.
Let's do this, people.
Alright and standing next to the true believer,
the voice of science, Dr. O, what do you think?
Are you going to bring us down to Earth here?
Oh, I think it's all in the name.
whether you call it a UAP or a UFO,
it starts with U, which stands for Unknown,
and that's where I stand.
And, so I think we need more data.
Do you think there is a possibility that
there is an extra-terrestrial explanation for this?
I don't lean that direction for this phenomenon,
but there are astrophysicists who think there may be life
on our planet that we don't even recognize as life
because we don't have a broad enough definition.
So, I do think that the evidence
tells us that life is ubiquitous
throughout our universe,
but I think that intelligent, technologically advanced life
is exceedingly rare.
Alright so, one of the things we have about
in this report is what's not in it.
Right? There is a classified version of this report.
Do you think we're going to see more of this?
Do you think there's going to be additional material? declassified here?
Oh, there's certainly going to be more material.
George and i are going to make sure of that.
Oh, there's certainly going to be more material.
George and I are going to make sure of that.
Whether It's released officially or not, we don't know.
But it's coming.
And do you think that what wasn't included in this public report is,
for lack of a better word, juicy, Nick?
I'm sure. I believe there will be a lot of technological information.
For example, about the satellite imagery from DNI John Radcliffe mentioned.
So, that's something to look for.
But for sure this is the beginning of a journey here, this report.
This is not then end of the conversation.
We've been told UFOs are real and they require study.
That's what that report says.
All right, so much more to come.
Yes.
I have to thAnk all of you. What an absolutely amazing journey tonight.
What a panel. To some, this report represents an awakening,
The government finally addressing these UAPs that have been around for years.
And this represents a commitment to more research and investigation, a new day.
To others the report is a good first step, let's call it,
but that more transparency is needed to understand the truth.
And I'm sure that others still will remain firmly skeptical.
I know we've got some skeptics tonight who are probably unmoved
by these 143 unexplained events.
As for me personally, I just wish we had more time
because I have a lot more questions.
I want to thank Jessica Chobot and all of our esteemed guests
this evening for what has been an amazing conversation.
For UFOs Declassified: LIVE, I'm Josh Gates.
Good night from Las Vegas.