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- [Tom] My brother
Harry wanted to be more

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than just a great
singer song writer.

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He wanted to change
the world and he did.

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♪ It was raining
hard in Frisco ♪

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♪ I needed one more
fare to make my night ♪

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- [Ken] Harry Chapin was one
of the greatest storytellers

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of all time.

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♪ She got in at the light ♪

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♪ Where you going
to my lady blue ♪

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- [Judy] Harry was
that rare combination

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of somebody with a
conscience and an ability

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to write a good song.

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♪ She said 16 Parkside Lane ♪

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- [Pete] Not many
song writers know how

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to tell a story the way he did.

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Not many singers know how

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to get a story across
the way he did.

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♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪

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♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

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♪ When you're coming home dad ♪

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♪ I don't know when ♪

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- [Billy] When that
song first came out,

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a lot of people thought it
was a Harry Chapin song.

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It used to bother me, but
doesn't bother me anymore.

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Now I take it as a compliment.

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Because the truth is,

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Harry Chapin wrote
the best story songs.

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♪ My son turned ten
just the other day ♪

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♪ He said, thanks for the
ball, dad, come on let's play ♪

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- [Harry] I do about
220 concerts a year,

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about a hundred
which are benefits,

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about 60 of whom were
for World Hunger Year.

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I also do a bunch for the
Performing Arts Foundation.

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I also do about a half a
dozen a year for Ralph Nader.

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I've done a couple
so far this year

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for Citizens Action Fund.

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I also do things for
multiple sclerosis,

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muscular dystrophy, cancer
care, cystic fibrosis,

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and a couple of other things.

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If you get involved in things,

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you ended up by getting
involved in more things.

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- [Darryl] Harry made it
gangster to do something

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about things that need
something done for it.

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- [Bill] And that was Harry's
spirit indomitable spirit.

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He never gave up.

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- Steve Chapin.

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- [John] It was like he
knew that there was X amount

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of time left, because he
really did burn that candle,

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bright and fast.

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- [Harry] What's that
great line of Bob Dylan's?

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He is not busy being
born, he's busy dying.

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Luckily I'm one of these people.

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My credo was when in
doubt, do something.

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You're a little early, guys.

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Okay, big climax later
on, here's the story.

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♪ There you stand
in your dungarees ♪

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♪ Looking all grown up
and so very pleased ♪

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My mother always told
me it'd be like this.

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[girls giggling]

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- [Mark] To regard Harry as
merely a singer composer,

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which he was,

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is like considering babe
Ruth a pitcher, which he was.

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Both were that, but
far more than that.

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Harry quite simply was
the leading citizen artist

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of his generation.

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♪ And so you and I ♪

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♪ We watch our years go by ♪

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♪ We watch our
sweet dreams fly ♪

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♪ Far away, away,
but maybe someday ♪

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- Harry champion is an artist
who has been with us before

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with his guitar
and with his voice.

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- Please do it
for us, all right?

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- Love to.

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- Harry Chapin.

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- Once again, here
is Harry Chapin.

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[audience applauding]

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♪ It's a song for myself ♪

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♪ It's just a song for myself ♪

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- My mom had four boys
by the time she was 25

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with my dad, the jazz
drummer, Jim Chapin.

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The oldest with James, Butch
Chapin, and then Harry,

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and I was next, and
then brother Steve.

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But my mother and
dad divorced early.

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I was three, I think,
when they divorced

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because dad was a jazz
drummer and he was on the road

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and he loved drums and
he loved women. [laughs]

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It didn't work.

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♪ Keep your radio on, let's
have a big party W-I-N-S ♪

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♪ We can sing and have fun ♪

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We lived near here, West
11th Street, in the winters.

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♪ 1010 WINS New York ♪

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- [TV Commentator] As a fly
ball hit out to left field,

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Woodling getting under it.

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And the Yankees are champions!

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And look at Berra,
piggyback riding Kuzava.

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And then my stepfather
came in the family.

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He bought a brownstone
in Brooklyn for $16,000.

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- My mother Jean Elsbeth
Burke had six sons.

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Harry was number two
and I was number five.

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My mother had four
Chapins in two Harts.

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And she was an incredible woman

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who raised us all
basically as a single mom,

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because both of her husbands
were kind of not great choices.

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- We had the unfortunate,
or fortunate if you want,

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of having the storybook
evil stepfather.

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He was well meaning, but
unfortunately he couldn't handle

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four boys growing up
and it was a horror show

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of beatings and
all kinds of stuff.

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It just made us really tight.

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- [Jeb] We grew up in the school
yards and at Grace Church.

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Grace Church was crucial to us.

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It was really the foundation
of getting into music,

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of Harry, Tom, and Steve
getting into music.

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Big John Wallace, Bobby
Lamm, who we see in Chicago,

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was in the choir.

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- You know, going back to
the choir room and the piano,

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it really opened up a channel

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that I wouldn't
have otherwise had.

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- [Jeb] We kind of
grew up on our own

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out there in the world,
but the church and sports

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were the foundations
while my mom was trying

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to be a single mom and
work and have six boys

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that were all over the place.

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- Well, once we moved
to Brooklyn Heights,

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it was a school yard.

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The school and the school yard
were right next door to us.

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Our days were like literally
eight hours of handball,

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stickball,
ring-a-levio, stoop ball

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and anything with a
ball, any place, anyhow,

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it was just active,
active, active.

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- There's more family
history probably out here

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than anywhere else.

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- Because it's an older
place, that's why. [laughs]

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Well, this is every
summer, you know,

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we were kids and it was
like, yay, it's June.

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And we'd get here and then it's
barefoot, and it was tennis,

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it was the Lake.

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So this is my whole
life, every summer.

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- Andover was a kind of
ever-shifting feast of people.

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First of all, there was KB

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who was the presiding
patriarchal genius

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who appeared to me the most
brilliant man in America.

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- Harry never thought
about money growing up.

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He didn't have to.

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His family, while
not monetarily rich,

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they were rich in being
part of the intellectual

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give and take in the
country of being part

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of the American art history.

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And so Harry really never
had to think about money.

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♪ At first you seemed
just like my dream ♪

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♪ Of a finer better life ♪

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♪ Much more than
I could ask for ♪

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♪ In a lover or a wife ♪

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- [Harry] I was a
rich little poor boy.

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You've heard of the
poor little rich boys.

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People with a lot of money

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and very little
inspiration, very little.

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I came up with an
incredible family.

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No money, but I
never went hungry.

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But people who asked
the right questions,

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pushed and prodded you.

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- You had a mixture
of filmmakers.

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You have little Ricky,
who was making films.

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You have, Jim was bringing
out half of, you know,

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the Harlem left is coming out.

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It's just this constant
swirl of different kinds

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of people and experiences.

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All of them creative,
most of them on the left,

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one kind to another.

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- [Steve] Hey, if I were
Jewish then call it a mitzvah.

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For him to use his God
given gifts to do good.

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- [Sean] The thrust for us was
to find something in the arts

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that you spent your life doing.

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It wasn't about making a living.

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It wasn't about
making a lot of money.

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Wasn't even about
fame that so much,

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but it's something that
you've put into the world

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and put your life toward.

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- [Josh] There's a
kid out on my corner,

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hear him strumming like a fool.

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Shivering in his dungarees,
but still he's going to school.

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♪ There's a kid
out on my corner ♪

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♪ Hear him strumming
like a fool ♪

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♪ Shivering in his dungarees ♪

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♪ But still he's
going to school ♪

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- Harry was the can do.

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The family joke, which
I coined at one time

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and everybody loved,
was two's company,

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Harry's a crowd. [laughs]

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♪ Tzena, Tzena, Tzena, Tzena ♪

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♪ Can't you hear
the music playing ♪

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♪ In the city square ♪

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♪ Tzena, Tzena, Tzena, Tzena ♪

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♪ Come where all our
friends will find us ♪

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♪ With the dancers there ♪

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- My mother's sister had the
only Hi-Fi in the valley.

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Remember Hi-Fis?

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And she brought a recording
called The Weavers

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at Carnegie Hall and
played it for us.

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And that changed our world as
it did the world of this place

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and The Village,

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because they were
the inspiration for

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for the Kingston Trio,
for the Limeliters,

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the Tom Paxton on
down the line and,

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and the Chapin Brothers as well.

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We listen to that
recording all summer long.

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[banjo picking]

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If you invited one
Chapin brother,

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the three of us would
come with instruments.

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Steve first played
a 10-string ukulele

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and then moved on to the bass.

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And we became the
Chapin Brothers.

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♪ Sing along in chorus ♪

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- [Announcer] Tonight,
let's sing out

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with the students
of the University of

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Featuring Joanie Anderson.

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The Chapins.

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And now, Oscar Brown.

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That loud blast of assembles
and the bass you heard

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came from a drum, which
is new to our program.

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But is being handled by
the capable Mr. Chapin.

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Mr. Steve Chapin.

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- [Steve] Jim Chapin.
- Jim Chapin?

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- [Steve] I'm Steve.

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- You're Steve.
Well, who are you?

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- [Tom] Tom.
- That's Tom.

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Over there?

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- [Harry] Harry!
- Harry.

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And all together they're
the Chapin Family.

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- Their father is considered
one of the great drummers

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in America, and we're proud
to produce the whole family.

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So here are the Chapins.

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♪ I'm gonna walk all over
this wide, wide world ♪

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♪ See what there's to see ♪

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- Harry was the least
proficient musically,

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so it was kind of like everybody

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had their power
in different ways.

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♪ Well every man's
just skin and bones ♪

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♪ And a pair of itching feet ♪

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- Tom had a really high voice

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and could hit notes
that were unattainable

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and is an excellent
guitar player.

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Both of us, Tom
and I, could both

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really well sing in tune
and blend really well.

247
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- [Tom] Love the
idea of making music

248
00:11:13,431 --> 00:11:16,710
and and Harry started
writing for us as well.

249
00:11:16,848 --> 00:11:18,954
That's really sort of the
genesis of the Chapin Brothers

250
00:11:19,092 --> 00:11:21,991
and the connection
with folk music.

251
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- [Steve] Harry was
kind of like in charge

252
00:11:24,476 --> 00:11:26,962
and actually a lot of times
they would, they would,

253
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you know, other people behind

254
00:11:28,446 --> 00:11:29,861
would say you guys
got to do more.

255
00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:32,070
Three of us were playing with
our dad in the Village Gate.

256
00:11:32,208 --> 00:11:34,314
After the first set, dad comes
back to his boys and says,

257
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it's a little slow
out there tonight.

258
00:11:36,937 --> 00:11:39,250
Steve and Tom, I want
you guys to cheer up.

259
00:11:39,388 --> 00:11:41,010
Harry, cheer down.

260
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[audience applauding]

261
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- We were living in
Brooklyn Heights,

262
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not exactly the center of
the folk music universe.

263
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But was 15 minutes by
the A train to here.

264
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Tuesday night was hootenanny
night here at the Bitter End.

265
00:12:06,829 --> 00:12:08,935
And if you came in the afternoon
and you tried out for it,

266
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you might be able
to play that night.

267
00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,110
And we started doing that.

268
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- [Steve] Harry got this
film offer to go to Ethiopia,

269
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to do a documentary
about hunger in Ethiopia.

270
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And Harry was a
grownup, you know,

271
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he'd been working in the
documentary film world.

272
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In fact, one of his
documentary films

273
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was nominated for Academy Award,
"The Legendary Champions."

274
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♪ Way back when,
when men were men ♪

275
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♪ They always came
out fighting ♪

276
00:12:30,232 --> 00:12:31,923
- [Announcer] Tiny Tommy
Burns is soon getting home

277
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with his equalizer,
his booming right hand.

278
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Spires goes down.

279
00:12:38,136 --> 00:12:39,655
- Harry came back
six months later,

280
00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:41,899
and the boys who needed
the money to go to college

281
00:12:42,037 --> 00:12:43,417
had put together a new band.

282
00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:44,833
- Steve says, well,
you better tell him.

283
00:12:44,971 --> 00:12:47,421
So I sat there and said, Harry,

284
00:12:48,422 --> 00:12:49,976
we're kicking you
out of the band.

285
00:12:50,114 --> 00:12:51,218
What?

286
00:12:51,356 --> 00:12:51,978
- There was no way he
could walk back in.

287
00:12:52,116 --> 00:12:53,220
He wasn't a singer.

288
00:12:53,358 --> 00:12:55,291
We already had two
guitarists in the band.

289
00:12:55,429 --> 00:12:56,672
You know what I mean?

290
00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:58,156
At this time he didn't
bring anything to the table.

291
00:12:58,294 --> 00:13:00,400
- [Jeb] The Chapins had a
really cool rock and roll band.

292
00:13:00,538 --> 00:13:03,196
And when Harry came back,
he was no longer part of it.

293
00:13:03,334 --> 00:13:04,887
I understood that.

294
00:13:05,025 --> 00:13:08,166
Cause it was, in terms of like
musical judgment and judging,

295
00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:09,719
it was the right decision.

296
00:13:09,858 --> 00:13:11,583
- [Harry] I mean, I
come from a family

297
00:13:11,721 --> 00:13:13,344
of absolutely brilliant people.

298
00:13:13,482 --> 00:13:14,828
I've got some
brothers, as you know,

299
00:13:14,966 --> 00:13:18,314
I think are more naturally
talented than I am at music.

300
00:13:18,452 --> 00:13:20,730
But the only thing
different between them and I

301
00:13:20,869 --> 00:13:22,698
is I'm a little bit more
bullheaded and go out

302
00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:25,390
and bang my head
against the the castles.

303
00:13:25,528 --> 00:13:28,117
And they they've taken a little
bit more cooled out route.

304
00:13:28,255 --> 00:13:30,740
- We rented the Village
Gate for $400 a week.

305
00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:34,779
And our opening act was,
the first week was Harry,

306
00:13:34,917 --> 00:13:36,367
by himself.

307
00:13:36,505 --> 00:13:39,439
And he's singing these
long story songs.

308
00:13:39,577 --> 00:13:43,857
It was raining hard in
Frisco, and it was dead.

309
00:13:43,995 --> 00:13:45,721
He didn't know how
to perform yet.

310
00:13:45,859 --> 00:13:48,275
And the songs just lay there.

311
00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:50,415
And he did four nights,
four very hard nights

312
00:13:50,553 --> 00:13:52,728
opening for us, and we
were pretty good band.

313
00:13:52,866 --> 00:13:55,248
So instead of being
crushed by this, he says,

314
00:13:55,386 --> 00:13:56,974
hmm, I need a band.

315
00:13:57,112 --> 00:14:00,736
He calls up John Wallace,
who'd been a choir boy with us,

316
00:14:00,874 --> 00:14:04,119
to play bass, found a
guitar player, Ron Palmer,

317
00:14:04,257 --> 00:14:06,017
wonderful finger
style guitar player.

318
00:14:06,155 --> 00:14:08,986
Put an ad in the Village
Voice for a cello player,

319
00:14:09,124 --> 00:14:10,504
and got Tim Scott.

320
00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:13,853
And they started rehearsing
and inventing these songs.

321
00:14:13,991 --> 00:14:17,270
- He said, listen, I
don't have any money.

322
00:14:18,512 --> 00:14:23,103
He said that the most important
thing to me is loyalty.

323
00:14:23,241 --> 00:14:26,969
He said if stay with me, we're
all going to be partners.

324
00:14:27,107 --> 00:14:29,282
It was a handshake deal.

325
00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:34,321
And it was kept not only by
Harry, but by the family.

326
00:14:34,459 --> 00:14:36,392
He knew what he wanted.

327
00:14:40,431 --> 00:14:41,328
- It would be nice, the ninth.

328
00:14:41,466 --> 00:14:44,090
There's ninth and
the major seven.

329
00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:48,646
♪ Ba-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da
Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Da ♪

330
00:14:51,373 --> 00:14:53,237
I wonder if you should
hit the 4th up there.

331
00:14:53,375 --> 00:14:56,343
♪ Ba-Da-Da-Da ♪

332
00:14:56,481 --> 00:15:00,451
- Harry's songs started getting
a little more adventuresome

333
00:15:00,589 --> 00:15:03,074
and a little more
story-oriented,

334
00:15:03,212 --> 00:15:04,834
a little more
personally oriented.

335
00:15:04,973 --> 00:15:06,491
- He was ambitious.

336
00:15:07,561 --> 00:15:09,460
He really wanted to matter.

337
00:15:09,598 --> 00:15:12,014
- What I saw was
not what I expected.

338
00:15:12,152 --> 00:15:13,878
I lost it in the first number.

339
00:15:14,016 --> 00:15:16,260
I mean, I could tell
what was going on.

340
00:15:16,398 --> 00:15:18,952
This was a very well
integrated band, vocally.

341
00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:21,299
The instruments were wonderful,

342
00:15:21,437 --> 00:15:25,579
but I thought featuring the
sincerity of the cello was magic

343
00:15:25,717 --> 00:15:27,547
because I had tried to
talk artists to doing that

344
00:15:27,685 --> 00:15:31,344
in the past myself
and had not succeeded.

345
00:15:31,482 --> 00:15:34,278
They were comfortable with
the instruments they had.

346
00:15:34,416 --> 00:15:36,866
And I was looking for
something that would give

347
00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:40,077
even folk music an underpinning.

348
00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:41,837
- There's something
about a cello anyway,

349
00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:43,390
that plays in minor keys.

350
00:15:43,528 --> 00:15:46,359
And it was magical
with his music

351
00:15:46,497 --> 00:15:48,361
because it was so appropriate,

352
00:15:48,499 --> 00:15:52,296
because so much was visually
dramatic and emotional and sad.

353
00:15:52,434 --> 00:15:54,401
You know, so there's
nothing sadder

354
00:15:54,539 --> 00:15:56,610
than somebody sitting
next to you playing

355
00:15:56,748 --> 00:16:00,200
just beautiful string
lines on the cello.

356
00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:05,999
- There was a couple of
quirky things that Harry did

357
00:16:06,137 --> 00:16:08,174
that made him stand
apart from other people.

358
00:16:08,312 --> 00:16:11,867
Also the guy who was
singing falsetto.

359
00:16:12,005 --> 00:16:13,903
The guy's in the back row
with a real high voice.

360
00:16:14,042 --> 00:16:15,905
Like an opera singer, almost.

361
00:16:16,044 --> 00:16:18,080
That was different too.

362
00:16:21,118 --> 00:16:23,499
- [Robert] I was really kind
of shocked to see John Wallace

363
00:16:23,637 --> 00:16:26,054
be part of the whole thing.

364
00:16:26,192 --> 00:16:29,540
John always had a great
voice, great falsetto,

365
00:16:29,678 --> 00:16:33,544
and he always fooled
around with his range,

366
00:16:33,682 --> 00:16:36,996
singing low notes,
singing high notes.

367
00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:44,555
- [Billy] And then Harry was,
you know, telling his story.

368
00:16:44,693 --> 00:16:46,212
It made him stand out.

369
00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:49,560
- Listen to the story
about Mr. Tanner.

370
00:16:59,294 --> 00:17:03,298
- I always thought of
him as a troubadour.

371
00:17:03,436 --> 00:17:08,165
♪ Mister Tanner was a cleaner
from a town in the Midwest ♪

372
00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:10,650
♪ And of all the
cleaning shops around ♪

373
00:17:10,788 --> 00:17:12,445
♪ He'd made his the best ♪

374
00:17:12,583 --> 00:17:16,690
This is a person who,
you know, I don't know,

375
00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:21,833
I mean, listen, he sang great,
it was a charm that he had,

376
00:17:22,317 --> 00:17:25,596
but I think his real gift
was the storytelling.

377
00:17:25,734 --> 00:17:27,425
♪ His friends and neighbors
praised the voice ♪

378
00:17:27,563 --> 00:17:29,427
♪ That poured out
from his throat ♪

379
00:17:29,565 --> 00:17:32,051
♪ They said that he
should use his gift ♪

380
00:17:32,189 --> 00:17:35,192
♪ Instead of cleaning coats ♪

381
00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:37,297
- And so that, right
in front of him,

382
00:17:37,435 --> 00:17:39,403
was this possibility of
being a singer song writer.

383
00:17:39,541 --> 00:17:44,304
And two weeks later, he comes
back and it's a revelation.

384
00:17:46,513 --> 00:17:51,000
- [Jac] He wrapped his songs
around the people who listened.

385
00:17:51,139 --> 00:17:56,109
♪ And the good old days,
they say they're gone ♪

386
00:17:58,249 --> 00:17:59,285
- It was pretty thrilling.

387
00:17:59,423 --> 00:18:02,115
He's right in the
middle of that triangle

388
00:18:02,253 --> 00:18:04,566
and hearing this
stuff, you know.

389
00:18:04,704 --> 00:18:06,326
You knew there was
something to it.

390
00:18:06,464 --> 00:18:07,224
- Sort of part and parcel
of watching him do this

391
00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:10,399
and helping as much as we can.

392
00:18:10,537 --> 00:18:15,301
And being a little bit
astonished, but not shocked.

393
00:18:15,439 --> 00:18:18,200
♪ Could you put your
light on please ♪

394
00:18:18,338 --> 00:18:22,239
By the end of the summer,
they got a great review

395
00:18:22,377 --> 00:18:24,448
in the New York times.

396
00:18:24,586 --> 00:18:26,450
And people were
coming to see Harry

397
00:18:26,588 --> 00:18:27,796
at the end of the summer.

398
00:18:27,934 --> 00:18:32,076
- When he was first
acknowledged at The Village Gate

399
00:18:32,214 --> 00:18:35,183
and the record company
people started coming down

400
00:18:35,321 --> 00:18:37,012
and he'd called the
different companies

401
00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:38,600
and talked to one
of the secretaries

402
00:18:38,738 --> 00:18:40,326
and say he was somebody else

403
00:18:40,464 --> 00:18:44,019
and then do a pitch for
Harry Chapin. [chuckles]

404
00:18:44,157 --> 00:18:46,746
Always out in front, you
know, always moving forward.

405
00:18:46,884 --> 00:18:49,266
Yeah, his motto was
onwards and upwards.

406
00:18:49,404 --> 00:18:52,338
- And that was the fall that
Clive Davis and Jac Holzman

407
00:18:52,476 --> 00:18:54,512
at Elektra Records and
Clive Davis at Columbia

408
00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:57,136
had a bidding war to get Harry.

409
00:18:57,274 --> 00:18:59,103
- [Harry] The bidding war
thing started, which I mean,

410
00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:02,141
it's not a time I
would like to relive,

411
00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:03,728
but it made us a lot of money.

412
00:19:03,866 --> 00:19:07,215
- Clive and I had gone toe
to toe on other artists.

413
00:19:07,353 --> 00:19:10,632
Delaney and Bonnie, he had
tried to take Judy Collins away.

414
00:19:10,770 --> 00:19:13,531
We were used to scrapping
with each other.

415
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:15,602
- As his brother, it was
really exciting to watch

416
00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:17,225
this whole thing happen.

417
00:19:17,363 --> 00:19:18,536
- That's when the
trigger went off,

418
00:19:18,674 --> 00:19:20,262
this is the band
I can work with.

419
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,506
♪ And maybe now
some lead guitar ♪

420
00:19:22,644 --> 00:19:25,129
♪ So it would not
sound so thin ♪

421
00:19:25,267 --> 00:19:27,166
♪ I need some drums to set ♪

422
00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:28,650
We made an offer.

423
00:19:29,685 --> 00:19:31,342
Atlantic made an offer.

424
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,102
Clive made an offer.

425
00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:35,726
The numbers were
going back and forth.

426
00:19:35,864 --> 00:19:37,486
♪ I need all the
help I can get ♪

427
00:19:37,624 --> 00:19:39,661
♪ And we would play together ♪

428
00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:42,491
♪ Like fine musicians should ♪

429
00:19:42,629 --> 00:19:44,804
♪ And it would
sound like music ♪

430
00:19:44,942 --> 00:19:48,083
♪ And the music
would sound good ♪

431
00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:50,430
♪ But in real life
I'm stuck with ♪

432
00:19:50,568 --> 00:19:53,226
The band had come to my
house up in the country

433
00:19:53,364 --> 00:19:55,608
because I liked to
prerecord my records.

434
00:19:55,746 --> 00:19:57,541
I couldn't find Harry.

435
00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:59,128
Nobody could get ahold of them.

436
00:19:59,267 --> 00:20:01,372
Finally, I got a
call back from Harry.

437
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:03,443
I said, well, I'm on
my way to California,

438
00:20:03,581 --> 00:20:06,135
then I said, we'll meet
you at the airport.

439
00:20:06,274 --> 00:20:10,381
So he met us and he said,
we're gonna go with Columbia.

440
00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:14,213
I was pissed off
because I thought we

441
00:20:14,351 --> 00:20:16,663
had shaken hands on the deal.

442
00:20:16,801 --> 00:20:18,320
Stayed the week in California,

443
00:20:18,458 --> 00:20:21,289
I found out that the
Colombia numbers were,

444
00:20:21,427 --> 00:20:23,152
shall we say, less
than accurate,

445
00:20:23,291 --> 00:20:26,190
because I got the real numbers.

446
00:20:26,328 --> 00:20:28,019
But I never used them.

447
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:31,678
Banged on the door at six
o'clock in the morning,

448
00:20:31,816 --> 00:20:36,787
they knew I was coming and
said, I'm not leaving here.

449
00:20:36,925 --> 00:20:38,513
Get a couch or something,

450
00:20:38,651 --> 00:20:42,241
I'm not leaving here
until we have a deal.

451
00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:54,183
- Harry had his, sort
of had the act together

452
00:20:54,322 --> 00:20:55,426
in its own way.

453
00:20:55,564 --> 00:20:57,497
They had this, it started
off with this trick

454
00:20:57,635 --> 00:21:01,674
with the lights and Taxi
was more than just a song.

455
00:21:01,812 --> 00:21:04,815
- In 72 I remember hearing
the taxi on the radio

456
00:21:04,953 --> 00:21:07,542
and then thinking, this
is something different.

457
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,337
This is a folk song.

458
00:21:09,475 --> 00:21:10,579
Who is this guy?

459
00:21:10,717 --> 00:21:13,375
- Taxi's about 60% true.

460
00:21:13,513 --> 00:21:17,483
And so I use realities I
know about to set me going.

461
00:21:17,621 --> 00:21:21,590
And then I try to make
the song true to itself.

462
00:21:23,385 --> 00:21:26,492
♪ There was not much more
for us to talk about ♪

463
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:30,289
♪ Whatever we had
once was gone ♪

464
00:21:30,427 --> 00:21:33,499
♪ So I turned my cab
into the driveway ♪

465
00:21:33,637 --> 00:21:35,397
♪ Past the gate and the
fine trimmed lawns ♪

466
00:21:35,535 --> 00:21:36,709
The songs have to mean
something to somebody

467
00:21:36,847 --> 00:21:40,195
if they're going to buy
them or keep playing.

468
00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:41,300
- [Bill] And Yours do.

469
00:21:41,438 --> 00:21:42,956
See, I think that
that can be the trap

470
00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,890
that years mean an awful
lot to a lot of people.

471
00:21:46,028 --> 00:21:50,343
- The writing there was so smart
and simple at the same time

472
00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:51,931
that I thought this was special.

473
00:21:52,069 --> 00:21:55,521
♪ Harry, keep the change ♪

474
00:21:56,729 --> 00:21:58,213
- Great song.

475
00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:01,216
She said, let's get together,

476
00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:03,391
but I knew it'd
never be arranged,

477
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:06,911
And she handed me twenty
dollars for a two fifty fare,

478
00:22:07,049 --> 00:22:09,500
she said Harry, keep the change.

479
00:22:09,638 --> 00:22:12,261
And that's such a cool line

480
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,299
that the hair
stands up on my arm.

481
00:22:15,437 --> 00:22:17,301
Well, another man
might've been angry,

482
00:22:17,439 --> 00:22:18,682
another man might
have been hurt,

483
00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:20,718
but another man would never
would have let her go,

484
00:22:20,856 --> 00:22:23,238
I stuffed the bill on my shirt.

485
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:25,965
I mean, that's, you
know, real life.

486
00:22:26,103 --> 00:22:27,725
That's really what happened.

487
00:22:27,863 --> 00:22:30,590
Whether it did or not, in
my mind, that happened.

488
00:22:30,728 --> 00:22:32,351
I could picture the whole thing.

489
00:22:32,489 --> 00:22:33,938
And the guy at the
end getting stoned,

490
00:22:34,076 --> 00:22:36,458
and I fly so high
when I'm stoned.

491
00:22:36,596 --> 00:22:38,909
You didn't hear that on the
radio, that was pretty risque.

492
00:22:39,047 --> 00:22:41,498
- We didn't start on AM radio.

493
00:22:41,636 --> 00:22:43,776
We started on FM radio,
which I knew was going

494
00:22:43,914 --> 00:22:45,364
to be more friendly to him.

495
00:22:45,502 --> 00:22:47,504
And Harry went to
all the key stations

496
00:22:47,642 --> 00:22:49,747
and he told wonderful stories.

497
00:22:49,885 --> 00:22:54,269
And his personality, even if
you weren't seeing him live,

498
00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:56,996
you could hear it
through the interview.

499
00:22:57,134 --> 00:22:59,930
He was always there,
no matter what he did,

500
00:23:00,068 --> 00:23:01,725
whether he was doing
it for a charity

501
00:23:01,863 --> 00:23:06,868
or in the studio for himself,
he was 100% all the time.

502
00:23:07,006 --> 00:23:09,767
- [Billy] We were playing
in the Kiel Opera House

503
00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:10,906
in St. Louis.

504
00:23:11,976 --> 00:23:15,394
And I was opening
up for Harry Chapin.

505
00:23:15,532 --> 00:23:18,949
♪ It's nine o'clock
on Saturday ♪

506
00:23:19,087 --> 00:23:21,917
♪ The regular
crowd shuffles in ♪

507
00:23:22,055 --> 00:23:23,436
We got a great reception
from his audience.

508
00:23:23,574 --> 00:23:26,370
I didn't know how we're
gonna go over with his crowd.

509
00:23:26,508 --> 00:23:29,856
But they were very receptive,
very warm audience.

510
00:23:29,994 --> 00:23:32,790
And he even talked
about me to the audience

511
00:23:32,928 --> 00:23:34,205
in his own show.

512
00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:37,381
He was the headliner,
but he said something,

513
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:38,934
how about that, Billy Joel?

514
00:23:39,072 --> 00:23:40,349
And I thought that
was really nice.

515
00:23:40,488 --> 00:23:41,523
He didn't have to do that.

516
00:23:41,661 --> 00:23:45,009
But he plugged me
to his own audience.

517
00:23:45,147 --> 00:23:46,942
And I never forgot that.

518
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,359
I thought that was a very
gentlemanly thing to do.

519
00:23:50,498 --> 00:23:53,466
Especially in the music business
where it's all dog-eat-dog

520
00:23:53,604 --> 00:23:56,849
and claws are out in
the music business.

521
00:23:57,953 --> 00:24:02,924
♪ Ah, he was the sun
burning bright and brittle ♪

522
00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:08,032
♪ And she was the moon shining
back his light a little ♪

523
00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:10,897
♪ He was a shooting star ♪

524
00:24:11,035 --> 00:24:13,693
- I went out to Long
Island to play a club,

525
00:24:13,831 --> 00:24:16,316
just not even a club, like
a pub, it was like bar

526
00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,940
and Harry was in the bar.

527
00:24:19,078 --> 00:24:21,390
He wasn't drinking, he
was drinking a club soda.

528
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:24,463
My favorite recollection of
him, this stays with me always,

529
00:24:24,601 --> 00:24:26,706
that he looked like he just
literally rolled out of bed.

530
00:24:26,844 --> 00:24:28,536
His hair was all over the place.

531
00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:30,089
He had like some wrinkled
t-shirts and jeans

532
00:24:30,227 --> 00:24:32,678
that were hanging so loose.

533
00:24:32,816 --> 00:24:34,818
And he was just sitting
there, talking to a guy.

534
00:24:34,956 --> 00:24:37,855
And when I started this,
when I was singing,

535
00:24:37,993 --> 00:24:40,927
he came over and he said,
"Hey," he goes like,

536
00:24:41,065 --> 00:24:42,032
"What's your name, and
what are you doing?"

537
00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:43,412
And all this stuff.

538
00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:47,037
And I told him, and that's
when he told me, he goes,

539
00:24:47,175 --> 00:24:49,695
"Well, you know, I'm doing
this thing down the street."

540
00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:52,801
He goes, "You should come
and audition for this

541
00:24:52,939 --> 00:24:55,494
"because I think that you
would be great for this.

542
00:24:55,632 --> 00:24:56,736
"It'd be fun for you."

543
00:24:56,874 --> 00:24:59,946
And, I was, "Okay." [laughs]

544
00:25:00,084 --> 00:25:01,361
You know what I mean?

545
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,743
Like, this is Harry Chapin,
no problem, I'm coming.

546
00:25:03,881 --> 00:25:06,021
♪ Shining back his
light a little ♪

547
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:08,817
♪ He was a shooting star ♪

548
00:25:08,955 --> 00:25:10,681
He was very selfless.

549
00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:13,753
You know, this was genuine,
this was authentic.

550
00:25:13,891 --> 00:25:15,962
And so everything that
anybody ever reads about him

551
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,793
or hears about him,
the stories are true.

552
00:25:18,931 --> 00:25:19,897
It's true.

553
00:25:20,035 --> 00:25:21,692
You know, he was
just, he was a dude.

554
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:23,832
I mean, the best part,
the rest of that story

555
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:25,938
is that he didn't
have any money.

556
00:25:26,076 --> 00:25:27,456
He was going in every pocket.

557
00:25:27,595 --> 00:25:29,562
I was like, watching
him do this.

558
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,083
And I said to him,
do you need money?

559
00:25:33,221 --> 00:25:35,430
Which was just like
absolutely ridiculous.

560
00:25:35,568 --> 00:25:36,673
You know what I mean? [laughing]

561
00:25:36,811 --> 00:25:37,846
I said, "Do you need any money?"

562
00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:39,227
And he goes, "I don't
have any money."

563
00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:43,093
So I gave him $5 to pay for
the, whatever, club soda,

564
00:25:43,231 --> 00:25:45,578
water, I don't know
what he's drinking,

565
00:25:45,716 --> 00:25:46,993
it was clear and it wasn't
alcohol, I know that.

566
00:25:47,131 --> 00:25:48,581
But whether it was a
7Up, whatever, you know,

567
00:25:48,719 --> 00:25:49,720
but I gave him five bucks.

568
00:25:49,858 --> 00:25:51,170
He had no money on him.

569
00:25:51,308 --> 00:25:55,070
And he was just, you know,
kinda like Colombo. [laughs]

570
00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:58,557
Kind of like the musical
version of Colombo.

571
00:25:58,695 --> 00:26:00,800
- First album, we
were at Fillmore East

572
00:26:00,938 --> 00:26:04,597
and Harry showed up in the
wings and he was very sweet.

573
00:26:04,735 --> 00:26:06,703
You know, it was great
surprise to see him.

574
00:26:06,841 --> 00:26:08,877
He was very enthusiastic.

575
00:26:10,085 --> 00:26:11,846
The thing about Harry was

576
00:26:11,984 --> 00:26:16,989
that he's probably the most
charming kid you'd ever know.

577
00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:18,784
- I was just like
little, you know,

578
00:26:18,922 --> 00:26:20,199
a girl just singing in a bar.

579
00:26:20,337 --> 00:26:23,098
But he treated me with
such respect and dignity.

580
00:26:23,236 --> 00:26:26,067
And I didn't forget that ever.

581
00:26:26,205 --> 00:26:29,933
- With '70s rock radio,
especially the storytellers,

582
00:26:30,071 --> 00:26:32,867
Jim Croce, Bob
Dylan, Joni Mitchell.

583
00:26:33,005 --> 00:26:37,975
But it was this one song
called "Cat's in the Cradle,"

584
00:26:38,113 --> 00:26:40,909
that I don't relate
to, 'cause I'm a kid.

585
00:26:41,047 --> 00:26:43,256
So it was a nursery rhyme,

586
00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:45,880
but it was just the
sound of the record.

587
00:26:46,018 --> 00:26:47,191
You know what I'm saying?

588
00:26:47,329 --> 00:26:49,193
That was so captivating.

589
00:26:49,331 --> 00:26:51,057
- The most original and
talented young songwriter

590
00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:53,819
and performer, was
nominated for a Grammy Award

591
00:26:53,957 --> 00:26:56,131
as the Best New Artist of 1972.

592
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:58,927
Would you please
welcome, Harry Chapin.

593
00:26:59,065 --> 00:27:00,273
[audience clapping]

594
00:27:00,411 --> 00:27:02,586
♪ I'm talking about love ♪

595
00:27:02,724 --> 00:27:05,002
♪ Well she asked me,
what is it good for ♪

596
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:08,627
♪ She asked me,
what could it do ♪

597
00:27:08,765 --> 00:27:11,526
♪ She asked me what
does it feel like ♪

598
00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:14,805
♪ And I told her
all that I knew ♪

599
00:27:14,943 --> 00:27:16,496
♪ I'm talkin' 'bout love ♪

600
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:18,740
♪ Love can't solve any problem ♪

601
00:27:18,878 --> 00:27:21,985
♪ I'd be wrong if I
said that it could ♪

602
00:27:22,123 --> 00:27:23,262
♪ I was talkin' 'bout love ♪

603
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,644
♪ Love can't save anybody ♪

604
00:27:25,782 --> 00:27:28,129
♪ It just makes your
body feel good ♪

605
00:27:28,267 --> 00:27:30,441
- [Harry] Two, three, four.

606
00:27:31,373 --> 00:27:33,755
♪ She was down at the
land just delighted ♪

607
00:27:33,893 --> 00:27:36,931
♪ She was so something
jumping for joy ♪

608
00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:40,141
♪ She was laughing
crazy excited ♪

609
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:43,144
♪ Like a baby with
a brand new toy ♪

610
00:27:43,282 --> 00:27:45,871
♪ I'm talkin' 'bout love ♪

611
00:27:46,009 --> 00:27:47,320
- [Josh] It's you girl,

612
00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:50,116
you've put Rose colored
glasses on my eyes

613
00:27:50,254 --> 00:27:52,636
and made the world a game.

614
00:27:52,774 --> 00:27:56,985
And everything I thought I
knew, will never be the same.

615
00:27:57,123 --> 00:27:59,988
- This is a song about
how I met my wife.

616
00:28:00,126 --> 00:28:02,577
I was giving guitar
lessons back in the days

617
00:28:02,715 --> 00:28:04,027
where I used that
as a social means

618
00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:05,856
to get girls into my room.

619
00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:08,203
And this one turned out
a little more serious

620
00:28:08,341 --> 00:28:10,343
than I thought it would.

621
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:14,347
- [Sandy] Out of the blue,
actually, he called up

622
00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:18,904
and he said, "I hear you
wanna take guitar lessons."

623
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:22,114
♪ I come fresh from the street ♪

624
00:28:22,252 --> 00:28:26,256
♪ Fast on my feet,
kinda lean and lazy ♪

625
00:28:26,394 --> 00:28:28,189
- [Harry] My wife had three
kids when I've met her

626
00:28:28,327 --> 00:28:32,089
and we've had two sons
by the normal methods.

627
00:28:32,227 --> 00:28:34,298
- They would share poems
when they first met.

628
00:28:34,436 --> 00:28:36,231
It was supposedly
for guitar lessons,

629
00:28:36,369 --> 00:28:38,820
but I think it moved to
other things over the years.

630
00:28:38,958 --> 00:28:41,305
♪ And for each full-hour
lesson I gave ♪

631
00:28:41,443 --> 00:28:44,136
♪ I got a crisp
ten dollar bill ♪

632
00:28:44,274 --> 00:28:46,276
- Sometimes he called
and said he was busy.

633
00:28:46,414 --> 00:28:51,005
Sometimes he just didn't
show up and sometimes he did.

634
00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:55,078
♪ She said she wanted to
learn to play the guitar ♪

635
00:28:55,216 --> 00:28:57,874
♪ And to hear her
children sing ♪

636
00:28:58,012 --> 00:28:59,116
We had a hot date.

637
00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:03,914
We went to Flame Steaks,
for $1.99. [laughs]

638
00:29:04,052 --> 00:29:08,298
- And he became on the scene
more and more over time.

639
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,750
It was a slow process
of liking Harry.

640
00:29:12,923 --> 00:29:15,270
It took me a while
to warm up to him.

641
00:29:15,408 --> 00:29:17,272
And I can remember the first
time when I finally was,

642
00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:20,897
ah, you know, this
person is in my life.

643
00:29:21,035 --> 00:29:24,107
He had this energy of a
very, very young person.

644
00:29:24,245 --> 00:29:26,350
So for us, it was like just
having another fun person

645
00:29:26,488 --> 00:29:28,180
around the house.

646
00:29:28,318 --> 00:29:30,251
♪ I want to learn a love song ♪

647
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:31,908
♪ I want to hear you play ♪

648
00:29:32,046 --> 00:29:36,567
♪ She said, I want to learn a
love song before you go away ♪

649
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:41,227
- She made her wedding gown
and it had one of those,

650
00:29:41,365 --> 00:29:42,953
I guess it was a
Mandarin collar.

651
00:29:43,091 --> 00:29:46,267
She, in seed pearls,
sewed I love Harry

652
00:29:47,268 --> 00:29:49,788
across the collar of
her wedding dress.

653
00:29:49,926 --> 00:29:54,862
♪ Sandy is the seashore
and Sandy is the sea ♪

654
00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:00,108
- They were a wonderful couple

655
00:30:00,246 --> 00:30:03,111
in that they were kind of
yin and yang to each other.

656
00:30:03,249 --> 00:30:06,666
That he had the energy and
he needed the attention,

657
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,221
and he loved to be out in front.

658
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,016
And mom was the idea person.

659
00:30:11,154 --> 00:30:13,432
She was really the
thinker and the one

660
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:15,675
that would come
up with the ideas

661
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,712
and throw some stuff out there.

662
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:20,991
And then Harry would take that,
grab it, and move with it.

663
00:30:21,129 --> 00:30:24,857
- Sandy, well, her
influence on the music

664
00:30:24,995 --> 00:30:29,137
and on world hunger,
she was 100% supportive.

665
00:30:31,174 --> 00:30:34,349
Probably more than supportive,
she was encouraging.

666
00:30:34,487 --> 00:30:35,523
What a pair.

667
00:30:38,457 --> 00:30:40,769
- In terms of my wife, she's
getting a PhD in education

668
00:30:40,908 --> 00:30:42,875
at Columbia, got her
master's at Harvard

669
00:30:43,013 --> 00:30:45,844
and has the ability, I seem
to go from tree to tree

670
00:30:45,982 --> 00:30:47,984
and she sees the forest.

671
00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:55,025
A recording of his own
song, "Cat's in the Cradle,"

672
00:30:55,163 --> 00:30:57,269
sold over 1 million
copies as a single.

673
00:30:57,407 --> 00:30:58,857
- This is, as I said,
a song that Harry

674
00:30:58,995 --> 00:31:01,825
and his wife Sandy
collaborated on.

675
00:31:01,963 --> 00:31:04,345
- "Cat's in the Cradle," was
a poem that my mom wrote,

676
00:31:04,483 --> 00:31:06,347
showed it to Harry as kind of,

677
00:31:06,485 --> 00:31:08,004
this is a lesson to be learned,

678
00:31:08,142 --> 00:31:09,419
and then he turned it into song.

679
00:31:09,557 --> 00:31:10,523
And they did that a lot.

680
00:31:10,661 --> 00:31:12,422
They shared things
back and forth.

681
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,494
- The first time we heard
"Cat's in the Cradle,"

682
00:31:15,632 --> 00:31:16,978
I remember that time.
- Yeah.

683
00:31:17,116 --> 00:31:19,187
- Yeah, we were in
the dressing room,

684
00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:21,534
he pulls up this wooden
chair, sticks his foot on it.

685
00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:24,192
You know, "I got this song guys,

686
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:25,780
"I think it's gonna be a hit."

687
00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:27,506
He started playing it,
and it was like, Whoa.

688
00:31:27,644 --> 00:31:30,785
Everybody kind of said,
yeah, that's, that's nice.

689
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:33,892
That's, you know, something
could happen with this.

690
00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:37,309
It was sort of number
one there for a while.

691
00:31:37,447 --> 00:31:39,173
- I have some people
around me that not only

692
00:31:39,311 --> 00:31:42,038
will give me criticism, but
come up with very strong ideas.

693
00:31:42,176 --> 00:31:44,799
And the most one is, the
most important one in my life

694
00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:47,836
is my wife who really came
up with the basic concept

695
00:31:47,975 --> 00:31:50,943
and many of the key
lines of this song.

696
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:53,290
As Stravinsky once said,
great artists steal,

697
00:31:53,428 --> 00:31:54,567
bad artists borrow.

698
00:31:54,705 --> 00:31:56,224
I'm desperately trying
to be great artist

699
00:31:56,362 --> 00:31:58,330
so I stole this from my wife.

700
00:31:58,468 --> 00:31:59,848
It's called "Cats
in the Cradle,"

701
00:31:59,987 --> 00:32:01,333
and it's about my boy, Josh.

702
00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:04,439
- Yeah, He had a whole shtick
in concert where he would,

703
00:32:04,577 --> 00:32:09,099
he would say it was about me
and lie about its origins.

704
00:32:09,237 --> 00:32:12,689
- And frankly, the song
scares me to death.

705
00:32:15,036 --> 00:32:19,558
- [Sandy] We don't know
life's lessons until too late.

706
00:32:19,696 --> 00:32:22,181
♪ My child arrived
just the other day. ♪

707
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,425
- [Josh] It became
about, about all of us,

708
00:32:24,563 --> 00:32:25,667
I guess, in a way.

709
00:32:25,805 --> 00:32:27,117
- This is the tree
house that Harry built,

710
00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:30,293
and the address of our tree
house was 5J Locust Lane,

711
00:32:30,431 --> 00:32:31,846
hence the five Js.

712
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:33,503
♪ And he was talking before
I knew it, and as he grew ♪

713
00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:36,609
♪ He'd say I'm gonna
be like you dad ♪

714
00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:41,200
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like you ♪

715
00:32:41,338 --> 00:32:44,410
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪

716
00:32:44,548 --> 00:32:47,344
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

717
00:32:47,482 --> 00:32:49,243
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪

718
00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:50,589
♪ I don't know when ♪

719
00:32:50,727 --> 00:32:53,040
♪ But we'll get together then ♪

720
00:32:53,178 --> 00:32:54,455
- [Josh] He tried very
hard to be at home

721
00:32:54,593 --> 00:32:55,732
as much as he could,

722
00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:58,977
but he also was on the
road a tremendous amount.

723
00:32:59,115 --> 00:33:01,496
- Lusted to take advantage
of whatever opportunities

724
00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:03,222
were out there and
to make the most

725
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,155
of every opportunity he got.

726
00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,020
♪ Well my son turned
ten just the other day ♪

727
00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:11,403
♪ Said, thanks for the ball,
dad, come on let's play ♪

728
00:33:11,541 --> 00:33:14,061
- My dad was a fantastic dad.

729
00:33:14,199 --> 00:33:16,028
He was an action dad.

730
00:33:17,719 --> 00:33:20,412
♪ And he walked away, but
his smile never dimmed ♪

731
00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:23,587
♪ And said, I'm gonna
be like him, yeah ♪

732
00:33:23,725 --> 00:33:27,177
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like him ♪

733
00:33:27,315 --> 00:33:31,699
- So many instances of the
way that he touched people,

734
00:33:32,734 --> 00:33:36,014
we hear in all sorts of
stories that come back.

735
00:33:36,152 --> 00:33:36,876
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪

736
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,154
♪ I don't know when ♪

737
00:33:38,292 --> 00:33:41,157
♪ But we'll get
together then, son ♪

738
00:33:41,295 --> 00:33:42,503
- And he would come
home and say, okay,

739
00:33:42,641 --> 00:33:45,506
we're going to do this
and you're gonna enjoy it

740
00:33:45,644 --> 00:33:47,301
and you're gonna
thank me for it.

741
00:33:47,439 --> 00:33:48,923
He was like the ringleader.

742
00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:51,443
♪ Well, he came from
college just the other day ♪

743
00:33:51,581 --> 00:33:53,203
- [Harry] I become a category.

744
00:33:53,341 --> 00:33:55,447
I mean, when they
say a Chapin song,

745
00:33:55,585 --> 00:33:57,104
people know what
you're talking about.

746
00:33:57,242 --> 00:33:59,106
- You really weren't cat's in
the cradle-ing me back there?

747
00:33:59,244 --> 00:34:00,107
- Of course not.

748
00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:01,694
♪ And he said with a smile ♪

749
00:34:01,832 --> 00:34:04,318
♪ What I'd really like, dad,
is to borrow the car keys ♪

750
00:34:04,456 --> 00:34:07,976
♪ See you later, can
I have them please ♪

751
00:34:08,115 --> 00:34:10,945
♪ Well the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪

752
00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:14,259
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

753
00:34:14,397 --> 00:34:16,019
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪

754
00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:17,331
♪ I don't know when ♪

755
00:34:17,469 --> 00:34:20,437
♪ But we'll get together then ♪

756
00:34:20,575 --> 00:34:24,027
♪ You know we'll have
a good time then ♪

757
00:34:24,165 --> 00:34:25,684
- I should have golfed
with you sooner, dad.

758
00:34:25,822 --> 00:34:27,306
- I've never made the time.

759
00:34:27,444 --> 00:34:28,307
- Luke!

760
00:34:29,308 --> 00:34:30,689
- I need to call my son.

761
00:34:30,827 --> 00:34:32,277
- Where do you go home to?

762
00:34:32,415 --> 00:34:34,451
Where do you go
and rest retreat?

763
00:34:34,589 --> 00:34:38,076
- Well, I go home to my
home, my wife and five kids.

764
00:34:38,214 --> 00:34:41,562
I also go home to motel
rooms, my writing pad.

765
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:45,566
I also go home to airplanes
and I also go home

766
00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:49,017
to rent-a-cars, and I also
go home to Washington,

767
00:34:49,156 --> 00:34:50,605
World Hunger Year.

768
00:34:50,743 --> 00:34:53,608
♪ But it's sure nice
talking to you, dad ♪

769
00:34:53,746 --> 00:34:57,474
♪ It's been sure
nice talking to you ♪

770
00:34:57,612 --> 00:35:00,512
- She's 22, she's gonna go
off, do whatever she does.

771
00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:03,618
And then you see her at
holidays for a few hours here.

772
00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:06,759
Maybe you steal a
Saturday once in a while.

773
00:35:06,897 --> 00:35:10,763
Reminded me of the Harry Chapin
song, "Cat's in the Cradle,"

774
00:35:10,901 --> 00:35:14,422
which was a great old song
from a great, great man.

775
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,010
Great New Yorker too.

776
00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:17,425
- Hey, what's "Cat's
in the Cradle?"

777
00:35:17,563 --> 00:35:20,221
That a song from the
'70s, you've heard it.

778
00:35:20,359 --> 00:35:22,706
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪

779
00:35:22,844 --> 00:35:25,226
[audience laughing]

780
00:35:25,364 --> 00:35:28,712
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

781
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:31,508
- Why don't you just play your
"Cat's in the Cradle," video?

782
00:35:31,646 --> 00:35:34,235
- Oh, hey, son of a
bitch, I love that song.

783
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:35,340
That's got that
nice message in it.

784
00:35:35,478 --> 00:35:36,272
- [Man] How are we doing?

785
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:37,618
- Cat's in the Cradle.

786
00:35:37,756 --> 00:35:38,791
- Whoa, whoa, where
are you going?

787
00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:40,207
- I'm gonna go play
catch with my son

788
00:35:40,345 --> 00:35:43,106
before it gets too late
like "Cat's in the Cradle."

789
00:35:43,244 --> 00:35:44,314
- That's all very
"Cat's in the Cradle,"

790
00:35:44,452 --> 00:35:45,626
I don't wanna get into it.

791
00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:47,800
♪ Cause it's really
kind and simple ♪

792
00:35:47,938 --> 00:35:49,181
♪ When they came to me ♪

793
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:51,252
♪ There's a lot of
people just like me ♪

794
00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:52,426
♪ Like me ♪

795
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:54,186
♪ There's a whole
lot just like me ♪

796
00:35:54,324 --> 00:35:56,533
♪ Like me ♪

797
00:35:56,671 --> 00:36:00,744
- Here's this song that
captivated me as a little kid.

798
00:36:00,882 --> 00:36:03,437
It stayed a current
theme in my life

799
00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:05,335
hearing the early hip hop guys

800
00:36:05,473 --> 00:36:07,958
that were even impressed by it.

801
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:13,757
♪ You wanna party til
the break of day ♪

802
00:36:13,895 --> 00:36:15,759
♪ And he was talking before
I knew it, and as he grew ♪

803
00:36:15,897 --> 00:36:20,108
♪ He'd say I'm gonna
be like you, dad ♪

804
00:36:20,247 --> 00:36:24,216
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like you ♪

805
00:36:24,354 --> 00:36:26,736
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪

806
00:36:26,874 --> 00:36:29,566
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

807
00:36:29,704 --> 00:36:30,636
♪ When you coming home, son ♪

808
00:36:30,774 --> 00:36:32,224
♪ I don't know when ♪

809
00:36:32,362 --> 00:36:35,193
♪ But we'll get
together then, dad ♪

810
00:36:35,331 --> 00:36:37,505
♪ We'll all have
a good time then ♪

811
00:36:37,643 --> 00:36:38,989
- Now here's what comes

812
00:36:39,127 --> 00:36:43,891
that I call the exodus part
of the song. [sings boldly]

813
00:36:52,658 --> 00:36:54,108
You get these
visions of Sal Mineo

814
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:55,592
coming through the bull rings.

815
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:59,286
[group laughing]

816
00:36:59,424 --> 00:37:01,495
♪ The cat's in the cradle
and the silver spoon ♪

817
00:37:01,633 --> 00:37:04,325
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪

818
00:37:04,463 --> 00:37:05,568
♪ When you coming home, son ♪

819
00:37:05,706 --> 00:37:07,259
♪ I don't know when ♪

820
00:37:07,397 --> 00:37:09,468
♪ But we'll get
together then, dad ♪

821
00:37:09,606 --> 00:37:10,780
- Donkey!

822
00:37:10,918 --> 00:37:15,267
♪ You know we'll have
a good time then ♪

823
00:37:24,311 --> 00:37:28,694
- [John] We knew, he was
kind of on a mission.

824
00:37:28,832 --> 00:37:33,837
♪ I am the morning DJ
at W-O-L-D-D-D-D-D-D ♪

825
00:37:37,565 --> 00:37:40,154
- Before I met Harry I met Tom

826
00:37:40,292 --> 00:37:41,914
and I did a radio show with him,

827
00:37:42,052 --> 00:37:43,606
I was doing a show
called On this Rock

828
00:37:43,744 --> 00:37:45,435
for the ABC Radio Network.

829
00:37:45,573 --> 00:37:47,230
- I think the initial
thing actually

830
00:37:47,368 --> 00:37:49,784
was Bill Ayres meeting Harry.

831
00:37:49,922 --> 00:37:51,234
- I was a Catholic
priest at the time,

832
00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:53,271
which was a little strange
to be doing rock roll show,

833
00:37:53,409 --> 00:37:56,377
but I thought it was
a good idea. [laughs]

834
00:37:56,515 --> 00:37:58,517
♪ The bright good
morning voice ♪

835
00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:00,623
At the end of the
show, Tom said to me,

836
00:38:00,761 --> 00:38:01,555
that was really good.

837
00:38:01,693 --> 00:38:02,866
He said, you ask good questions.

838
00:38:03,004 --> 00:38:04,696
You outta talk to my
brother, he loves to talk.

839
00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:06,214
Good morning and
welcome On this Rock.

840
00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:08,251
And we do have somebody
who makes it happen.

841
00:38:08,389 --> 00:38:11,772
Not only musically, but in
a whole lot of other ways.

842
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:13,498
It's a great pleasure
for me to do a show

843
00:38:13,636 --> 00:38:15,638
with a guy that I have
tremendous respect for,

844
00:38:15,776 --> 00:38:17,364
but also a real love for.

845
00:38:17,502 --> 00:38:19,883
A great friend, Harry Chapin.

846
00:38:20,021 --> 00:38:21,782
- [Harry] Well Bill,
we talked so many times

847
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,887
in a non-recorded situation.

848
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:25,510
It's gonna be
interesting to be here,

849
00:38:25,648 --> 00:38:27,408
captured on tape today.

850
00:38:27,546 --> 00:38:29,376
♪ When they let me go ♪

851
00:38:29,514 --> 00:38:32,517
♪ So I drifted on down
to Tulsa, Oklahoma ♪

852
00:38:32,655 --> 00:38:35,520
♪ To do me a
late-night talk show ♪

853
00:38:35,658 --> 00:38:37,694
- He came on the show
and he was great.

854
00:38:37,832 --> 00:38:41,767
And at the end of it, he said
to me, that was really good.

855
00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:46,531
He said, you should come
to my house for dinner.

856
00:38:46,669 --> 00:38:51,674
♪ I am the morning DJ
at W-O-L-D-D-D-D-D-D ♪

857
00:38:56,713 --> 00:39:00,476
- I remember he said to me,
even if I have to end up

858
00:39:00,614 --> 00:39:03,513
doing hand carvings in
the tip of a toothpick,

859
00:39:03,651 --> 00:39:06,516
it has to be something
nobody else has ever done.

860
00:39:06,654 --> 00:39:09,968
♪ W-O-L-D ♪

861
00:39:10,106 --> 00:39:14,869
♪ I am the morning
DJ on Danish radio ♪

862
00:39:15,007 --> 00:39:16,250
- If Harry was an
inspiration to me,

863
00:39:16,388 --> 00:39:17,907
Bill was an
inspiration to Harry.

864
00:39:18,045 --> 00:39:20,668
♪ Playing all the hits for you ♪

865
00:39:20,806 --> 00:39:24,258
♪ But you got a long,
long way to go ♪

866
00:39:24,396 --> 00:39:25,777
- The amazing thing
about Why Hunger

867
00:39:25,915 --> 00:39:29,746
and about Bill and Harry
is that sense of we.

868
00:39:39,929 --> 00:39:42,932
- So right away, they had
that spirit, you know,

869
00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:44,796
that wanting to change things
and make things better.

870
00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:47,661
That was a big part of his life.

871
00:39:52,459 --> 00:39:56,532
- [Harry] The dreams, let's
talk about our dreams.

872
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:03,331
♪ I can hear my country crying ♪

873
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:06,783
♪ For the dreams of yesterday ♪

874
00:40:06,921 --> 00:40:09,683
♪ It's the sound of
something dying ♪

875
00:40:09,821 --> 00:40:12,858
♪ Saying we lost our way ♪

876
00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:15,585
- We had a gathering of
friends at our house.

877
00:40:15,723 --> 00:40:18,588
They were talking about what
they've been doing in the '60s.

878
00:40:18,726 --> 00:40:21,695
And some had marched
on Washington.

879
00:40:22,868 --> 00:40:27,390
♪ As we're lookin'
for the light ♪

880
00:40:27,528 --> 00:40:30,462
♪ I can hear my country crying ♪

881
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,776
♪ From the dark
that's in our eyes ♪

882
00:40:33,914 --> 00:40:36,675
♪ It reflects in dirty water ♪

883
00:40:36,813 --> 00:40:39,540
♪ And the wasted lives ♪

884
00:40:39,678 --> 00:40:41,818
- When we met for dinner,
we started talking

885
00:40:41,956 --> 00:40:43,544
and I had an idea.

886
00:40:43,682 --> 00:40:45,822
I had come from the
civil rights movement.

887
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,375
I had marched with Dr. King.

888
00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:51,172
I believed that hunger
and poverty were wrong.

889
00:40:54,659 --> 00:40:56,695
- One March on Washington
doesn't change the world

890
00:40:56,833 --> 00:40:58,628
and how can you
change the world?

891
00:40:58,766 --> 00:41:02,356
And then the subject came
up that if you're going

892
00:41:02,494 --> 00:41:05,635
to make a difference,
you pick something

893
00:41:05,773 --> 00:41:08,638
that's important enough
to dedicate a lifetime.

894
00:41:08,776 --> 00:41:10,537
♪ Do we take to the road ♪

895
00:41:10,675 --> 00:41:13,367
♪ And make tomorrow today ♪

896
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:16,853
♪ Or take to our heels boys ♪

897
00:41:16,991 --> 00:41:20,581
♪ And watch her fade away ♪

898
00:41:22,687 --> 00:41:24,896
- [Harry] I would say
that my prime goal in life

899
00:41:25,034 --> 00:41:26,449
is to have an
impact in that area.

900
00:41:26,587 --> 00:41:27,519
Why?

901
00:41:27,657 --> 00:41:29,417
Because it is the
most basic area.

902
00:41:29,556 --> 00:41:31,730
The fact is hunger
also involves ecology.

903
00:41:31,868 --> 00:41:33,042
It also involves energy.

904
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:35,044
It also involves women's
rights and about economics

905
00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:36,148
and about politics.

906
00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:39,807
It involves the future
of our own kind.

907
00:41:39,945 --> 00:41:43,052
- So Harry was right, as he
was right about so many things.

908
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:44,847
There's no need for hunger.

909
00:41:44,985 --> 00:41:48,609
It's an abnormality
in the human economic

910
00:41:48,747 --> 00:41:50,024
and political condition.

911
00:41:50,162 --> 00:41:51,267
It's a farce.

912
00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:55,858
- [Dave] What they did was they
knew something about people,

913
00:41:55,996 --> 00:41:58,170
they knew who they
wanted to help.

914
00:41:58,308 --> 00:42:00,828
- They made a commitment over
the years to spend the rest

915
00:42:00,966 --> 00:42:02,865
of our lives fighting poverty.

916
00:42:03,003 --> 00:42:04,936
- [Ken] His philosophy
about stuff, his feelings

917
00:42:05,074 --> 00:42:09,457
about the importance of
solving these core issues,

918
00:42:09,596 --> 00:42:11,149
were really amazing.

919
00:42:11,287 --> 00:42:13,461
♪ A song beyond the walls ♪

920
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,464
♪ Through the open
roads and the skyways ♪

921
00:42:16,603 --> 00:42:19,157
♪ Is where our future goes ♪

922
00:42:19,295 --> 00:42:20,779
- [Dave] The two of them
had taken on the world.

923
00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:23,402
- Harry and I both recognized,
right from the beginning,

924
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,404
that if you want
to solve hunger,

925
00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:26,164
you can't just feed people.

926
00:42:26,302 --> 00:42:27,717
That's the first step.

927
00:42:27,855 --> 00:42:30,444
And at the time that
movement was just beginning,

928
00:42:30,582 --> 00:42:31,583
emergency food.

929
00:42:31,721 --> 00:42:33,102
And so we got into that.

930
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,104
- You know, and it was
right around the time

931
00:42:35,242 --> 00:42:36,657
of the Bangladesh concert.

932
00:42:36,795 --> 00:42:38,763
And I think they
decided we could

933
00:42:38,901 --> 00:42:42,145
do a Bangladesh type
concert for hunger.

934
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,843
♪ See the love, love
that's sleeping ♪

935
00:42:49,981 --> 00:42:51,638
- [Sandy] Bill and Harry talking

936
00:42:51,776 --> 00:42:53,640
about the concert in Bangladesh.

937
00:42:53,778 --> 00:42:55,987
- So I said to Harry,
why don't we do a

938
00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:58,921
kind of Bangladesh type
concert, but make it for Africa.

939
00:42:59,059 --> 00:43:00,992
He said, "Great
idea, I love it."

940
00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:03,132
So we went to the UN.

941
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:04,754
He knew a guy at the UN,

942
00:43:04,892 --> 00:43:06,480
and the guy said, "Yeah,
it's a great idea."

943
00:43:06,618 --> 00:43:08,724
- Bill, and I guess Harry,
who I really didn't,

944
00:43:08,862 --> 00:43:10,864
it might even have been
the first time I met Harry.

945
00:43:11,002 --> 00:43:13,591
And they explained
to us that they

946
00:43:13,729 --> 00:43:15,558
were gonna do this concert.

947
00:43:15,696 --> 00:43:17,629
- And we had several,
several meetings,

948
00:43:17,767 --> 00:43:20,218
but it never worked out.

949
00:43:20,356 --> 00:43:22,979
♪ It was an early
morning bar room ♪

950
00:43:23,117 --> 00:43:25,913
♪ And the place just opened up ♪

951
00:43:26,051 --> 00:43:29,607
♪ And the little man
come in so fast and ♪

952
00:43:29,745 --> 00:43:32,092
♪ Started at his cup. ♪

953
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:35,785
- [Tom] They began to
realize a couple of things.

954
00:43:35,923 --> 00:43:38,236
First of all, this is a
world that can feed itself.

955
00:43:38,374 --> 00:43:42,689
And second of all, that a
concert wasn't gonna do it.

956
00:43:42,827 --> 00:43:46,831
Something had to be
here today, next week,

957
00:43:46,969 --> 00:43:51,076
a month from now, a year
from now, 10 years from now.

958
00:43:51,214 --> 00:43:52,802
And in the course of that,

959
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:54,597
they decided we really
need an organization

960
00:43:54,735 --> 00:43:56,772
that is just working on this.

961
00:43:56,910 --> 00:43:59,637
And Bill and Harry
said, we could do this.

962
00:43:59,775 --> 00:44:02,053
♪ But the little
man just sat there ♪

963
00:44:02,191 --> 00:44:06,954
♪ Like he'd never
heard a sound ♪

964
00:44:07,092 --> 00:44:10,095
♪ The waitress she
gave out with a cough ♪

965
00:44:10,233 --> 00:44:13,236
- [Bill] We've had
some fantastic bombs,

966
00:44:13,374 --> 00:44:15,929
in terms of some concerts
that we tried to plan

967
00:44:16,067 --> 00:44:17,137
that didn't come off.

968
00:44:17,275 --> 00:44:19,035
But we've done, how
many, about 50 concerts?

969
00:44:19,173 --> 00:44:22,694
- Yeah, Yeah, well, the thing,
Bill, is as you have said,

970
00:44:22,832 --> 00:44:24,938
and I, I mean, it's a thing
that I believe in strongly

971
00:44:25,076 --> 00:44:28,148
that if you're serious about
something you're not looking

972
00:44:28,286 --> 00:44:30,081
for the one march,
the one concert.

973
00:44:30,219 --> 00:44:33,671
That you're involved
on a day to day basis,

974
00:44:33,809 --> 00:44:35,534
you here today, tomorrow,
next week, next month,

975
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,640
next year, 10 years from now.

976
00:44:37,778 --> 00:44:40,160
- I didn't know Bill
enough or Harry,

977
00:44:40,298 --> 00:44:42,231
to know that that's
what they did.

978
00:44:42,369 --> 00:44:43,335
They did the impossible.

979
00:44:43,473 --> 00:44:45,717
- He was in a hurry
to do everything,

980
00:44:45,855 --> 00:44:49,756
make everything he
could happen, you know.

981
00:44:49,894 --> 00:44:53,656
And literally believed
that through his efforts

982
00:44:53,794 --> 00:44:56,866
and the efforts, if he could
get the politicians involved,

983
00:44:57,004 --> 00:44:59,213
he could eliminate
these issues of hunger

984
00:44:59,351 --> 00:45:01,215
and homelessness and poverty.

985
00:45:01,353 --> 00:45:02,872
- [Bill] Let's talk
about our dreams here.

986
00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:04,218
- [Harry] Well, it's
an interesting time.

987
00:45:04,356 --> 00:45:06,186
I hope they don't
forget the fact

988
00:45:06,324 --> 00:45:08,671
that what America truly
stands for is not B1 Bombers.

989
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:11,087
What makes us unique
is human rights,

990
00:45:11,225 --> 00:45:13,572
human needs and human dignity.

991
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:14,746
- Not so bad.

992
00:45:16,368 --> 00:45:17,922
- Wow, looks great!

993
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:21,822
It's interesting to
look back to the 1970s

994
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,791
into the friendship
that Bill and Harry had

995
00:45:24,929 --> 00:45:27,000
and the vision that they shared,

996
00:45:27,138 --> 00:45:30,797
and how active they
were in Washington, DC.

997
00:45:31,763 --> 00:45:36,526
♪ It was the town that
made America famous ♪

998
00:45:37,527 --> 00:45:39,253
- He's really looking
for commonality.

999
00:45:39,391 --> 00:45:41,635
He was trying to figure out
what the biggest issues were,

1000
00:45:41,773 --> 00:45:43,257
who wanted to be involved
in the biggest issues,

1001
00:45:43,395 --> 00:45:46,191
and how they could work
together for a solution.

1002
00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:50,368
- I loved when Bill and
Harry would come in.

1003
00:45:50,506 --> 00:45:53,267
One would be the crashing surf,

1004
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:56,684
the other would be
the gentle stream.

1005
00:45:56,823 --> 00:45:59,722
But both delivered the message.

1006
00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:01,724
- And I think when
he and Bill met,

1007
00:46:01,862 --> 00:46:03,277
they were both very
positive people

1008
00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,901
who believed in the
power of possibility.

1009
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,421
And neither of them, not
just wouldn't take no

1010
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,734
for an answer, they didn't
think that no really existed

1011
00:46:11,872 --> 00:46:13,046
in the hearts of other people,

1012
00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:15,324
because the two of them
were such yes people.

1013
00:46:15,462 --> 00:46:17,326
And in that sense
sometimes I think Sandy

1014
00:46:17,464 --> 00:46:20,225
and I both married a preacher.

1015
00:46:20,363 --> 00:46:22,538
- His political sensibility

1016
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:27,163
was also kind of
prophetic and timeless.

1017
00:46:27,301 --> 00:46:32,306
♪ Now they were the folks
that made America famous ♪

1018
00:46:33,135 --> 00:46:34,930
- So we started
knocking on doors.

1019
00:46:35,068 --> 00:46:36,207
And Harry was very persuasive.

1020
00:46:36,345 --> 00:46:37,415
He walked in like this and say,

1021
00:46:37,553 --> 00:46:40,142
I got this presidential
commission, why

1022
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,110
- He had entree on a
lot of different levels

1023
00:46:43,248 --> 00:46:44,491
and he would use them.

1024
00:46:44,629 --> 00:46:46,907
And it's not as if he would
say hello and greet them.

1025
00:46:47,045 --> 00:46:51,084
He would say, hello, and
say, what are you doing?

1026
00:46:51,222 --> 00:46:55,088
- Well we thought 52,
I guess we had 52, 53.

1027
00:46:55,226 --> 00:46:58,022
- And we have a number of
people who have not signed it,

1028
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,403
who have said that if
it comes to a vote,

1029
00:47:00,541 --> 00:47:02,060
they'll vote for it.

1030
00:47:02,198 --> 00:47:04,407
And they also will not
do anything to stop it

1031
00:47:04,545 --> 00:47:06,375
from going up on the
unanimous consent.

1032
00:47:06,513 --> 00:47:09,378
- Well we got, I think just
I this morning from Chicago,

1033
00:47:09,516 --> 00:47:11,173
called a bunch of senators.

1034
00:47:11,311 --> 00:47:13,934
- But Baker said
that he wouldn't.

1035
00:47:14,072 --> 00:47:17,006
- We're gonna share some
songs here for a little while.

1036
00:47:17,144 --> 00:47:18,905
- Do you know who he is?

1037
00:47:19,043 --> 00:47:20,044
This is my brother,
Harry Chapin.

1038
00:47:20,182 --> 00:47:22,115
[Harry laughing]

1039
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:25,290
♪ I was crammed into
a coffee house pew ♪

1040
00:47:25,428 --> 00:47:26,464
- I think if there was some way

1041
00:47:26,602 --> 00:47:29,916
that we could harness
Harry's energy,

1042
00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:34,437
we could solve all the
problems in the world:

1043
00:47:34,575 --> 00:47:39,511
energy problem, world food
problems and everything else.

1044
00:47:39,649 --> 00:47:42,342
Harry and I have
become quite friendly,

1045
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,828
worked very closely together
on the whole question

1046
00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:47,347
of world food.

1047
00:47:47,485 --> 00:47:50,315
He's been in my
office nearly daily

1048
00:47:51,385 --> 00:47:53,146
and then he's off to
somewhere like California

1049
00:47:53,284 --> 00:47:54,457
for the afternoon or evening,

1050
00:47:54,595 --> 00:47:56,459
and is back again
later in the same day.

1051
00:47:56,597 --> 00:47:59,290
- I bought what Henry
Kissinger said in 1974

1052
00:47:59,428 --> 00:48:01,119
at the World Food
Conference, and he said,

1053
00:48:01,257 --> 00:48:03,535
I think it indicate
the focus that Harry

1054
00:48:03,673 --> 00:48:06,953
and others want to
place on the resolution.

1055
00:48:07,091 --> 00:48:09,403
Now, passing a resolution
itself does nothing.

1056
00:48:09,541 --> 00:48:11,543
- About the commission,
because it's asked

1057
00:48:11,681 --> 00:48:13,269
to answer difficult questions

1058
00:48:13,407 --> 00:48:16,203
about the United States
policies affecting hunger.

1059
00:48:16,341 --> 00:48:17,895
We're asking, what are we doing?

1060
00:48:18,033 --> 00:48:19,310
Can we do it better?

1061
00:48:19,448 --> 00:48:21,346
And can we do more?

1062
00:48:21,484 --> 00:48:26,524
♪ Say they know
what's going on ♪

1063
00:48:26,662 --> 00:48:29,976
♪ But I sometimes think
the difference is ♪

1064
00:48:30,114 --> 00:48:32,426
♪ Just in how I think and see ♪

1065
00:48:32,564 --> 00:48:36,154
♪ And the only
changes going on ♪

1066
00:48:36,292 --> 00:48:39,364
♪ Are going on in me ♪

1067
00:48:40,538 --> 00:48:43,127
- [Bill] We actually were
able to get a majority

1068
00:48:43,265 --> 00:48:47,234
of congressmen to sign on
to this and vote to say yes.

1069
00:48:47,372 --> 00:48:49,788
And then named Harry
as one of the members

1070
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:50,997
of the commission.

1071
00:48:51,135 --> 00:48:52,895
- [Ken] What is unique
about this person?

1072
00:48:53,033 --> 00:48:54,862
What is it that when
they walk in the room,

1073
00:48:55,001 --> 00:48:56,485
they dominate the room?

1074
00:48:56,623 --> 00:48:59,488
Everything changes, there's
a whole different energy

1075
00:48:59,626 --> 00:49:02,180
in the room and
dynamic and karma

1076
00:49:02,318 --> 00:49:03,941
or whatever you wanna call it.

1077
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,081
And Harry was one
of those people.

1078
00:49:06,219 --> 00:49:08,911
And I saw that the first
moment I met with him.

1079
00:49:09,049 --> 00:49:12,225
[audience applauding]

1080
00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:17,333
- You guys don't do bad
after you're pushed a little.

1081
00:49:17,471 --> 00:49:19,611
Same way by Congress,
I tell you, same thing.

1082
00:49:19,749 --> 00:49:22,235
- What a lovely man
and how right was he?

1083
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:24,927
But he lobbied to
nicely in Congress.

1084
00:49:25,065 --> 00:49:28,241
You know, those fuckers are up
for election every two years,

1085
00:49:28,379 --> 00:49:29,552
take them out.

1086
00:49:30,691 --> 00:49:32,866
They're so vulnerable.

1087
00:49:33,004 --> 00:49:34,385
- He called me one
day and he said,

1088
00:49:34,523 --> 00:49:35,903
"We're going to
the White House."

1089
00:49:36,042 --> 00:49:40,046
Carter had invited a whole
bunch of record company people.

1090
00:49:40,184 --> 00:49:42,980
They got the idea that we
had about doing a concert.

1091
00:49:43,118 --> 00:49:44,464
So Harry said, "You
gotta get dressed up."

1092
00:49:44,602 --> 00:49:46,293
I said, "Me get dressed up?

1093
00:49:46,431 --> 00:49:47,501
"You got to get dressed up."

1094
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:48,847
"Oh no, wait until
you see it," he said,

1095
00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:50,194
"Sandy bought me a new suit."

1096
00:49:50,332 --> 00:49:51,333
Oh, okay.

1097
00:49:51,471 --> 00:49:52,437
- I walk in the
white house, right?

1098
00:49:52,575 --> 00:49:54,060
I dropped a piece of paper.

1099
00:49:54,198 --> 00:49:56,614
I leaned down, I go,
[imitates ripping sound]

1100
00:49:56,752 --> 00:50:00,376
My pants are ripped from here
all the way through to here.

1101
00:50:00,514 --> 00:50:02,516
So for the rest of the
day, I'm going like.

1102
00:50:02,654 --> 00:50:04,242
Can you imagine the secret
service men watching me,

1103
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:05,554
I'm going like this.

1104
00:50:05,692 --> 00:50:07,418
[audience laughing]

1105
00:50:07,556 --> 00:50:08,626
Incredible.

1106
00:50:09,627 --> 00:50:10,938
- Meeting was not going too well

1107
00:50:11,077 --> 00:50:12,871
and these record company guys
are going, buh, buh, buh.

1108
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:14,114
Harry stands up and he says,

1109
00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:16,358
"I've been pedaling
my rear end for hunger

1110
00:50:16,496 --> 00:50:17,704
"for all these years."

1111
00:50:17,842 --> 00:50:20,017
And he turns around and
he shows them. [laughs]

1112
00:50:20,155 --> 00:50:21,811
- I met Harry in 1978.

1113
00:50:23,054 --> 00:50:24,297
I was in the studio.

1114
00:50:24,435 --> 00:50:27,472
He was making a record
in another studio.

1115
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:31,304
And he came smiling up to me
and started talking to me.

1116
00:50:31,442 --> 00:50:35,170
And 20 minutes went
by, 30 minutes went by.

1117
00:50:36,447 --> 00:50:39,553
We talked about everything,
politics, music.

1118
00:50:39,691 --> 00:50:41,038
Yeah, he's a nice guy.

1119
00:50:41,176 --> 00:50:42,694
- This was true about
Harry, he loved to talk.

1120
00:50:42,832 --> 00:50:45,111
- Not only would he leave
the room in the middle

1121
00:50:45,249 --> 00:50:46,698
of one of your sentences,
he'd leave the room

1122
00:50:46,836 --> 00:50:48,528
in the middle of one
of his sentences.

1123
00:50:48,666 --> 00:50:52,980
His mind was always two minutes
ahead of what was going on.

1124
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,018
- He'd be walking along
and you'd be running.

1125
00:50:56,156 --> 00:50:58,193
- [Ken] I couldn't keep
up with Harry Chapin.

1126
00:50:58,331 --> 00:51:00,954
Harry Chapman was in a hurry
about everything in his life.

1127
00:51:01,092 --> 00:51:01,989
- Whose pencil did I steal here?

1128
00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:03,439
- He had a kind of leadership

1129
00:51:03,577 --> 00:51:05,614
that I always called
the Pied Piper.

1130
00:51:05,752 --> 00:51:07,478
- Mr. Chapin, you said
something in your concert

1131
00:51:07,616 --> 00:51:11,482
about world hunger, about
you helping with that.

1132
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:13,484
And I don't think
that's much of a problem

1133
00:51:13,622 --> 00:51:16,590
because I feel if we can
just improve agriculture

1134
00:51:16,728 --> 00:51:18,282
in the underdeveloped countries,

1135
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:20,560
that ought to be
sufficient to help it.

1136
00:51:20,698 --> 00:51:22,493
- Well, it's
interesting, you know,

1137
00:51:22,631 --> 00:51:24,736
one of the things we're
trying to make people aware of

1138
00:51:24,874 --> 00:51:27,222
both for World Hunger Year,
which we founded five years ago

1139
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,982
on the president's
commission on world hunger,

1140
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,363
which I'm a member
of, is the fact

1141
00:51:30,501 --> 00:51:32,641
that there's so many
myths about hunger.

1142
00:51:32,779 --> 00:51:34,298
And one of them is that
we got too many people

1143
00:51:34,436 --> 00:51:35,678
and not enough food.

1144
00:51:35,816 --> 00:51:37,163
And if we just grow enough food

1145
00:51:37,301 --> 00:51:40,373
and stop the population
expansion that we

1146
00:51:40,511 --> 00:51:43,514
But this is belied very clearly
by a country that you may

1147
00:51:43,652 --> 00:51:45,412
have heard of called the
United States of America.

1148
00:51:45,550 --> 00:51:47,345
- I live in the Bronx.

1149
00:51:47,483 --> 00:51:50,624
The Bronx, out of 62
counties in New York state,

1150
00:51:50,762 --> 00:51:54,421
the Bronx ranks 62 as
the most unhealthiest.

1151
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:55,767
Yeah, so this is the
garden of happiness

1152
00:51:55,905 --> 00:51:58,218
and this is the 30th year.

1153
00:51:58,356 --> 00:52:00,496
So I tell people
that if you were sad,

1154
00:52:00,634 --> 00:52:04,707
not feeling well, when you
come in here, you'll see,

1155
00:52:04,845 --> 00:52:06,226
you'll feel happy.

1156
00:52:06,364 --> 00:52:08,228
So that's why we call it
the garden of happiness.

1157
00:52:08,366 --> 00:52:10,161
It's a valley of love for me.

1158
00:52:10,299 --> 00:52:11,576
I enjoy the people here.

1159
00:52:11,714 --> 00:52:14,614
I enjoy waking up in the
morning to hear the birds sing.

1160
00:52:14,752 --> 00:52:16,167
I enjoy nature.

1161
00:52:16,926 --> 00:52:21,414
And most of all, I enjoy
the people and the children.

1162
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,486
- [Harry] I mean, the
fact is we've had hunger

1163
00:52:24,624 --> 00:52:26,281
all the way through human
history and there's some things

1164
00:52:26,419 --> 00:52:27,558
that we're gonna
have to do about it.

1165
00:52:27,696 --> 00:52:29,007
- [Bill] Some basic changes.

1166
00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,457
- [Harry] Right?

1167
00:52:30,595 --> 00:52:31,941
- [Bill] And some of those
are political and economic.

1168
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:34,323
- [Harry] And people have to
be aware of what they can do

1169
00:52:34,461 --> 00:52:36,222
or how these things
could caused.

1170
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,293
Many of the economic
dislocations in this country

1171
00:52:38,431 --> 00:52:40,053
right now, they're causing
hardship for some people

1172
00:52:40,191 --> 00:52:41,710
have a basis in the same thing

1173
00:52:41,848 --> 00:52:43,505
that are making people
starve in other countries.

1174
00:52:43,643 --> 00:52:47,474
- And so this is quote unquote,
a low income neighborhood.

1175
00:52:47,612 --> 00:52:50,753
But for me, it's not about
being about low income,

1176
00:52:50,891 --> 00:52:52,583
marginalized or poor.

1177
00:52:52,721 --> 00:52:54,688
It's about changing
the lens of those

1178
00:52:54,826 --> 00:52:59,383
that have been the victim
of politics, of racism,

1179
00:52:59,521 --> 00:53:01,937
in terms of hunger and poverty.

1180
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:07,632
♪ He's the last of
the protest singers ♪

1181
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:10,601
♪ Selling truth and commitment ♪

1182
00:53:10,739 --> 00:53:13,466
♪ He don't get much
work these days ♪

1183
00:53:13,604 --> 00:53:16,400
♪ He's billed as a novelty act ♪

1184
00:53:16,538 --> 00:53:18,195
- [Harry] You can fool
people for a amount of time,

1185
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:21,267
but in the long run, if you
wanted to know where America was

1186
00:53:21,405 --> 00:53:24,684
in the '60s, you have to listen
to Dylan, to the Beatles,

1187
00:53:24,822 --> 00:53:27,445
to Paul Simon, to Crosby,
Stills, Nash, and Young.

1188
00:53:27,583 --> 00:53:30,483
You do not need, look
at the top 20 albums,

1189
00:53:30,621 --> 00:53:32,139
you do not need
listen to those albums

1190
00:53:32,278 --> 00:53:33,313
to know where America--

1191
00:53:33,451 --> 00:53:34,521
- [Bill] With a
couple of exceptions.

1192
00:53:34,659 --> 00:53:35,350
- [Harry] Okay, well
I think one of them,

1193
00:53:35,488 --> 00:53:36,627
you were about to mention.

1194
00:53:36,765 --> 00:53:37,766
- [Bill] Yeah, absolutely,
Bruce Springsteen,

1195
00:53:37,904 --> 00:53:39,043
I think is a very
good example of that.

1196
00:53:39,181 --> 00:53:41,321
- I wouldn't say Bruce
necessarily missed meals,

1197
00:53:41,459 --> 00:53:45,463
but I think it was
part of a thin margin.

1198
00:53:45,601 --> 00:53:49,087
- Next night I came in, Harry
comes bounding up smiling,

1199
00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:51,538
and he starts talking to me.

1200
00:53:51,676 --> 00:53:54,334
30 minutes goes by, so finally,

1201
00:53:55,508 --> 00:53:58,027
I used to try to hide from him.

1202
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,514
I'd come in and I'd
ask the secretary

1203
00:54:01,652 --> 00:54:04,310
if Harry was in the lobby.

1204
00:54:04,448 --> 00:54:06,829
Then I'd sneak in the studio.

1205
00:54:06,967 --> 00:54:08,659
- I guess I've been
known for the last three

1206
00:54:08,797 --> 00:54:09,901
or four years of
the most politically

1207
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,836
and socially active
performer in America.

1208
00:54:13,974 --> 00:54:15,873
I found a lot of music
critics are wishing I'd spend

1209
00:54:16,011 --> 00:54:17,737
more time in politics
and a lot of politicians

1210
00:54:17,875 --> 00:54:19,739
that wished that I was
spending more time in music.

1211
00:54:19,877 --> 00:54:22,259
But anyway, or at least
suggesting that I do.

1212
00:54:22,397 --> 00:54:26,124
- He chose what he chose,
and the day that he chose it,

1213
00:54:26,263 --> 00:54:28,437
he threw down everything he had.

1214
00:54:28,575 --> 00:54:30,750
- That's also part of
the Harry and Bill thing,

1215
00:54:30,888 --> 00:54:32,648
which is they're
interested in the work.

1216
00:54:32,786 --> 00:54:34,685
And we said, how do
we get this done?

1217
00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:36,203
How do we help?

1218
00:54:36,342 --> 00:54:37,722
And how do we make
this move forward

1219
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:40,207
and move this increment,
you know, really,

1220
00:54:40,346 --> 00:54:41,899
really help this situation.

1221
00:54:42,037 --> 00:54:44,522
- Is the idea of a participatory
democracy outmoded?

1222
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:47,284
Is the American dream outmoded?

1223
00:54:48,354 --> 00:54:50,942
- As far as his
sense of citizenship,

1224
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,430
his sense of patriotism,
you look at words he said,

1225
00:54:55,568 --> 00:54:57,949
words he wrote 30-odd years ago

1226
00:54:58,087 --> 00:55:01,090
and they ring out
beautifully today.

1227
00:55:02,506 --> 00:55:06,233
- I think the thing that makes
all of us want to be alive,

1228
00:55:06,372 --> 00:55:07,718
it's to matter.

1229
00:55:07,856 --> 00:55:09,478
And the way you matter is to
care enough about something

1230
00:55:09,616 --> 00:55:10,721
so you keep doing it.

1231
00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:12,516
- Harry and Bill were
ahead of their time

1232
00:55:12,654 --> 00:55:14,518
because really what happened

1233
00:55:14,656 --> 00:55:15,829
when they started
the organization,

1234
00:55:15,967 --> 00:55:17,935
there was like a hundred
soup kitchens and pantries

1235
00:55:18,073 --> 00:55:20,455
in New York city,
now there's 1300.

1236
00:55:20,593 --> 00:55:22,215
There's no less hunger.

1237
00:55:22,353 --> 00:55:25,322
So they always had a
root cause approach

1238
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:29,843
to look at the systems
and structures that

1239
00:55:29,981 --> 00:55:32,536
What is at that intersection?

1240
00:55:32,674 --> 00:55:35,435
which we, at Why Hunger,
define as social justice.

1241
00:55:35,573 --> 00:55:38,611
You have to solve hunger
by looking at poverty,

1242
00:55:38,749 --> 00:55:41,372
by looking at a social justice.

1243
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:45,687
And when you do that, there
are plenty of people out there,

1244
00:55:45,825 --> 00:55:47,792
and this is what
makes me hopeful,

1245
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:52,590
that we can live the vision
that Bill and Harry charted

1246
00:55:52,728 --> 00:55:54,143
so many years ago.

1247
00:55:55,731 --> 00:55:57,699
- Harry's pumping the
crowds, "Are you ready?"

1248
00:55:57,837 --> 00:55:59,908
You know, "Are you ready?"

1249
00:56:00,046 --> 00:56:01,288
- Are you ready?

1250
00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:04,671
- Since it's halftime and
Harry's in the toilet,

1251
00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:08,295
you know, in the dumper
and here's them come in.

1252
00:56:08,434 --> 00:56:09,538
And hears them
talking about him.

1253
00:56:09,676 --> 00:56:10,677
And it's Wallace, and says,

1254
00:56:10,815 --> 00:56:12,472
"If I hear one more
freaking time."

1255
00:56:12,610 --> 00:56:13,646
- "Are you ready?"

1256
00:56:13,784 --> 00:56:14,854
- "Are you ready?"

1257
00:56:14,992 --> 00:56:15,751
Are you ready?

1258
00:56:15,889 --> 00:56:16,649
- "Are you ready?"

1259
00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:17,788
- For every song.

1260
00:56:17,926 --> 00:56:19,514
- Are you ready?

1261
00:56:19,652 --> 00:56:22,689
- Back in the cheap seats,
they're ready. [snorting]

1262
00:56:22,827 --> 00:56:24,381
- Barking at
halftime or whatever,

1263
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:26,003
I'm mumbling and
cursing under my breath.

1264
00:56:26,141 --> 00:56:27,694
You know?

1265
00:56:27,832 --> 00:56:29,558
And I thought I heard a
little rustle in the stall

1266
00:56:29,696 --> 00:56:32,389
or something, but you know,
took a leak or whatever,

1267
00:56:32,527 --> 00:56:34,908
I'm still cursing and
mumbling, that son of a bitch

1268
00:56:35,046 --> 00:56:37,463
and are you ready
and other bullshit.

1269
00:56:37,601 --> 00:56:39,396
- I say the funniest
thing about Harry,

1270
00:56:39,534 --> 00:56:40,466
so Harry, what'd you do?

1271
00:56:40,604 --> 00:56:41,812
He says, "I pulled my legs up."

1272
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:43,434
Which is the funniest
thing I've ever heard.

1273
00:56:43,572 --> 00:56:45,816
Anybody else would've said,
"I can hear you, Big John."

1274
00:56:45,954 --> 00:56:46,989
You know, it'd be like that.

1275
00:56:47,127 --> 00:56:48,508
But instead, I
pulled my legs up.

1276
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:50,303
I said, that's what a man.

1277
00:56:50,441 --> 00:56:51,787
- He never said a word until--

1278
00:56:51,925 --> 00:56:52,995
- Never said a word.

1279
00:56:53,133 --> 00:56:54,549
The second half he's
doing the same shit.

1280
00:56:54,687 --> 00:56:55,722
Are you ready?

1281
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:57,068
Are you ready?

1282
00:56:57,206 --> 00:56:58,587
At one point, he turns
around with this big smile

1283
00:56:58,725 --> 00:57:03,592
on his face, "Are you
ready Big John?." [laughs]

1284
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:05,629
- So we went out to
California to mix.

1285
00:57:05,767 --> 00:57:10,323
I'm standing on this balcony,
third floor of this motel.

1286
00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:12,877
And I hear, "Hey, hey."

1287
00:57:13,015 --> 00:57:15,501
I looked down and there's Harry.

1288
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:16,536
[audience laughing]

1289
00:57:16,674 --> 00:57:18,365
And he starts talking to me.

1290
00:57:18,504 --> 00:57:19,643
[audience laughing]

1291
00:57:19,781 --> 00:57:22,024
- Talks to me for
that 40 minutes,

1292
00:57:22,162 --> 00:57:24,855
standing down there looking up.

1293
00:57:24,993 --> 00:57:26,753
He was trying to get
me to do something.

1294
00:57:26,891 --> 00:57:31,620
- Ralph Nader had called Jann
Wenner and said, you know,

1295
00:57:31,758 --> 00:57:34,761
this guy, Harry Chapin is
like the most effective person

1296
00:57:34,899 --> 00:57:37,108
I've ever seen on Capitol Hill.

1297
00:57:37,246 --> 00:57:38,869
- They should say to
me what music can be

1298
00:57:39,007 --> 00:57:43,667
is that synthesis of magic
and meaning that, well,

1299
00:57:43,805 --> 00:57:47,118
no other art form, I
think, does so well.

1300
00:57:50,018 --> 00:57:52,538
♪ Remember when the music ♪

1301
00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:57,681
♪ Came from wooden boxes
strung with silver wire ♪

1302
00:57:58,164 --> 00:58:00,718
- [Bill] I love that song,
and it was a very appropriate

1303
00:58:00,856 --> 00:58:04,584
entry here at this point,
because just at this very moment

1304
00:58:04,722 --> 00:58:07,863
in walks brother Tom, who
plays lead guitar on that.

1305
00:58:08,001 --> 00:58:08,968
How you doing Tom?

1306
00:58:09,106 --> 00:58:10,625
- [Tom] Good, Bill,
good to see you.

1307
00:58:10,763 --> 00:58:11,936
- [Bill] And not only
good plays lead guitar,

1308
00:58:12,074 --> 00:58:14,560
but also has helped
enormously in this venture

1309
00:58:14,698 --> 00:58:16,113
that Harry and I just
been talking about,

1310
00:58:16,251 --> 00:58:17,459
the World Hunger stuff.

1311
00:58:17,597 --> 00:58:19,047
You have bailed us out
any number of times.

1312
00:58:19,185 --> 00:58:21,118
- [Harry] My band calls
Tom the benefit band,

1313
00:58:21,256 --> 00:58:23,603
because every time I
need somebody to do

1314
00:58:23,741 --> 00:58:24,708
Tom is out there with me.

1315
00:58:24,846 --> 00:58:26,572
- [Bill] Yeah, that's great.

1316
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:28,401
- It's part of what
he wanted to do.

1317
00:58:28,539 --> 00:58:29,885
He was trying to raise
as much as he could.

1318
00:58:30,023 --> 00:58:33,855
- From daddy's speech
on volunteerism,

1319
00:58:33,993 --> 00:58:36,167
we must all go that extra mile.

1320
00:58:36,305 --> 00:58:39,516
We must be aggressive in the
sense of challenging others

1321
00:58:39,654 --> 00:58:43,071
and making them realize that
the American dream implies

1322
00:58:43,209 --> 00:58:46,695
that all of us must
be actively involved.

1323
00:58:47,731 --> 00:58:49,595
We all have the potential
to move the world

1324
00:58:49,733 --> 00:58:52,494
and the world is
ready to be moved.

1325
00:58:52,632 --> 00:58:55,670
- And I really do think
that people like Pete Seeger

1326
00:58:55,808 --> 00:58:59,156
inspired him and you
know, obviously my mother,

1327
00:58:59,294 --> 00:59:00,744
and Bill and others.

1328
00:59:00,882 --> 00:59:05,542
And I think that anybody who
is able to accomplish something

1329
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,958
hopes that it doesn't end
and that it continues,

1330
00:59:08,096 --> 00:59:11,030
but that relies on other
people to also be inspired,

1331
00:59:11,168 --> 00:59:13,584
to be passionate,
to be committed.

1332
00:59:13,722 --> 00:59:15,482
- [Bill] What we wanna
talk about tonight

1333
00:59:15,621 --> 00:59:18,002
is this whole business
of changing the world.

1334
00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:19,486
We got into that last week.

1335
00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:21,454
I take small topics like
that, you know me, right?

1336
00:59:21,592 --> 00:59:24,146
The topic that we'd
like to get into

1337
00:59:24,284 --> 00:59:28,599
is not only hunger, but your
attitude towards society

1338
00:59:28,737 --> 00:59:30,463
and your role within it.

1339
00:59:30,601 --> 00:59:32,707
Whether you think you
have any possibility

1340
00:59:32,845 --> 00:59:34,225
of changing anything,

1341
00:59:34,363 --> 00:59:35,882
maybe you've gotten
a little bit cynical.

1342
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:36,883
Do you think so?

1343
00:59:37,021 --> 00:59:38,471
Do you think that the two of us

1344
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:39,714
are absolutely out of our minds?

1345
00:59:39,852 --> 00:59:41,819
I mean, some of our
friends think we are.

1346
00:59:41,957 --> 00:59:43,718
- [Harry] Yeah, some of our
friends are probably right.

1347
00:59:43,856 --> 00:59:45,927
♪ There you stand
in your dungarees ♪

1348
00:59:46,065 --> 00:59:48,861
♪ Looking all grown up
and so very pleased ♪

1349
00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:51,933
♪ When you write your poems
they have so much to say ♪

1350
00:59:52,071 --> 00:59:53,693
- One of my favorite
stories about Harry

1351
00:59:53,831 --> 00:59:56,765
is taking him to a Laker game
in 1980 on election night.

1352
00:59:56,903 --> 00:59:59,216
- I was in a limo with
Ken Kragen and Harry

1353
00:59:59,354 --> 01:00:02,633
outside the Forum in
Inglewood, California,

1354
01:00:02,771 --> 01:00:04,497
and I was really excited,

1355
01:00:04,635 --> 01:00:06,188
being a New York
Knicks fan all life

1356
01:00:06,326 --> 01:00:08,121
to sit courtside at the Lakers.

1357
01:00:08,259 --> 01:00:10,123
We get to the game, and
it's a little surreal,

1358
01:00:10,261 --> 01:00:11,918
because we're down
to the courtside

1359
01:00:12,056 --> 01:00:13,023
and Jack Nicholson's there,

1360
01:00:13,161 --> 01:00:14,645
and it's the Lakers
in the Forum.

1361
01:00:14,783 --> 01:00:17,061
It's kind of fun, but
there's this ominous feeling.

1362
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,546
- Right now Jimmy
Carter's preparing

1363
01:00:19,685 --> 01:00:22,066
to get into the
presidential limousine.

1364
01:00:22,204 --> 01:00:24,724
He will be making his
concession speech.

1365
01:00:24,862 --> 01:00:28,141
- And I'm sitting with
Harry during the game.

1366
01:00:28,279 --> 01:00:31,766
We have been in the back
room watching television

1367
01:00:31,904 --> 01:00:34,872
and what was happening
in the election.

1368
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:38,151
- I promised you four years ago

1369
01:00:38,289 --> 01:00:41,292
that I would never lie to you.

1370
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:45,745
So I can't stand here tonight
and say it doesn't hurt.

1371
01:00:45,883 --> 01:00:47,885
- [Ken] And suddenly he
said to me, you know what?

1372
01:00:48,023 --> 01:00:50,923
I've lost most of the Democrats
that were my supporters

1373
01:00:51,061 --> 01:00:54,098
on stuff I was trying to
get done on the issues

1374
01:00:54,236 --> 01:00:56,722
of hunger and
homelessness and poverty.

1375
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:00,864
- The president pledged
the utmost in cooperation

1376
01:01:01,002 --> 01:01:03,694
in the transition
that will take place.

1377
01:01:03,832 --> 01:01:05,178
- I'm gonna have
to leave right now,

1378
01:01:05,316 --> 01:01:06,593
I'm going to fly to
Washington immediately.

1379
01:01:06,732 --> 01:01:09,320
And they ran on an
anti-crime platform.

1380
01:01:09,458 --> 01:01:12,738
I'm going to show them how
the reduction in those issues

1381
01:01:12,876 --> 01:01:16,776
can really affect what
they want to accomplish.

1382
01:01:18,882 --> 01:01:21,194
- Reagan wasn't
interested in any of this.

1383
01:01:21,332 --> 01:01:24,128
♪ He was crazy of course ♪

1384
01:01:24,266 --> 01:01:27,131
♪ From the first she
must have known it ♪

1385
01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:31,618
Harry and I sat in his house
just a few miles from here.

1386
01:01:31,757 --> 01:01:34,069
And we went in tears
saying, you know,

1387
01:01:34,207 --> 01:01:37,003
a couple of years of our
lives doing this stuff.

1388
01:01:37,141 --> 01:01:39,868
And then we said, okay,
we're not gonna stop there.

1389
01:01:40,006 --> 01:01:41,974
We're gonna keep going.

1390
01:01:43,113 --> 01:01:47,807
♪ She believed in
his believing ♪

1391
01:01:47,945 --> 01:01:52,778
♪ Ah, he was the sun
burning bright and brittle ♪

1392
01:01:52,916 --> 01:01:57,921
♪ And she was the moon shining
back his light a little ♪

1393
01:01:58,438 --> 01:02:01,234
♪ He was a shooting star ♪

1394
01:02:01,372 --> 01:02:04,341
♪ She was softer
and more slowly ♪

1395
01:02:04,479 --> 01:02:06,032
- In your life, do
you wanna be one cover

1396
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:07,516
on Hit Parade Magazine,

1397
01:02:07,654 --> 01:02:11,382
or would you like to get the
Nobel Peace Prize? [laughs]

1398
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,867
- [Interviewer]
What was his answer?

1399
01:02:13,005 --> 01:02:14,385
- The Nobel peace prize.

1400
01:02:14,523 --> 01:02:17,388
- So, I mean, the fact is that
the news about Harry Chapin

1401
01:02:17,526 --> 01:02:18,942
right now is there's no news.

1402
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,115
I've been doing
this for nine years,

1403
01:02:20,253 --> 01:02:21,392
half my concerts are benefits.

1404
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:23,187
I'm mostly socially and
politically involved

1405
01:02:23,325 --> 01:02:25,845
performing in America,
I'm going to continue be.

1406
01:02:25,983 --> 01:02:26,950
I'm not gonna get bullied.

1407
01:02:27,088 --> 01:02:28,986
- Ken Kragen had
tried to manage Harry.

1408
01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:31,023
He was just, he was
the manager of Harry,

1409
01:02:31,161 --> 01:02:32,024
if you could manage him.

1410
01:02:32,162 --> 01:02:33,680
- One of my problems with Harry,

1411
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:36,131
trying to get Harry to
focus on his own career.

1412
01:02:36,269 --> 01:02:38,409
Harry would go do the
barbecue in your backyard

1413
01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:40,929
and raise a thousand
dollars for some charity.

1414
01:02:41,067 --> 01:02:44,381
Kenny Rogers was very
interested in those issues

1415
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:45,762
and that kind of thing.

1416
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:47,108
But he would go out

1417
01:02:47,246 --> 01:02:49,317
and raise a hundred
thousand dollars in a show.

1418
01:02:49,455 --> 01:02:51,975
- He may have been the
single most unselfish person

1419
01:02:52,113 --> 01:02:53,390
I've ever met in my life.

1420
01:02:53,528 --> 01:02:56,876
When he was really involved
in this hunger project,

1421
01:02:57,014 --> 01:03:00,328
he would do 150 shows
a year for hunger.

1422
01:03:01,225 --> 01:03:03,883
And he would donate, he would
make three or $4,000 a night

1423
01:03:04,021 --> 01:03:05,160
and he could donate
all this money

1424
01:03:05,298 --> 01:03:07,818
to the hunger
projects that he had.

1425
01:03:07,956 --> 01:03:09,751
- What Kenny raised
in one show was more

1426
01:03:09,889 --> 01:03:12,789
than what Harry raised
in a year shows.

1427
01:03:12,927 --> 01:03:13,859
But he loved it.

1428
01:03:13,997 --> 01:03:16,275
He loved the interaction
with the public.

1429
01:03:16,413 --> 01:03:18,277
He loved just talking to them.

1430
01:03:18,415 --> 01:03:20,382
He was such a people person,

1431
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,041
and was making money
signing merchandise.

1432
01:03:25,871 --> 01:03:27,734
He felt that was terrific.

1433
01:03:27,873 --> 01:03:30,772
♪ I've sung it all tonight. ♪

1434
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:32,394
- I'll be out in the lobby,
but I forgot to mention that,

1435
01:03:32,532 --> 01:03:35,190
signing anything
you want me to sign.

1436
01:03:35,328 --> 01:03:38,400
- He would come to the
Huntington Arts Festival,

1437
01:03:38,538 --> 01:03:41,403
which was in back of the YMCA.

1438
01:03:41,541 --> 01:03:43,198
He was there to attract people,

1439
01:03:43,336 --> 01:03:46,408
but he get there and take
tickets, he'd collect money.

1440
01:03:46,546 --> 01:03:48,963
He'd be all around the place.

1441
01:03:49,101 --> 01:03:51,034
He'd be singing to
people individually,

1442
01:03:51,172 --> 01:03:52,345
he'd be performing.

1443
01:03:52,483 --> 01:03:56,108
- I got up this morning
at 5:00 in Hampton Beach,

1444
01:03:56,246 --> 01:04:00,146
New Hampshire to get
a limousine driven

1445
01:04:00,284 --> 01:04:03,460
by a rather interesting old
gentlemen down to Logan airport

1446
01:04:03,598 --> 01:04:05,289
in Boston and flew down here.

1447
01:04:05,427 --> 01:04:07,188
And I'm impressed,
everybody's here ready to go.

1448
01:04:07,326 --> 01:04:10,156
I'm just barely ready
myself. [laughs]

1449
01:04:10,294 --> 01:04:14,333
- [Jeb] What happened is
that this frenetic energy

1450
01:04:14,471 --> 01:04:19,510
started to take the focus off
of kind of concrete planning

1451
01:04:19,925 --> 01:04:24,343
and maintenance of,
I know that's a word

1452
01:04:24,481 --> 01:04:27,760
maintenance, but of the career,

1453
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:29,313
which is what leverages it all.

1454
01:04:29,451 --> 01:04:32,213
- Every time he was asked
to help people, he did it.

1455
01:04:32,351 --> 01:04:36,148
- So cooperative and
willing to do anything

1456
01:04:36,286 --> 01:04:38,081
and everything
that we ask of him,

1457
01:04:38,219 --> 01:04:40,842
to the point of the guitar and
the pencil out of the cable

1458
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,154
and the whole thing.

1459
01:04:42,292 --> 01:04:43,810
- And he said one thing
that I always remembered,

1460
01:04:43,949 --> 01:04:46,020
he said, gee, you know,
I play one night for me

1461
01:04:46,158 --> 01:04:48,539
and one night for the other guy.

1462
01:04:48,677 --> 01:04:51,128
And later on when I was
trying to put my music

1463
01:04:51,266 --> 01:04:55,201
to some pragmatic piece,
I remember what he said.

1464
01:04:55,339 --> 01:04:57,859
Not being bent to extremism,

1465
01:04:57,997 --> 01:05:01,104
I wasn't as generous
as he was, but.

1466
01:05:01,242 --> 01:05:03,969
- It was a bone of
contention, you know,

1467
01:05:04,107 --> 01:05:06,178
I mean, with various people.

1468
01:05:06,316 --> 01:05:09,353
The band didn't think he should
be doing that many shows.

1469
01:05:09,491 --> 01:05:13,047
I mean, sometimes he
would do a show, you know,

1470
01:05:13,185 --> 01:05:16,429
50 miles from Columbus,
Ohio a month before we

1471
01:05:16,567 --> 01:05:19,570
were actually doing
municipal arena.

1472
01:05:20,571 --> 01:05:22,332
- I do about 200
concerts a year,

1473
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,436
about 100 which are benefits.

1474
01:05:23,574 --> 01:05:24,955
Mostly with the group,

1475
01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:26,405
but tonight it's gonna be
a little bit different.

1476
01:05:26,543 --> 01:05:27,889
- Really wanted to
make people happy.

1477
01:05:28,027 --> 01:05:30,202
So he didn't want to go
around pissing people off

1478
01:05:30,340 --> 01:05:31,824
or frustrating them.

1479
01:05:31,962 --> 01:05:33,515
It's just tough to stop
the train, you know?

1480
01:05:33,653 --> 01:05:36,518
And he certainly
couldn't get off.

1481
01:05:36,656 --> 01:05:37,934
- I wrote this song

1482
01:05:38,072 --> 01:05:40,074
about the same time I wrote
"Cat's in the Cradle."

1483
01:05:40,212 --> 01:05:41,868
- Well, he wasn't going
to be talked out of it.

1484
01:05:42,007 --> 01:05:43,077
- He could drive you crazy,

1485
01:05:43,215 --> 01:05:45,527
and he was completely
unscrupulous about

1486
01:05:45,665 --> 01:05:47,598
It was always for
the greater good,

1487
01:05:47,736 --> 01:05:49,600
and often it actually was.

1488
01:05:49,738 --> 01:05:54,088
♪ Where it's gone,
I did not know ♪

1489
01:05:55,158 --> 01:05:58,264
- [Billy] It was inspiring,
how motivated he was

1490
01:05:58,402 --> 01:05:59,541
to try to help others.

1491
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,474
You couldn't help but see that.

1492
01:06:01,612 --> 01:06:03,200
He was like a saint.

1493
01:06:03,338 --> 01:06:06,307
And to the point
of being a martyr.

1494
01:06:08,481 --> 01:06:12,347
- This is as far back
as September 16th, 1976.

1495
01:06:13,314 --> 01:06:16,351
And he's making
promises of how his life

1496
01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:19,113
is gonna look in November, 1976.

1497
01:06:19,251 --> 01:06:21,218
This one didn't take
[laughs] or really,

1498
01:06:21,356 --> 01:06:24,773
you can see how
difficult it was gonna be

1499
01:06:26,189 --> 01:06:28,915
for him to adhere to this
over a long period of time,

1500
01:06:29,054 --> 01:06:30,331
because there was
just too much to do.

1501
01:06:30,469 --> 01:06:32,919
At this time you got two
really powerful people.

1502
01:06:33,058 --> 01:06:35,336
Sandy is a powerful person.

1503
01:06:37,062 --> 01:06:38,960
Harry's an incredibly
powerful person.

1504
01:06:39,098 --> 01:06:43,723
And Harry is racing toward
whatever destiny he envisioned

1505
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:47,348
and worrying, getting it done.

1506
01:06:47,486 --> 01:06:50,144
And Sandy had been
through all this stuff.

1507
01:06:50,282 --> 01:06:53,216
The marriage was really
rocky right then.

1508
01:06:53,354 --> 01:06:54,907
- As you go through your
life, you get a little older,

1509
01:06:55,045 --> 01:06:56,115
you run a couple of
years under your belt.

1510
01:06:56,253 --> 01:06:58,428
You start realizing that
the story of your life

1511
01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:01,534
is not always those golden
dreams you're chasing,

1512
01:07:01,672 --> 01:07:04,434
but the people that you end
up spending your time with.

1513
01:07:04,572 --> 01:07:07,713
And usually, hopefully,
it's a spouse.

1514
01:07:08,610 --> 01:07:11,337
And so this is a song of a
guy whose spent some time

1515
01:07:11,475 --> 01:07:14,927
and suddenly is seeing his life
flashed back in front of him

1516
01:07:15,065 --> 01:07:16,687
and reassessing everything.

1517
01:07:16,825 --> 01:07:20,519
- Okay, Mr. Harry Chapin,
"Story of a Life."

1518
01:07:25,834 --> 01:07:28,458
♪ I can see myself
it's a golden sunrise ♪

1519
01:07:28,596 --> 01:07:30,701
♪ Young boy open up your eyes ♪

1520
01:07:30,839 --> 01:07:35,672
♪ It's supposed to be your day ♪

1521
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:39,227
♪ Now off you go horizon bound ♪

1522
01:07:39,365 --> 01:07:41,574
♪ And you won't stop
until you've found ♪

1523
01:07:41,712 --> 01:07:46,683
♪ Your own kind of way ♪

1524
01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:49,237
♪ And the wind will
whip your tousled hair ♪

1525
01:07:49,375 --> 01:07:52,206
♪ The sun, the rain,
the sweet despair ♪

1526
01:07:52,344 --> 01:07:57,383
♪ Great tales of
love and strife ♪

1527
01:07:57,521 --> 01:08:00,283
♪ And somewhere on
your path to glory ♪

1528
01:08:00,421 --> 01:08:04,494
♪ You will write your
story of a life ♪

1529
01:08:04,632 --> 01:08:05,529
- I have an agenda, I'm not--

1530
01:08:05,667 --> 01:08:07,117
- [Woman] What is your agenda?

1531
01:08:07,255 --> 01:08:09,119
- Well, I want to matter.

1532
01:08:09,257 --> 01:08:10,500
Every human being
wants to matter.

1533
01:08:10,638 --> 01:08:12,536
Gene McCarthy said it
brilliantly about football.

1534
01:08:12,674 --> 01:08:14,987
He said, you gotta be smart
enough to play the game

1535
01:08:15,125 --> 01:08:16,161
and dumb enough to
think it matters.

1536
01:08:16,299 --> 01:08:18,232
Well in terms of pop music,

1537
01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:20,475
I'm not quite dumb enough
to think it matters.

1538
01:08:20,613 --> 01:08:22,477
I'm just smart enough
to play the game.

1539
01:08:22,615 --> 01:08:24,134
So I put it in the context.

1540
01:08:24,272 --> 01:08:26,309
I'm a man who generates about
two and a half million dollars

1541
01:08:26,447 --> 01:08:27,482
every year, and I'm broke.

1542
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:29,001
I mean my net worth right now,

1543
01:08:29,139 --> 01:08:30,382
my accountant told me it's zero.

1544
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,592
It goes through me and I
feel that that's my security.

1545
01:08:33,730 --> 01:08:35,456
My security is to
be on the edge.

1546
01:08:35,594 --> 01:08:36,388
- What are you gonna do?

1547
01:08:36,526 --> 01:08:37,630
And what are you not gonna do?

1548
01:08:37,768 --> 01:08:39,563
And he had no idea.

1549
01:08:39,701 --> 01:08:42,048
You're traveling on the edge.

1550
01:08:42,187 --> 01:08:43,533
You know, you're always racing.

1551
01:08:43,671 --> 01:08:44,913
You're late.

1552
01:08:45,051 --> 01:08:47,295
You're traveling five times
as much as anybody else.

1553
01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:49,746
You're just upping the odds.

1554
01:08:49,884 --> 01:08:52,162
♪ And all the lips
you never kissed ♪

1555
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:57,340
♪ Cut through you like a knife ♪

1556
01:08:58,203 --> 01:09:00,757
♪ And now you see
stretched out before thee ♪

1557
01:09:00,895 --> 01:09:05,071
♪ Just another story of a life ♪

1558
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:07,039
- I would hate to
be 75 years old,

1559
01:09:07,177 --> 01:09:09,628
it's one of the
things that arms me,

1560
01:09:09,766 --> 01:09:11,802
and say, if only I
had, I wish I had,

1561
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:14,219
I wonder what my life meant.

1562
01:09:14,357 --> 01:09:17,222
My credo, which might
be interesting for

1563
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,190
is when in doubt, do something.

1564
01:09:20,328 --> 01:09:22,606
Because in the long run, we're
not sure about a prior life

1565
01:09:22,744 --> 01:09:23,711
or an afterlife.

1566
01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:24,988
We're all hoping for that.

1567
01:09:25,126 --> 01:09:27,266
But what we can do is
maximize what we have

1568
01:09:27,404 --> 01:09:30,304
in his brief flicker of
time, in the infinity,

1569
01:09:30,442 --> 01:09:32,651
and try to milk that.

1570
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:35,481
Let's say there was an
imaginary automobile company

1571
01:09:35,619 --> 01:09:37,242
that built automobiles,

1572
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:41,315
that when hit from
behind burst into flame.

1573
01:09:41,453 --> 01:09:43,109
Now nothing like that would
ever happened in the real world,

1574
01:09:43,248 --> 01:09:44,490
you know that.

1575
01:09:44,628 --> 01:09:46,768
- Ballad writer and singer
Harry Chapin died today

1576
01:09:46,906 --> 01:09:48,598
in a car crash in Long Island.

1577
01:09:48,736 --> 01:09:50,634
- [Reporter] His death came
suddenly in a fiery collision

1578
01:09:50,772 --> 01:09:53,258
with a tractor trailer truck
on a Long Island highway.

1579
01:09:53,396 --> 01:09:55,156
- [Woman] Harry was to have
given a concert last night

1580
01:09:55,294 --> 01:09:58,366
on Long Island, as usual,
it would have been free.

1581
01:09:58,504 --> 01:10:00,955
[somber music]

1582
01:10:08,445 --> 01:10:10,758
- In the insecurity that
we have about a prior life

1583
01:10:10,896 --> 01:10:12,863
or an afterlife with God,
I hope there is a God.

1584
01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,831
If he does exist, he's
got a rather weird

1585
01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:17,005
sense of humor, however.

1586
01:10:18,352 --> 01:10:20,285
But if there's a process
that will allow us

1587
01:10:20,423 --> 01:10:23,115
to live our days, that
will allow us that degree

1588
01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:25,393
of equanimity towards the end,

1589
01:10:25,531 --> 01:10:28,431
looking at that black
implacable wall of death,

1590
01:10:28,569 --> 01:10:30,364
to allow us that
degree of peace,

1591
01:10:30,502 --> 01:10:33,401
that degree of
non-fear, I want in.

1592
01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:38,820
♪ Hello, honey, it's me ♪

1593
01:10:38,958 --> 01:10:43,963
♪ What did you think when you
heard me back on the radio ♪

1594
01:10:46,449 --> 01:10:47,795
♪ What did the kids think ♪

1595
01:10:47,933 --> 01:10:52,351
♪ When they found it was
their long-lost daddy-o ♪

1596
01:10:52,489 --> 01:10:53,697
- I lived in a loft right below

1597
01:10:53,835 --> 01:10:56,597
with management loft
was Jeb and Bob Hinkle.

1598
01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:58,184
And there was a new
secretary and she comes down

1599
01:10:58,323 --> 01:10:59,324
and knocks on the door.

1600
01:10:59,462 --> 01:11:00,601
And Jeb and Bob are
waiting for Harry

1601
01:11:00,739 --> 01:11:03,466
in the city here to
talk about booking

1602
01:11:03,604 --> 01:11:06,192
and try to convince him
not to do so many benefits.

1603
01:11:06,331 --> 01:11:10,266
- On July 15th, the day
before Harry was killed,

1604
01:11:10,404 --> 01:11:14,270
there was a meeting scheduled
at ICM with the great agent,

1605
01:11:14,408 --> 01:11:18,515
Shelley Schultz, who ran
the department for ICM.

1606
01:11:18,653 --> 01:11:22,933
And this was a meeting to
really go over some specifics

1607
01:11:23,071 --> 01:11:26,178
about how we have to,
it's like a come to Jesus.

1608
01:11:26,316 --> 01:11:28,422
We've really got to
focus on the career.

1609
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,596
What we're doing here
is diminishing returns.

1610
01:11:30,734 --> 01:11:31,839
You're hurting yourself.

1611
01:11:31,977 --> 01:11:34,290
And it was to try to
come up with an agreement

1612
01:11:34,428 --> 01:11:37,293
that would help Harry,
A, help his career,

1613
01:11:37,431 --> 01:11:41,538
and help him make more
money for the charities.

1614
01:11:41,676 --> 01:11:45,404
♪ Wherever you may be. ♪

1615
01:11:45,542 --> 01:11:47,889
And on July 15th, Harry
didn't show for that meeting.

1616
01:11:48,027 --> 01:11:49,235
I was really pissed.

1617
01:11:49,374 --> 01:11:51,962
I think I even called my mother.

1618
01:11:55,069 --> 01:11:57,554
So the next day it
was rescheduled.

1619
01:11:57,692 --> 01:11:58,900
So he said, I'll come tomorrow,

1620
01:11:59,038 --> 01:12:00,212
I'm sorry, I'll
just do it tomorrow.

1621
01:12:00,350 --> 01:12:02,248
So we scheduled it
for the next day.

1622
01:12:02,387 --> 01:12:03,629
When we were at the
meeting the next day,

1623
01:12:03,767 --> 01:12:07,357
and the time started to
pass and Harry wasn't there,

1624
01:12:07,495 --> 01:12:10,602
I did kind of have
a little bad feeling

1625
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:12,535
because I had made
such a big stink,

1626
01:12:12,673 --> 01:12:14,640
Harry had been so
sheepish about it,

1627
01:12:14,778 --> 01:12:15,952
and we had set it up.

1628
01:12:16,090 --> 01:12:18,748
I just couldn't imagine
him not showing for that.

1629
01:12:18,886 --> 01:12:20,577
- I got on the phone
and it was a cop.

1630
01:12:20,715 --> 01:12:25,651
And he says, what relation
are you to the deceased?

1631
01:12:25,789 --> 01:12:27,515
And I go, what?

1632
01:12:27,653 --> 01:12:31,726
He says, and turns out someone
had died on the expressway.

1633
01:12:31,864 --> 01:12:34,557
And they didn't know who it was,

1634
01:12:35,661 --> 01:12:37,422
because his wallet
had burned up.

1635
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,356
He was rear ended
on the expressway

1636
01:12:40,494 --> 01:12:43,980
and died principally
because that the seatbelt

1637
01:12:44,118 --> 01:12:45,637
that was in the
Volkswagen Rabbit

1638
01:12:45,775 --> 01:12:47,708
was really a one-point seatbelt,

1639
01:12:47,846 --> 01:12:50,400
over the top of the shoulder.

1640
01:12:50,538 --> 01:12:52,747
It wasn't across his waist.

1641
01:12:52,885 --> 01:12:55,543
The driver got, busted
the window, cut his thing,

1642
01:12:55,681 --> 01:12:56,544
pulled him out.

1643
01:12:56,682 --> 01:12:58,339
So he was partly
burned his hands.

1644
01:12:58,477 --> 01:13:00,962
The way I recognized him
was that he had a watch,

1645
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:02,481
a pocket watch on him.

1646
01:13:02,619 --> 01:13:04,794
It said from Michael Moore.

1647
01:13:05,795 --> 01:13:07,452
Harry had done benefits.

1648
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:11,421
I told Michael Moore this
recently, he went, oh my gosh.

1649
01:13:11,559 --> 01:13:13,492
Harry had done three or four
benefits for Michael Moore

1650
01:13:13,630 --> 01:13:15,287
to start the Flint Voice

1651
01:13:15,425 --> 01:13:17,047
and then the Michigan
Voice early on.

1652
01:13:17,185 --> 01:13:19,533
As Michael Moore says, no
Harry, no Michael Moore.

1653
01:13:19,671 --> 01:13:22,570
- He was such a generous
individual, giving.

1654
01:13:22,708 --> 01:13:26,954
He didn't know me from
Adam, and he said, sure,

1655
01:13:27,092 --> 01:13:28,818
I'll come to Flint
and help you out.

1656
01:13:28,956 --> 01:13:31,337
And they gave him a watch that
said, from the Flint Voice

1657
01:13:31,476 --> 01:13:34,824
to a great American, or
something, Harry Chapin

1658
01:13:34,962 --> 01:13:36,377
from Michael Moore.

1659
01:13:36,515 --> 01:13:37,827
And I said, dad, that's Harry.

1660
01:13:37,965 --> 01:13:39,553
That's the Michael Moore watch.

1661
01:13:39,691 --> 01:13:41,417
- I was in a meeting with
the city at the time.

1662
01:13:41,555 --> 01:13:43,315
And I got a call from Tom.

1663
01:13:43,453 --> 01:13:45,351
The fact he's getting
through means it's bad.

1664
01:13:45,490 --> 01:13:46,836
Because it was a big,
big deal meeting,

1665
01:13:46,974 --> 01:13:48,665
had like, top guys
from the city.

1666
01:13:48,803 --> 01:13:52,289
I said, Tom, it's Harry
I says, is it bad?

1667
01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:53,014
He says yes, it's real bad.

1668
01:13:53,152 --> 01:13:53,981
I said, is he dead?

1669
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:55,431
He says, Yeah, he's dead.

1670
01:13:55,569 --> 01:14:00,505
♪ When I look up,
what should I see ♪

1671
01:14:02,852 --> 01:14:06,959
♪ Moon burning, stars shining ♪

1672
01:14:07,097 --> 01:14:09,479
♪ Sweet silver light on me ♪

1673
01:14:09,617 --> 01:14:11,308
- I could have been in that car.

1674
01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:14,070
I've thought about
this many times.

1675
01:14:14,208 --> 01:14:16,866
And in a way my
wife saved my life

1676
01:14:17,004 --> 01:14:18,695
because she asked me to
go up to Massachusetts

1677
01:14:18,833 --> 01:14:21,111
to visit her cousin.

1678
01:14:21,249 --> 01:14:22,941
So I said to Harry,
I can't make this.

1679
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:25,875
- We had been in Hawaii for
one of our family vacations

1680
01:14:26,013 --> 01:14:26,979
for two weeks.

1681
01:14:27,117 --> 01:14:28,602
And the rest of the
family flew back.

1682
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:30,638
I stayed because I
had friends in Hawaii

1683
01:14:30,776 --> 01:14:34,435
and I was expected to
come back, I don't know,

1684
01:14:34,573 --> 01:14:35,954
about a week later or something.

1685
01:14:36,092 --> 01:14:39,371
And I had called the house and
no one wanted to talk to me.

1686
01:14:39,509 --> 01:14:41,787
They said they would call me
back, which I thought was odd.

1687
01:14:41,925 --> 01:14:43,824
- I remember a
conversation between him

1688
01:14:43,962 --> 01:14:46,033
and my mom when he was
leaving that morning.

1689
01:14:46,171 --> 01:14:47,966
And there was a question

1690
01:14:48,104 --> 01:14:49,243
as to whether I was
gonna go with him.

1691
01:14:49,381 --> 01:14:51,452
Which is one of those
crazy sorta, you know,

1692
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:53,558
I missed the plane that
crashed or whatever.

1693
01:14:53,696 --> 01:14:57,078
But so I feel like
that's part of my memory

1694
01:14:57,216 --> 01:15:00,012
is that I was sort
of kind of excited

1695
01:15:00,150 --> 01:15:02,463
and like, Oh, I'm gonna have
to spend the day with my dad.

1696
01:15:02,601 --> 01:15:04,603
And it was just sorta like,
no, it doesn't make sense,

1697
01:15:04,741 --> 01:15:06,571
you'll see him later.

1698
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:10,782
♪ Tell me why you're
crying my son ♪

1699
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,786
♪ I know you're
frightened like everyone ♪

1700
01:15:14,924 --> 01:15:16,960
- I was on the beach,
so I had no idea.

1701
01:15:17,098 --> 01:15:20,826
I remember it was dark
by the time we got back.

1702
01:15:20,964 --> 01:15:24,002
Our friend came out to
the car and she said,

1703
01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:26,004
did you hear what happened?

1704
01:15:26,142 --> 01:15:30,180
It's a horrible thing, Harry
Chapin died on the expressway.

1705
01:15:30,318 --> 01:15:32,113
And she didn't know
I was in the car.

1706
01:15:32,251 --> 01:15:34,288
So that's how I heard it.

1707
01:15:35,323 --> 01:15:39,776
♪ And if you take
my hand my son ♪

1708
01:15:39,914 --> 01:15:44,022
♪ All will be well
when the day is done ♪

1709
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:48,854
♪ And if you take
my hand my son ♪

1710
01:15:48,992 --> 01:15:53,997
♪ All will be well
when the day is done ♪

1711
01:15:54,135 --> 01:15:55,999
- I was home on long Island

1712
01:15:56,137 --> 01:15:57,898
and there were all
these different stories.

1713
01:15:58,036 --> 01:15:59,969
Oh, this happened,
or it was a crash

1714
01:16:00,107 --> 01:16:01,177
or it was a this or it was that.

1715
01:16:01,315 --> 01:16:03,524
It was just totally unexpected.

1716
01:16:03,662 --> 01:16:07,459
Because he was, he
was such a vital guy.

1717
01:16:07,597 --> 01:16:09,565
He was so alive, Harry.

1718
01:16:09,703 --> 01:16:12,464
You just can't
imagine him the sick

1719
01:16:12,602 --> 01:16:14,466
or something like
that happening to him.

1720
01:16:14,604 --> 01:16:16,019
It's just, no, that
wouldn't happen to Harry.

1721
01:16:16,157 --> 01:16:17,089
It wouldn't happen to him.

1722
01:16:17,227 --> 01:16:18,643
And it did.

1723
01:16:18,781 --> 01:16:21,577
- We were in New York, Spyder
and I, and in my apartment.

1724
01:16:21,715 --> 01:16:23,130
And I had WNEW on.

1725
01:16:26,651 --> 01:16:30,068
And I don't even know what was
playing before or whatever,

1726
01:16:30,206 --> 01:16:32,726
but it was like a news flash.

1727
01:16:33,727 --> 01:16:34,900
We were in shock.

1728
01:16:35,038 --> 01:16:36,626
I mean, there was no
other thing to say.

1729
01:16:36,764 --> 01:16:40,009
And then just the
supreme sadness of it.

1730
01:16:41,217 --> 01:16:45,324
Of knowing that that light
had gone out, you know,

1731
01:16:46,325 --> 01:16:48,742
just, it was hurtful.

1732
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:49,570
- I remember crying.

1733
01:16:49,708 --> 01:16:51,710
I cried a lot, you know.

1734
01:16:55,024 --> 01:16:57,164
And my first instinct is
what my first instinct

1735
01:16:57,302 --> 01:17:01,237
has been before that and
since then, it's not fair.

1736
01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:04,205
This is the last guy
you'd expect to die young.

1737
01:17:04,343 --> 01:17:06,380
Absolutely the last guy.

1738
01:17:08,796 --> 01:17:13,042
- I maybe wondered whether
there was a God up there.

1739
01:17:14,043 --> 01:17:15,251
- When Harry died, I considered

1740
01:17:15,389 --> 01:17:16,839
it the biggest loss of my life.

1741
01:17:16,977 --> 01:17:19,151
- And the universe cracked.

1742
01:17:20,221 --> 01:17:24,536
♪ Oh, well I wonder ♪

1743
01:17:24,674 --> 01:17:29,645
♪ Yes I wonder ♪

1744
01:17:31,163 --> 01:17:35,167
♪ What would happen ♪

1745
01:17:35,305 --> 01:17:40,310
♪ What would happen
to this world ♪

1746
01:17:41,346 --> 01:17:46,351
♪ Well I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪

1747
01:17:55,153 --> 01:17:57,776
- My name is Bill Ayers, and
if I can hold myself together

1748
01:17:57,914 --> 01:17:59,916
for the next couple hours here,

1749
01:18:00,054 --> 01:18:02,263
I'm supposed to lead us
through this memorial service

1750
01:18:02,401 --> 01:18:04,749
for our friend and
brother Harry Chapin.

1751
01:18:04,887 --> 01:18:07,096
- I'll never see,
never think of Harry

1752
01:18:07,234 --> 01:18:09,892
without big grin on
his face in a hurry,

1753
01:18:10,030 --> 01:18:13,309
arriving just in
time to go on stage

1754
01:18:13,447 --> 01:18:16,312
and dashing off right
afterwards because he had

1755
01:18:16,450 --> 01:18:18,038
to be somewhere
else an hour later.

1756
01:18:18,176 --> 01:18:23,181
♪ One man's hands, can't
tear a prison down ♪

1757
01:18:24,078 --> 01:18:29,049
♪ Two man's hands, can't
tear a prison down ♪

1758
01:18:30,257 --> 01:18:34,295
♪ But if two and two
and 50 make a million ♪

1759
01:18:34,433 --> 01:18:37,022
♪ We'll see that
day come round ♪

1760
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,717
♪ We'll see that
day come round ♪

1761
01:18:41,855 --> 01:18:45,341
- Now Harry's wonderful,
and very loving wife, Sandy,

1762
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,343
came up with the idea

1763
01:18:48,275 --> 01:18:49,966
of a Presidential
Commission, World Hunger.

1764
01:18:50,104 --> 01:18:52,141
She gave the formidable
task to Harry.

1765
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:53,798
I could have told
her it was impossible

1766
01:18:53,936 --> 01:18:57,767
if she'd ever asked me,
but Sandy knew better.

1767
01:18:59,148 --> 01:19:01,598
And all of us in Washington
told Harry that the President's

1768
01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:02,910
opposed to any more commissions.

1769
01:19:03,048 --> 01:19:04,291
It'd be impossible.

1770
01:19:04,429 --> 01:19:05,982
There were logistical,
there were partisan reasons.

1771
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,019
There were all these reasons
why it couldn't be done.

1772
01:19:08,157 --> 01:19:10,331
Harry said, that's nice, and
now here's how we're going

1773
01:19:10,469 --> 01:19:12,333
to go about doing it.

1774
01:19:15,405 --> 01:19:20,410
♪ Now we were the kids
that made America famous ♪

1775
01:19:21,895 --> 01:19:23,206
♪ We were the kind of kids ♪

1776
01:19:23,344 --> 01:19:27,383
♪ That long since drove
our parents to despair. ♪

1777
01:19:27,521 --> 01:19:29,765
- I think we're also both
believers in the udge factor,

1778
01:19:29,903 --> 01:19:32,802
which is the combination
of all those little things

1779
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:34,079
that people do in
many different areas

1780
01:19:34,217 --> 01:19:36,081
that end up by making
a great big udge

1781
01:19:36,219 --> 01:19:38,359
that tends to move things.

1782
01:19:38,497 --> 01:19:42,329
♪ And trying not to care. ♪

1783
01:19:42,467 --> 01:19:45,953
- Door is open, we're ushered
in to see the precedent.

1784
01:19:46,091 --> 01:19:50,337
Even at that meeting, even
after Harry beat him down

1785
01:19:51,407 --> 01:19:53,961
and President Carter
agreed to go along

1786
01:19:54,099 --> 01:19:57,793
with the World Hunger
Commission, Harry wouldn't stop.

1787
01:19:57,931 --> 01:19:59,449
He continued to hammer
into the president

1788
01:19:59,587 --> 01:20:01,935
the reasons why we
had to have this.

1789
01:20:02,073 --> 01:20:05,076
The president sat there, he
said, tried to say, you know,

1790
01:20:05,214 --> 01:20:07,906
I've agreed with you,
I've agreed with you.

1791
01:20:08,044 --> 01:20:09,114
He did agree.

1792
01:20:11,220 --> 01:20:13,360
Harry wasn't gonna
let him off that easy.

1793
01:20:13,498 --> 01:20:15,880
Not just by agreeing.

1794
01:20:16,018 --> 01:20:21,023
He wanted not only to agree,
he wanted him to be committed,

1795
01:20:21,402 --> 01:20:23,922
wanted to be committed.

1796
01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:27,374
Now that's the difference
between Harry Chapin

1797
01:20:27,512 --> 01:20:32,379
and those who simply give
lip service to our cause.

1798
01:20:32,517 --> 01:20:37,522
♪ We all live the life
that made America famous ♪

1799
01:20:38,626 --> 01:20:43,631
♪ The cops would make a point
to shadow us around our town ♪

1800
01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:46,876
- Tom, I think, once said
that being brother to Harry

1801
01:20:47,014 --> 01:20:48,913
was like being brother
to a steam engine.

1802
01:20:49,051 --> 01:20:50,224
And there's some truth to that,
I mean, that's what he was.

1803
01:20:50,362 --> 01:20:52,502
He was a source of energy,
you know, in a world,

1804
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,815
unfortunately, that's
all too short of energy.

1805
01:20:54,953 --> 01:20:58,198
♪ It makes a body proud ♪

1806
01:21:00,994 --> 01:21:04,342
- And this is a song
from his last album,

1807
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:09,381
which I thought was one
of the best he ever wrote.

1808
01:21:15,422 --> 01:21:18,287
♪ Remember when the music ♪

1809
01:21:18,425 --> 01:21:23,430
♪ Came from wooden boxes
strung with silver wire ♪

1810
01:21:24,534 --> 01:21:29,505
♪ And as we sang the words, it
would set our minds on fire, ♪

1811
01:21:30,299 --> 01:21:35,338
♪ For we believed in
things, and so we'd sing. ♪

1812
01:21:36,339 --> 01:21:38,894
♪ Remember when the music ♪

1813
01:21:39,032 --> 01:21:44,071
♪ Was the best of
what we dreamed of for

1814
01:21:45,210 --> 01:21:50,215
♪ And as we sang we worked,
for time was just a line ♪

1815
01:21:50,698 --> 01:21:55,565
♪ A gift we saved, a
gift the future gave ♪

1816
01:21:57,291 --> 01:22:00,916
- Harry had a good
insight about how people

1817
01:22:01,054 --> 01:22:05,472
should be treated, that
everybody deserves compassion.

1818
01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:11,098
- Harry really didn't care
about doing any of these things

1819
01:22:11,236 --> 01:22:12,617
to get to heaven.

1820
01:22:12,755 --> 01:22:15,551
He always figured, that would
sort of take care of itself.

1821
01:22:15,689 --> 01:22:19,175
He was doing things
because of this life.

1822
01:22:19,313 --> 01:22:22,938
♪ Or we had dreams to keep ♪

1823
01:22:30,704 --> 01:22:33,120
- I had dreams about Harry.

1824
01:22:34,052 --> 01:22:39,092
♪ Well, I dreamed I saw you
at the end of the rainbow ♪

1825
01:22:40,196 --> 01:22:45,201
♪ Years behind a young boy
started a journey to the sun. ♪

1826
01:22:45,512 --> 01:22:47,169
- Well, all of us have
had dreams about Harry,

1827
01:22:47,307 --> 01:22:48,377
I think that close to him.

1828
01:22:48,515 --> 01:22:49,999
This is one I had.

1829
01:22:50,137 --> 01:22:53,002
So I call this the
very best place to be.

1830
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:57,248
In my dreams, I saw him,
alive and well once more.

1831
01:22:59,422 --> 01:23:02,632
He was ready to greet me
on a far distant shore.

1832
01:23:02,770 --> 01:23:04,496
His smile lit up
like the morning sun

1833
01:23:04,634 --> 01:23:06,982
and I could feel my spirit soar.

1834
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,914
And he said, welcome my brother

1835
01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:12,194
to the treasures
we have in store.

1836
01:23:12,332 --> 01:23:17,337
♪ Watch the circle,
life is like that ♪

1837
01:23:19,718 --> 01:23:24,240
♪ Turn around and
you might be alone ♪

1838
01:23:26,242 --> 01:23:29,452
- I really got involved
in the issues of hunger

1839
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:31,592
and homelessness due to Harry.

1840
01:23:31,730 --> 01:23:36,425
♪ We are the world,
we are the children ♪

1841
01:23:37,702 --> 01:23:42,672
Literally felt, physically felt
Harry Chapin crawl inside me

1842
01:23:43,846 --> 01:23:45,675
and I felt he was
orchestrating everything.

1843
01:23:45,813 --> 01:23:50,853
♪ There's a choice we're making,
we're saving our own lives ♪

1844
01:23:51,405 --> 01:23:56,376
♪ It's true we make a better
day, just you and me ♪

1845
01:23:57,584 --> 01:23:59,379
Harry was truly the inspiration

1846
01:23:59,517 --> 01:24:01,933
for all the good works
I did since his death.

1847
01:24:02,071 --> 01:24:04,384
Things like we are the
world and the song,

1848
01:24:04,522 --> 01:24:07,525
and which is still going
strong to this day.

1849
01:24:07,663 --> 01:24:10,148
And hand across America, five
and a half million people

1850
01:24:10,286 --> 01:24:14,118
holding hands in one continuous
line from New York to LA

1851
01:24:14,256 --> 01:24:16,396
all for the purpose
of raising awareness

1852
01:24:16,534 --> 01:24:19,502
about hunger and
homelessness in America.

1853
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,402
Inspired greatly by Harry
Chapin and his beliefs.

1854
01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:25,474
- Harry Chapin died
five years ago.

1855
01:24:27,303 --> 01:24:30,513
It was a cruel death
and a great loss.

1856
01:24:30,651 --> 01:24:35,622
But he'd thrown a pebble into
a pond and I saw the ripples.

1857
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,422
Reached Geldoff, reached
me, reached Willie Nelson,

1858
01:24:43,526 --> 01:24:46,219
reached millions of
people around the world.

1859
01:24:46,357 --> 01:24:48,669
When Harry Belafonte called me,

1860
01:24:48,807 --> 01:24:52,397
I was exactly in the frame of
mind to build a lobby further

1861
01:24:52,535 --> 01:24:54,399
for USA for Africa.

1862
01:24:54,537 --> 01:24:58,576
Once we have those two,
we could extend this idea

1863
01:24:59,715 --> 01:25:01,889
to the planet, so Live Aid.

1864
01:25:04,892 --> 01:25:07,309
- Guys like Harry was
very inspirational

1865
01:25:07,447 --> 01:25:10,657
to what the whole purpose
of hip hop was for.

1866
01:25:10,795 --> 01:25:14,730
To get off your butt and do
something about the conditions.

1867
01:25:14,868 --> 01:25:19,010
- [Harry] Welcome in, welcome
in to the lost and forsaken.

1868
01:25:19,148 --> 01:25:23,670
This is a better place to be,
the very best place to be.

1869
01:25:24,567 --> 01:25:27,674
♪ Life is like that ♪

1870
01:25:27,812 --> 01:25:32,334
♪ Turn around and
you might be alone ♪

1871
01:25:34,888 --> 01:25:38,995
- An incredibly generous
older brother, you know.

1872
01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:40,549
He was, as he was as a man.

1873
01:25:40,687 --> 01:25:43,448
So you got me
emotional now. [laughs]

1874
01:25:43,586 --> 01:25:46,727
- He really wanted to change
the world, and he did.

1875
01:25:46,865 --> 01:25:48,522
- Harry Chapman was posthumously

1876
01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:51,629
given the highest civilian
honor the United States

1877
01:25:51,767 --> 01:25:55,805
can bestow, the special
Congressional Gold Medal

1878
01:25:55,943 --> 01:25:58,670
was awarded a Harry for
his devotion to the issue

1879
01:25:58,808 --> 01:26:01,501
of hunger around the world.

1880
01:26:01,639 --> 01:26:06,471
This medal has been given by
Congress to only 114 citizens

1881
01:26:06,609 --> 01:26:10,095
in the more than 200 years
since the country was founded.

1882
01:26:10,234 --> 01:26:13,823
Only four other songwriters
have received the medal.

1883
01:26:13,961 --> 01:26:18,276
George and Ira Gershwin, George
M. Cohan, and Irving Berlin.

1884
01:26:18,414 --> 01:26:21,417
Other recipients include
George Washington,

1885
01:26:21,555 --> 01:26:26,181
Robert F. Kennedy, Thomas
Edison, and now Harry Chapin.

1886
01:26:38,434 --> 01:26:42,162
- [Josh] Oh if a man tried
to take his time on earth

1887
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:45,372
and prove before he
died, what one man's life

1888
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,308
could be worth, I wonder what
would happen to this world?

1889
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,865
- COVID-19 is brought
out the best in people.

1890
01:26:56,003 --> 01:26:58,213
We can't forget
that 40 years ago,

1891
01:26:58,351 --> 01:27:00,215
there was one person
and one person only

1892
01:27:00,353 --> 01:27:03,252
who spoke about the
issue of food insecurity

1893
01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:04,598
and hunger in this country.

1894
01:27:04,736 --> 01:27:08,844
♪ Oh well I wonder,
yes I wonder ♪

1895
01:27:09,707 --> 01:27:14,125
And if Harry were alive
today, what would he be doing?

1896
01:27:14,263 --> 01:27:16,679
He would be doing exactly
what he did 40 years ago,

1897
01:27:16,817 --> 01:27:19,855
and that's speaking out
and creating a response.

1898
01:27:19,993 --> 01:27:21,857
He saw hunger as a
shame of America,

1899
01:27:21,995 --> 01:27:23,617
and he did something about it

1900
01:27:23,755 --> 01:27:27,172
by establishing Long Island
Cares and Why Hunger.

1901
01:27:27,311 --> 01:27:28,691
How grateful should
we be as a nation

1902
01:27:28,829 --> 01:27:30,590
that's 40 years after he's gone,

1903
01:27:30,728 --> 01:27:34,732
this man's legacy continues
stronger than ever?

1904
01:27:39,323 --> 01:27:42,222
- [Noreen] We certainly have
helped millions of people,

1905
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,845
hundreds of thousands
of kids in the summer,

1906
01:27:44,983 --> 01:27:46,537
every year annually.

1907
01:27:46,675 --> 01:27:50,403
We help hundreds of
thousands of callers

1908
01:27:50,541 --> 01:27:52,405
that reach out to our hotline.

1909
01:27:52,543 --> 01:27:54,372
And through our
direct partnerships

1910
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:58,618
with grassroots organizations
who are feeding people,

1911
01:27:58,756 --> 01:28:02,449
serving food, we have been
able to build their capacity

1912
01:28:02,587 --> 01:28:04,831
to serve millions of people.

1913
01:28:04,969 --> 01:28:07,143
♪ I wonder, yes I wonder ♪

1914
01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,456
♪ Yes I wonder, yes I wonder ♪

1915
01:28:09,594 --> 01:28:11,596
♪ What would happen,
what would happen ♪

1916
01:28:11,734 --> 01:28:14,599
♪ What would happen
to this world ♪

1917
01:28:14,737 --> 01:28:19,673
♪ Well I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪

1918
01:28:19,811 --> 01:28:22,400
- [Paule] We take care of
people's fundamental wellbeing.

1919
01:28:22,538 --> 01:28:25,369
We don't ask questions
about income.

1920
01:28:25,507 --> 01:28:28,337
We don't ask questions
about immigration status.

1921
01:28:28,475 --> 01:28:30,684
We don't ask about
people's resources.

1922
01:28:30,822 --> 01:28:34,378
All we know is that
people are struggling.

1923
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:41,212
- Yes, I'm hopeful.

1924
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:44,526
I'm out there each and
every day trying to bring

1925
01:28:44,664 --> 01:28:48,564
to the conversation of why
is there hunger and poverty?

1926
01:28:48,702 --> 01:28:51,636
And I think both Bill
and Harry would be happy

1927
01:28:51,774 --> 01:28:53,983
to the fact to see that the
organization, Why Hunger,

1928
01:28:54,121 --> 01:28:57,987
has not only tackled
that question locally,

1929
01:28:58,125 --> 01:29:01,474
but has really tackled
that question globally.

1930
01:29:01,612 --> 01:29:03,717
♪ Do we join the parade ♪

1931
01:29:03,855 --> 01:29:05,719
♪ Or do we try and turn around ♪

1932
01:29:05,857 --> 01:29:10,897
♪ Well, I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪

1933
01:29:11,069 --> 01:29:15,557
- First, they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,

1934
01:29:15,695 --> 01:29:18,560
then they fight
you, then you win.

1935
01:29:23,358 --> 01:29:24,393
He few things right.

1936
01:29:24,531 --> 01:29:26,740
- But I think Harry
instinctively knew

1937
01:29:26,878 --> 01:29:29,985
that it was gonna take a lot
more than just love to survive,

1938
01:29:30,123 --> 01:29:33,506
that it was gonna take a
strong sense of purpose,

1939
01:29:33,644 --> 01:29:38,614
a duty, and a good clear eye
on the dirty ways of the world.

1940
01:29:42,791 --> 01:29:46,139
And so in keeping his
promise to himself,

1941
01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:50,626
he reminds us of our
promise to ourselves.

1942
01:29:50,764 --> 01:29:53,664
And then tonight,
alongside Harry,

1943
01:29:55,528 --> 01:30:00,015
it's that promise that his
spirit would have us remember

1944
01:30:02,431 --> 01:30:04,191
and honor and recommit,

1945
01:30:06,573 --> 01:30:07,850
so do something.

1946
01:30:09,714 --> 01:30:12,476
And may his song be song.

1947
01:30:12,614 --> 01:30:15,651
[audience clapping]

1948
01:30:15,789 --> 01:30:17,895
♪ Remember when the music ♪

1949
01:30:18,033 --> 01:30:23,072
♪ Was a glow on the
horizon of a newborn day ♪

1950
01:30:23,763 --> 01:30:28,768
♪ And as we sang, the sun come
up and chase the dark away ♪

1951
01:30:29,665 --> 01:30:34,670
♪ And life was good,
for we knew we could ♪

1952
01:30:34,946 --> 01:30:37,293
- Life is not a neat entity.

1953
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,641
It's a Grade C movie.

1954
01:30:39,779 --> 01:30:40,814
It's not a Grade a movie

1955
01:30:40,952 --> 01:30:42,851
where everything
neatly fits into place.

1956
01:30:42,989 --> 01:30:44,335
It's sloppy.

1957
01:30:44,473 --> 01:30:47,856
But the final analysis it's
terribly, terribly exciting

1958
01:30:47,994 --> 01:30:50,652
and to, in a sense,
immerse yourself into it

1959
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:55,070
and all those complexities
rather than hide from it.

1960
01:30:58,936 --> 01:31:01,939
[harmonica wailing]

1961
01:31:09,084 --> 01:31:12,087
[audience cheering]

1962
01:31:15,918 --> 01:31:17,541
I believe in believers.

1963
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:20,371
At a time when there's
gigantic questions,

1964
01:31:20,509 --> 01:31:21,890
engagement is the answer.

1965
01:31:22,028 --> 01:31:23,685
I love, however, when
you find some kind

1966
01:31:23,823 --> 01:31:26,826
of perverse patterns, and
that's what circles to me are.

1967
01:31:26,964 --> 01:31:29,104
Hey, Tom Chapin,
come on out here

1968
01:31:29,242 --> 01:31:32,452
and help us do
something, come on.

1969
01:31:32,590 --> 01:31:35,731
I wrote this thing
for you, here we go.

1970
01:31:38,872 --> 01:31:41,944
- [Sandy] Everybody learning
and growing and sharing

1971
01:31:42,082 --> 01:31:45,500
and moving, because
otherwise it's a dead end.

1972
01:31:45,638 --> 01:31:48,779
♪ All my life's a circle ♪

1973
01:31:48,917 --> 01:31:52,127
♪ Sunrise and sundown ♪

1974
01:31:52,265 --> 01:31:55,475
♪ The moon rolls
through the nighttime ♪

1975
01:31:55,613 --> 01:31:59,030
♪ 'Til the daybreak
comes around ♪

1976
01:31:59,168 --> 01:32:03,000
♪ All my life's a circle ♪

1977
01:32:03,138 --> 01:32:06,590
♪ But I can't tell you why ♪

1978
01:32:06,728 --> 01:32:09,662
♪ Season's spinning
round again ♪

1979
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:14,839
♪ The years keep rollin' by ♪

1980
01:32:15,564 --> 01:32:18,705
♪ It seems like I've
been here before ♪

1981
01:32:18,843 --> 01:32:22,502
♪ And I sure remember when ♪

1982
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,919
♪ And I got this funny feeling ♪

1983
01:32:26,057 --> 01:32:29,647
♪ That we'll all
get together again ♪

1984
01:32:29,785 --> 01:32:32,098
♪ And again, and again,
and again, and again ♪

1985
01:32:32,236 --> 01:32:34,169
- [Woman] Think you've
really made a difference.

1986
01:32:34,307 --> 01:32:36,723
- I don't know, but I've been
involved with the good people

1987
01:32:36,861 --> 01:32:40,796
with alive hearts, alive
heads, and alive acts.

1988
01:32:46,595 --> 01:32:50,426
♪ All my life's a circle ♪

1989
01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:54,016
♪ But I can't tell you why ♪

1990
01:32:54,154 --> 01:32:57,917
♪ Season's spinning
round again ♪

1991
01:32:58,055 --> 01:33:02,231
♪ The years keep rollin' by ♪

1992
01:33:02,369 --> 01:33:05,787
- I miss him, and I
miss what he missed.

1993
01:33:07,685 --> 01:33:08,893
Here we are talking about him.

1994
01:33:09,031 --> 01:33:11,516
Harry, you're still here, baby.

1995
01:33:11,655 --> 01:33:15,106
- Let's put your hands together
and have a great big ending!

1996
01:33:15,244 --> 01:33:19,628
♪ And the years
keep on rollin' by ♪

1997
01:33:33,918 --> 01:33:36,024
- [Harry] You guys
are outrageous.

1998
01:33:36,162 --> 01:33:39,579
Steve Chapin, Big John
Wallace, Howard Fields,

1999
01:33:39,717 --> 01:33:42,858
Doug Walker, Yvonne
Cable, Tom Chapin.



